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hIs agent tells chris to cause some interest by saying what he did. Is agent then tells chris to bugger off on holiday after the Bristol game to have a think and to leave everyone stewing. He comes back off his hols and becomes the new stoke city manager....
 
Ok, this is important. If your wife and kids left you because you spent too much time on the forum wondering about whether you would give Wilder a standing ovation if he left us, would you give your wife a standing ovation when she came back to get the toaster?
 
If he leaves he leaves, that's football. We'll get over it and carry on.

More important things in life to worry about.
 
The one thing I'm confused over regarding this Sunderland link, is that Wilder said himself that "he stayed at Oxford a year he shouldn't have done". Was this Stewart Donald bloke at Oxford during his entire tenure there or not? If so, why would he go to manage this bloke's new club having said that.
 
MCGribble1889 said:
The one thing I'm confused over regarding this Sunderland link, is that Wilder said himself that "he stayed at Oxford a year he shouldn't have done". Was this Stewart Donald bloke at Oxford during his entire tenure there or not? If so, why would he go to manage this bloke's new club having said that.
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Ian Lenagan was Oxford's chairman when Wilder left
 



Esablade said:
'If' he left stated the above as the reason, then yes, I'd believe him...he's been pretty straight with the fans so far, he is a fan himself, and if faced with an uncertain future he may well jump ship.

Do you think he should stick it out here come hell or high water?

P.S- this is professional football.
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i think this is the OP's point.
as a fan, should he stick it out? Yes! He's a fan, surely a fans loyalty would be to stay long enough to sort it, wouldn't you?
this is professional football? should he probably leave to further enhance/not damage here his reputation? Yes! CW is a business. he should do what's best for the brand and balance sheet - that's business.

all we can do is sit and wait
in my opinion there are only 3* outcomes...
1) ownership and budget sorted, he stays
2) ownership and budget not sorted, but "the blade" stays irrespective
3) ownership and budget not sorted, he moves on - business is business.

*I'm not counting ownership and budget sorted but he goes, as i don't think barring Arsenal or something equally ridiculous he would do that
 
steve26272 said:
should he probably leave to further enhance/not damage here his reputation? Yes! CW is a business. he should do what's best for the brand and balance sheet - that's business.
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If I was an owner and was looking at Wilder for a management role, I'd want to know why he does a runner when the going get's tough.

Is he the kind of manager that can get teams promoted when everything is fine and dandy, fans and the board are all smiles but once they hit a rough patch he bolts? Because if he is then he'll quickly become known as a lower league quick fix and nothing more.
 
S12 Blade said:
If I was an owner and was looking at Wilder for a management role, I'd want to know why he does a runner when the going get's tough.
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The 'going' was tough when Wilder joined us. We couldn't get arrested let win a game, yet strangely he stayed here. So the nonsense of when things get tough and off he goes is just that, nonsense. If all you can do is offer simplified conclusions about what are clearly complex issues I should consider what you write before posting.

From previous clubs that Wilder has managed he's had to deal with situations that were far worse than whatever's going on at United. It might just be a case of being misled or told untruths, who knows, not you or I I'll wager.
 
itsinyerblood said:
The 'going' was tough when Wilder joined us. We couldn't get arrested let win a game, yet strangely he stayed here. So the nonsense of when things get tough and off he goes is just that, nonsense.
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It certainly was tough when he joined and he then made us into a promotion winning team. But whether it was tough or not, he wasn't going to quit within a couple of months was he! What I was trying to get across was now he's stabilised the club, will he walk now things aren't so calm? A bit of damage limitation of his part, if he's here or not he'll still want to be remembered as a Blade won't he...
 
steve26272 said:
i think this is the OP's point.
as a fan, should he stick it out? Yes! He's a fan, surely a fans loyalty would be to stay long enough to sort it, wouldn't you?
this is professional football? should he probably leave to further enhance/not damage here his reputation? Yes! CW is a business. he should do what's best for the brand and balance sheet - that's business.

all we can do is sit and wait
in my opinion there are only 3* outcomes...
1) ownership and budget sorted, he stays
2) ownership and budget not sorted, but "the blade" stays irrespective
3) ownership and budget not sorted, he moves on - business is business.

*I'm not counting ownership and budget sorted but he goes, as i don't think barring Arsenal or something equally ridiculous he would do that
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4) as a fan seeing the club torn apart in an ownership struggle and being powerless to do owt but walk would probably do your head in.
 
As I understand it Chris is looking to be at a club for that doesn't lack direction.

If he's just looking for more money every season to push the club on then he's going to face some adversity at some point in his career.

He may have taken these players as far as he can but that can also raise questions around his own management as well as the capability of the players.

It wouldn't have taken much to get a point out of Bristol at home and be one place higher. It's just one example but percentage wise a win wasn't really a risk worth taking against a rival.

He's also spent a reasonable amount in January for little return - Wilson is a miss, Holmes is a miss, Leonard at best is jury still out, Evans probably teeters between jury out and hit. His percentage of hits in recruitment has been high, but in terms of being set against money spent, the return is a bit mixed.

I want Chris to stay and he's done a very good job, I just think there has to be some acknowledgment that he is learning and we are also accepting of his mistakes too.

He's not someone who is miles better than the club and is doing us a favour being here. We finished about where we should do for a club our size, if not arguably we should be a little higher. It just so happened that we were at our lowest ebb for decades.

This is a two way street. Chris can achieve a lot of his ambition if not all with us. We are also impacted by his decision making good and bad. If he finds his budget a million light, then 400k on Holmes and 700k on Leonard would be good starting points as to why. I can see Leonard adjusting though perhaps in defence, not midfield but Holmes will be 31 when next season kicks off, that one is looking like a dud.

Let's hope this get sorted out but Chris also owes the Blades for taking a guy who has managed only up to League Two level and helping him become a Championship manager. Let's be appreciative of the excellent just he has done but let's not also entirely lose sight of that.
 
The only two reasons I can see Wilder walking is if someone offers to stuff his bank account with squillions and squillions and he decides that nothing else matters, or the ownership issue results in the Prince winning and he insists on a DoF, or some such, and Wilder doesn't like it.
Otherwise I think some people are in danger of believing our own hype. Away from Bramall Lane, he won't be high on many people's wanted lists. He has proved himself a good lower league manager. However, although Blades are convinced promotion out of League 1 could only be achieved by a demi-god, neutrals will look at Sheffield United and think promotion out of that league a fairly normal, natural thing and the puzzle is simply why did it take so long.
Other than that, he's not yet proved himself to be a good Championship manager. Again, people will see a mid table finish for us as par for the course. So it would be quite a shock for any team relegated from the PL to be interested in him. How are they going to sell that to the fans?
As for clubs like Sunderland, wanting promotion out of L1 asap, of course they'd love someone like Wilder, but he'd be daft to risk it. If he fails, and we (and he) know just how easy that is, he will cement himself into the lower leagues, possibly for the rest of his career. Only managed to make mid-table in the Championship with a decent sized club before running for the safety of League 1, which he knows how to manage, but then sullies his excellent record with a couple of nearly-but-not-quite seasons with a big budget.
It's only worth it if the sum of his ambition is an eye-watering bank balance.
 
Champagneblade said:
As I understand it Chris is looking to be at a club for that doesn't lack direction.

If he's just looking for more money every season to push the club on then he's going to face some adversity at some point in his career.

He may have taken these players as far as he can but that can also raise questions around his own management as well as the capability of the players.

It wouldn't have taken much to get a point out of Bristol at home and be one place higher. It's just one example but percentage wise a win wasn't really a risk worth taking against a rival.

He's also spent a reasonable amount in January for little return - Wilson is a miss, Holmes is a miss, Leonard at best is jury still out, Evans probably teeters between jury out and hit. His percentage of hits in recruitment has been high, but in terms of being set against money spent, the return is a bit mixed.

I want Chris to stay and he's done a very good job, I just think there has to be some acknowledgment that he is learning and we are also accepting of his mistakes too.

He's not someone who is miles better than the club and is doing us a favour being here. We finished about where we should do for a club our size, if not arguably we should be a little higher. It just so happened that we were at our lowest ebb for decades.

This is a two way street. Chris can achieve a lot of his ambition if not all with us. We are also impacted by his decision making good and bad. If he finds his budget a million light, then 400k on Holmes and 700k on Leonard would be good starting points as to why. I can see Leonard adjusting though perhaps in defence, not midfield but Holmes will be 31 when next season kicks off, that one is looking like a dud.

Let's hope this get sorted out but Chris also owes the Blades for taking a guy who has managed only up to League Two level and helping him become a Championship manager. Let's be appreciative of the excellent just he has done but let's not also entirely lose sight of that.
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I see your point but let's be realistic ...... he's spent bugger all because he's been given bugger all to spend :rolleyes:

He's not done bad, given the meagre resources he's been given ..... to have brought in so few "ineffective" signings.

UTB & FTP
 
I've done 40 years going to Hillsborough, and over a quarter of a century going to the Lane, and I shudder to think what that's cost me financially. But, like everybody else, I'm a fan who's paying to be entertained (and I can tell you that in all those seasons as often as not the entertainment wasn't great).

Wilder doubtless kicked off that way when he was young, but he's now a manager. It's his job. He's a mercenary. No doubt he would rather fulfill his ambitions with United, but his own success almost certainly will be uppermost in his mind.
Tufty is acutely aware that being British is a distinct drawback when it comes to managing at the top level. We know this because he's mentioned that fact on several occasions to my knowledge. His stock will probably never be higher than it is now. The opinion of fans I've spoken to outside this region is that he's got United a quarter of a division higher than expected, so it's understandable that there's interest from other clubs.

From Wilder's point of view it's now or never. This side won't do as well next season without considerable investment. If it doesn't, then his fortunes will also wane with United's more modest results. If Wilder wants to manage in the PL, which he's repeatedly said he does, then he needs to be at a club capable of winning promotion. Whether he stays or goes will depend upon the board's ability to fund a promotion challenge. When all is said and done, that's why Carlos quit Wednesday. Once he realized that the game was up at S6, then he decamped to South Wales.
 
Bellypork said:
From Wilder's point of view it's now or never.
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Is it? Did he tell you that?
There are a lot of assumptions in your post. My answer to most of what you say is in post 52 above, but I will add that he has plenty of time and could easily put a season or two in at United, substantial investment or not, proving his Championship credentials before moving on. I'm really not sure why people think he's football's golden boy in anyone except our eyes. As I say, a move to a recently relegated PL club is a big risk for them. A move down a division is a big risk for him.
 
Longdog said:
hIs agent tells chris to cause some interest by saying what he did. Is agent then tells chris to bugger off on holiday after the Bristol game to have a think and to leave everyone stewing. He comes back off his hols and becomes the new stoke city manager....
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Turning WBA down then?
 



Hamburg Blade said:
Is it? Did he tell you that?
There are a lot of assumptions in your post. My answer to most of what you say is in post 52 above, but I will add that he has plenty of time and could easily put a season or two in at United, substantial investment or not, proving his Championship credentials before moving on. I'm really not sure why people think he's football's golden boy in anyone except our eyes. As I say, a move to a recently relegated PL club is a big risk for them. A move down a division is a big risk for him.
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Hamburg Blade said:
Is it? Did he tell you that?
There are a lot of assumptions in your post. My answer to most of what you say is in post 52 above, but I will add that he has plenty of time and could easily put a season or two in at United, substantial investment or not, proving his Championship credentials before moving on. I'm really not sure why people think he's football's golden boy in anyone except our eyes. As I say, a move to a recently relegated PL club is a big risk for them. A move down a division is a big risk for him.
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Not personally, of course, but in his last interview he did express concern about the club regressing.There are assumptions in what I wrote, you're right, but his comments do suggest that he believes that his moment is now ripe. Opportunity is knocking, it's just a question of where.

But there are assumptions in your post too, as there are in everyone's.

For example: Other than that, he's not yet proved himself to be a good Championship manager. Again, people will see a mid table finish for us as par for the course.

I don't think that's true. United, financially speaking, are in a similar place to Wednesday under Mandy. I thought that Gray played a blinder to get the Owls to 13th (which is why he should never have been sacked), and that was by employing defensive tactics, not the type of football we've been treated to at the Lane. There aren't many managers out there who could achieve so much with that group of players. The Preston fixture summed it up for me. Both our teams played them within a short space of time, so obviously comparisons were easy. I think United probably played them better than Wednesday, but it was FF who undid them. I don't like him, I think his attitude stinks, but there's no doubting his ability. That's the type of quality required to fulfill Tufty's ambitions. No team plays well for 46 games a season, and it's players of FF's ilk who get you the three points nonetheless.

For what it's worth, I don't think he'll go to Weirside, but West Brom is a different kettle of fish altogether.
 
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