Outgoing? O’Connell to Brighton

[Maidenhead]

I somewhat agree. But in a way, that post is far more negative than those that may appear to you to be moaning. Essentially the gist of your post is that we should shut up and accept our fate as a non-successful football outfit? If that's not your point then I apologise, but then it would only be fair that you propose a solution.

I'll propose a solution.

Chill, enjoy your life and stop worrying about things you can't influence.

Works wonders for me

 

[Revolution]

That's an unrealistic scenario but I'm a great believer in a fair wage structure and a sustainable business model so the short answer would be yes.

Having said that I think Fleck and JOC are the only ones currently at risk, and that's a marginal risk.

Wilder knows the market, knows what other clubs pay, and it is his job to manage his resources accordingly.

I don't think he will be short changing our players but silly offers from other clubs can relate to wages as well as transfer fees.

If you let everyone who's the subject of an inquiry and "unhappy" (i.e. Want more money) leave, you'll end up with a bad team very quickly and other clubs will see you as a soft touch.

Sometimes you have to show backbone. One size does not fit all.

 

[wizadry]

The thing is, if all managers did the same and told people to stop making stuff up or you get nowt from me, the rumour mill would be a redundant piece of kit, dontcha fink?

No, not every rumour is bollocks though, the ones that have something behind them can be posted and debated but the ones that are bullshit should be brought to light as just that and shouldn’t be posted. It creates a disruptive influence, all imho of course but you and many more will probably disagree.

 

[Maidenhead]

If you let everyone who's the subject of an inquiry and "unhappy" (i.e. Want more money) leave, you'll end up with a bad team very quickly and other clubs will see you as a soft touch.

Sometimes you have to show backbone. One size does not fit all.

I don't totally disagree but you have to be able to afford to pay someone for not performing at their best and it is more than likely that a player in demand is amongst our highest earners.

Can we afford to pay our highest earners for not producing?

I don't think so.

Also if you have a team of unhappy players you will also become a bad team very quickly.

It's the managers job to make these calls.

 

[Bladezz]

I don't totally disagree but you have to be able to afford to pay someone for not performing at their best and it is more than likely that a player in demand is amongst our highest earners.

Can we afford to pay our highest earners for not producing?

I don't think so.

Also if you have a team of unhappy players you will also become a bad team very quickly.

It's the managers job to make these calls.

Exactly, so far he’s making the right calls. We sell Brooks who’s not a first team player to be able to improve the first team squad and keep ahold of the players here.

Big season this for us if we’re 14th at Christmas the likes of Fleck and JoC can have a moan about not moving. But while ever we are improving they should stay put with improved contracts along the way.

 

[Tezza1889]

Regardless of weather this is a rumour, bullshit or both...

Any firm bid of £7 million + and the board will sell him, we are a selling club no matter how suicidal the move would be to the first team..

They’ll also cry poverty at some point down the line, and the only thing more predictable is that some of our fans will defend them by “having a pop” at explaining the technicalities of the finances needed to run SUFC...

1, agent looks for a move, or gets contacted.
2, bid placed / interest registered.
3, player informed.
4, sufc meeting with player regarding approach.
5, we can’t (won’t) improve contract, player wants to triple his wages / play at the top level.
6, we refuse the move as player is under contract, so forces the player to hand in a request.
7, player hands in transfer request ( forfeits his cut of the transfer fee )
8, we accept the bid, and tell the fans that he’s handed a request in.
9, fans although upset accept this, “he doesn’t wanna be here” etc.
10, player moves and fans argue about the amount of money they’ll never see invested in players.. (is 3 mill still our record signing?)
11, board have the budget all sorted without spending a penny of thier own..

That’s how it works at the lane by the look of things, any bid from premier league and we lose the player.. it’s a fact isn’t it...

 

[Maidenhead]

Regardless of weather this is a rumour, bullshit or both...

Any firm bid of £7 million + and the board will sell him, we are a selling club no matter how suicidal the move would be to the first team..

They’ll also cry poverty at some point down the line, and the only thing more predictable is that some of our fans will defend them by “having a pop” at explaining the technicalities of the finances needed to run SUFC...

1, agent looks for a move, or gets contacted.
2, bid placed / interest registered.
3, player informed.
4, sufc meeting with player regarding approach.
5, we can’t (won’t) improve contract, player wants to triple his wages / play at the top level.
6, we refuse the move as player is under contract, so forces the player to hand in a request.
7, player hands in transfer request ( forfeits his cut of the transfer fee )
8, we accept the bid, and tell the fans that he’s handed a request in.
9, fans although upset accept this, “he doesn’t wanna be here” etc.
10, player moves and fans argue about the amount of money they’ll never see invested in players.. (is 3 mill still our record signing?)
11, board have the budget all sorted without spending a penny of thier own..

That’s how it works at the lane by the look of things, any bid from premier league and we lose the player.. it’s a fact isn’t it...

Weather's lovely here thanks.

Anyway, regardless of the weather and your £7m figure that's pretty much how football works.

The only real variable is the depth of the owners pockets that determine whether the magic number is £7m or £700m.

Just as true at Real Madrid as it is at Sheffield United

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Reading have specified £15m for Moore, and Jack is far more superior and versatile in comparison. Ergo...

 

[Bladesman]

Reading have specified £15m for Moore, and Jack is far more superior and versatile in comparison. Ergo...

£50million

 

[Sean Thornton]

Regardless of weather this is a rumour, bullshit or both...

Any firm bid of £7 million + and the board will sell him, we are a selling club no matter how suicidal the move would be to the first team..

They’ll also cry poverty at some point down the line, and the only thing more predictable is that some of our fans will defend them by “having a pop” at explaining the technicalities of the finances needed to run SUFC...

1, agent looks for a move, or gets contacted.
2, bid placed / interest registered.
3, player informed.
4, sufc meeting with player regarding approach.
5, we can’t (won’t) improve contract, player wants to triple his wages / play at the top level.
6, we refuse the move as player is under contract, so forces the player to hand in a request.
7, player hands in transfer request ( forfeits his cut of the transfer fee )
8, we accept the bid, and tell the fans that he’s handed a request in.
9, fans although upset accept this, “he doesn’t wanna be here” etc.
10, player moves and fans argue about the amount of money they’ll never see invested in players.. (is 3 mill still our record signing?)
11, board have the budget all sorted without spending a penny of thier own..

That’s how it works at the lane by the look of things, any bid from premier league and we lose the player.. it’s a fact isn’t it...

The board haven't had a budget yet where they've managed to get away without putting a penny in.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Just as a footnote. Bournemouth are getting nowhere with this pursuit of Chris Mepham of Bournemouth at £12million.
A 20 year old with 21 career apps for Brentford... We want shutting down if we even consider less than that.

In fairness, been told nothing doing at £6mil which is good, but doubling that should be the starting point.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Bournemouth are getting nowhere with this pursuit of Chris Mepham of Bournemouth at £12million.

Can't even bid for their own players, fucking amateurs.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

£50million

I thank you.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Can't even bid for their own players, fucking amateurs.

Bastard. It’s the small B teams that play in red stripes. Can’t help but get them mixed up.

 

[Ricky]

Just as a footnote. Bournemouth are getting nowhere with this pursuit of Chris Mepham of Bournemouth at £12million.
A 20 year old with 21 career apps for Brentford... We want shutting down if we even consider less than that.

In fairness, been told nothing doing at £6mil which is good, but doubling that should be the starting point.

Mepham should be more of a comparison with Brooks.

Same age (3 months younger) and he's a centre half.

If they keep him or get more for him than we got for Brooks then that shows what a soft touch we are.

Unless he's an absolutely unbelievable talent anyway.

 

[sheffielder]

Mepham should be more of a comparison with Brooks.

Same age (3 months younger) and he's a centre half.

If they keep him or get more for him than we got for Brooks then that shows what a soft touch we are.

Unless he's an absolutely unbelievable talent anyway.

Mepham was a first team regular though

 

[super_pig]

The board haven't had a budget yet where they've managed to get away without putting a penny in.

yeah it was at least ten bob

 

[Rodley]

Mepham was a first team regular though

Yep, is there a hot Champship prospect somewhere who warms the bench we can use as a comparison?

 

[wizadry]

Mepham was a first team regular though

Brooks would’ve been a first choice player had he not had his illness.

 

[Torrix1889]

Brooks would’ve been a first choice player had he not had his illness.

Not sure I agree, we always seemed to have to shoe-horn him in....

 

[sheffielder]

Brooks would’ve been a first choice player had he not had his illness.

Agreed but mepham whether we like it or not didn’t and has more league experience than Brooks.

Don’t get me wrong I rate brooks, but he wouldn’t have been a shoe in either if fit. Even when fit at the end of the season he wasn’t

 

[Darthblade]

Regardless of weather this is a rumour, bullshit or both...

Any firm bid of £7 million + and the board will sell him, we are a selling club no matter how suicidal the move would be to the first team..

They’ll also cry poverty at some point down the line, and the only thing more predictable is that some of our fans will defend them by “having a pop” at explaining the technicalities of the finances needed to run SUFC...

1, agent looks for a move, or gets contacted.
2, bid placed / interest registered.
3, player informed.
4, sufc meeting with player regarding approach.
5, we can’t (won’t) improve contract, player wants to triple his wages / play at the top level.
6, we refuse the move as player is under contract, so forces the player to hand in a request.
7, player hands in transfer request ( forfeits his cut of the transfer fee )
8, we accept the bid, and tell the fans that he’s handed a request in.
9, fans although upset accept this, “he doesn’t wanna be here” etc.
10, player moves and fans argue about the amount of money they’ll never see invested in players.. (is 3 mill still our record signing?)
11, board have the budget all sorted without spending a penny of thier own..

That’s how it works at the lane by the look of things, any bid from premier league and we lose the player.. it’s a fact isn’t it...

Well …… you know what we've been told by the football experts

When a higher league Club comes calling you have no choice but to sell

Its a pity nobody tells that to the Clubs we deal with …….

UTB & FTP

 

[Darthblade]

The board haven't had a budget yet where they've managed to get away without putting a penny in.

And neither should they get away without having to put money in if they want the prestige and honour of being involved with this GREAT ( not massive! ) football Club !!!

We are not a plaything or a pastime ...… we are a religion and a lifestyle choice

UTB & FTP

 

[BushBlade]

Mepham should be more of a comparison with Brooks.

Same age (3 months younger) and he's a centre half.

If they keep him or get more for him than we got for Brooks then that shows what a soft touch we are.

Unless he's an absolutely unbelievable talent anyway.

Or he’s not that bothered about going to Bournemouth and fancies his chances at getting a better move by staying at Brentford. He’s a West London boy. London is an amazing place to live if you’re young and rich.

Closest we’ve found to a benchmark though, as you say; ex PL academy (Chelsea), played a couple of times for Wales. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

 

[Harrisblade]

And neither should they get away without having to put money in if they want the prestige and honour of being involved with this GREAT ( not massive! ) football Club !!!

What prestige is that then?

 

[Rodley]

Or he’s not that bothered about going to Bournemouth and fancies his chances at getting a better move by staying at Brentford. He’s a West London boy. London is an amazing place to live if you’re young and rich.

Closest we’ve found to a benchmark though, as you say; ex PL academy (Chelsea), played a couple of times for Wales. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Agree, with £10,000 per week in my pocket at that age I’d take London every day of the week.

 

[Sean Thornton]

What prestige is that then?

Owning a money tree

 

[Eric Cartman]

Mepham should be more of a comparison with Brooks.

Same age (3 months younger) and he's a centre half.

If they keep him or get more for him than we got for Brooks then that shows what a soft touch we are.

Unless he's an absolutely unbelievable talent anyway.

They're both centre halves, I'd rather compare him to O'Connell as JO'C is still only 24, we shouldn't be getting less for him than they get for Mepham IMO, no way on earth

 

[wizadry]

Not sure I agree, we always seemed to have to shoe-horn him in....

Fair enough. From what I can remember, before he got glandular fever is that he was used quite often with Clarke up top drifting between the lines, imho we looked very dangerous and this would’ve been used on a more regular basis.

 

[wizadry]

Agreed but mepham whether we like it or not didn’t and has more league experience than Brooks.

Don’t get me wrong I rate brooks, but he wouldn’t have been a shoe in either if fit. Even when fit at the end of the season he wasn’t

I’d argue that he still wasn’t fully fit towards the end of the season otherwise we’d have seen him a lot more in games where we definitely needed him to make the difference, it’s also towards the end of the season where we dropped off.