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Barney

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Here’s a breakdown of the last few seasons:

2016/2017

In Wilder’s first season fans were told he was to work with a ‘reduced budget’. Many will remember that quote. Even the best can struggle if the budget isn’t right, yet we chose to add additional risk and not provide a top 2 budget to make absolutely sure of promotion. Thanks to Wilder, it clearly ended up not being a problem. The point however, is that the club could not foresee this and to have had so much riding on managerial ability was unnecessarily risky.

2017/2018

We had an active January window, which I praised at the time. Overall though, spendings on incomings did not appear to come close to the money received, which due to the Walker and Maguire sell on fees was if I’m not mistaken widely accepted to be in the region of £7m.

2018/2019

Although we’ve not yet come to the end of the summer transfer window, as of now we’ve sold Brooks for £12-15m and brought in the following:

Egan - £4.5m (or thereabouts)
Henderson - Loan
Woodburn - Loan
McGoldrick - Free
Bryan - Free

So that’s £7.5-10.5m left and that’s just the Brooks money, without taking in to account whatever we were prepared to spend in the first place. Despite the summer transfer window having not yet closed, I don’t hold out much hope that enough of this will be spent.

Two major points:

1 - We sell our best players too soon. Yes, on the occasion it is right to allow a player to fulfil ambitions of playing in the premier league. One thing for certain is that the way teams get to the premier league in the first place is by keeping hold of players capable of helping them get there. The interests of the club matter more than the career of one player.

2 - When we do sell our best players, or receive sell on money, what we spend in terms of incomings never seems to get close enough to that which is coming in for outgoings. This clearly suggests that the left over may be going on covering losses. In that instance, naturally it means less investment on the whole as not only is money received being used to cover the budget, but also some losses.

If indeed this is the case, windfalls should not be used to decrease what is needed in terms of the pre-agreed monetary input for both losses and transfer budget. It’s extra, unexpected money that in my opinion, ought to be put straight into transfer incomings while investments on both losses and the original budget should remain as planned prior to the player sale/sell on.

Sadly, I can’t see any improvements in these areas, especially given the legal battle presumably still ongoing. The only hope is that Wilder can turn things round in a similar fashion to how he did after a few bad results in his first season. He isn’t beyond criticism though and his decision making has been off for both games now.

Most of the players have also had a couple of awful games, but that’s going to happen when the real problem from higher up means that the players we have are probably nowhere near the quality that Wilder wants.
 



There's a lot in that.

However, I'd also argue that we've failed to invest in a decent scouting network, which has meant that Wilder has had to rely on shopping in a small store looking for bargains.The club has not structured itself in a way which would allow it to be successful at this level.Instead Kev spent millions pissing around with partnership agreements with clubs around the world which benefited the football team in no way.
 
There is no point in selling any player for £15 million etc then not investing the majority of that money on new signings.
That will obviously improve the team,hopefully,but if this isn’t the case then we might as well keep the player.
 
Barney Is this surely just the reality of staying within our means? Not spending money we can’t afford to in the long term?

Wilder has recruited these players, not the board or the owners, wilder. However, this is simplistic as the reality remains that the owners sign off on them.

He’s done so in the belief that the players will improve what we have. Again this doesn’t appear to be the case presently and since xmas last year we’ve struggled to get players to make an impact. All of the signings have been questionable replacements. That said we’ve not seen enough of this seasons recruitment so it’s very early. Perhaps we expect a borbokis or bobby davison impact?

Something which we do though is bring in younger players, perhaps rough diamonds. Lavery and Holmes have both gone out on loan, which shows that they’ve not quite made the step up yet
 
There is no point in selling any player for £15 million etc then not investing the majority of that money on new signings.
That will obviously improve the team,hopefully,but if this isn’t the case then we might as well keep the player.
I don’t agree entirely. £15million for a young player is excellent business, however we still need to balance the books.
 
There is no point in selling any player for £15 million etc then not investing the majority of that money on new signings.
That will obviously improve the team,hopefully,but if this isn’t the case then we might as well keep the player.

But what does the winning owner pay off the losing owner with?
 
I suppose in an ideal world if you received £15 million for a player you would buy 3 x £5 players or 2 x £7 million players which would drastically improve your team
 
Brooks now £15m. Sell on fees up to £7m. Dear me.

And still people think that , ahem, £22m, would go to team building when many have said, rightly, it won't ( as any fule no ) but are then surprised when it doesn't.


#realist
I did mention that I could be wrong with the £7m. I've no idea how much it was in truth.
 



Could have been, I can't quite remember. In terms of Brooks, think we can all agree £12m-£15m.

If part of that fee is dependent on certain happenings, we'd be better off agreeing that £12m , as a very top figure - will be the figure that matters now. Because it's now we're talking about.
 
I still can't believe Egan cost £4 million ish
I'm sure it was an arrangement between us and Brentford to appease our fans. Brentford getting rid of him didn't upset their fans at all
 
Yes, all players are, except Messi and MBappe
All replaceable with a bit of good scouting and a spine

I think you're the only one on here who ever claimed £2m would easily buy us a replacement for Coutts. There's a reason for that.

Btw. Good scouting, spine, lots of money. And £2m wouldn't have been enough. I did ask on the other thread for names....
 
The problem we have at the moment in my opinion is we have money and everyone knows it.

The media are expecting we spend it and the fans or at least some are expecting we spend it!

Everyone is adding un needed pressure to a manager what obviously cares about what hes currently doing while in position and what he leaves when he moves on
 



I think you're the only one on here who ever claimed £2m would easily buy us a replacement for Coutts. There's a reason for that.

Btw. Good scouting, spine, lots of money. And £2m wouldn't have been enough. I did ask on the other thread for names....


At the time we were in a great position to replace Coutts, anybody would have come here if we'd paid them enough wages (In other words a SPINE)

I'm actually doing Barcelona a disservice as well. Messi is replaceable, as we'll find out in the next 5 years. They've probably got another half dozen Messi's already between their under 8's up to under 18's (SCOUTING)

The reason their scouting works is because they have a style of play that the scouts are under orders to find players to fit into

They don't see a player and think "He's a good no nonsense, bruising centre half, he might not tick all the boxes regarding what we're trying to achieve but he's nice and cheap" like some football clubs not a million miles away
 

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