Ched Evans interview

[Berkshire Blade]

The timing of this Jim White 'scoop' had absolutely nothing to do with him having a couple of hours to kill following his interview with Anthony Joshua at the EIS that very morning. Oh, and the international break.

No, of course not.

It was recorded in the bar too. With lots of background noise and music! Clearly didn't fancy getting into a hotel room for a quick one!

 

[stringer]

Now he has been cleared, what exactly is she a ‘victim’ of? She was illegally named because at that time she was indeed the victim of a rape.

Now we know no rape happened, why is she a victim? And of what?

She’s still entitled to lifelong anonymity and would be, even if Chedwyn was cleared at his original trial

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

The first one on the left hand side.

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Perhaps actually looking at what I post rather than leaping to defend the Fourth Estate, would be a better journalistic tactic?

Headline says Ched treats women like dirt.

Whilst slap bang next to it is a woman in her panties.

 

[Davalon]

Why did she agree then ?
If we are looking for role models ,Ennis would be right down my list for my daughter. Millionaire who bans her friends and family from having phones at her wedding in case they take pictures ? Not my favourite person from many things I have heard from people close to her.

Have to agree to disagree on her personality but then again I'm not going to pretend I know her personally.

If people can't grasp why she agreed to the stand naming, and think it was purely out of greed and publicity seeking, I truly despair.

 

[Brian Blessed]

Now he has been cleared, what exactly is she a ‘victim’ of? She was illegally named because at that time she was indeed the victim of a rape.

Now we know no rape happened, why is she a victim? And of what?

She's a victim in the sense that she, probably more so than Ched, has had her life completely changed by the whole sorry saga, harassed and forced to change her identity more than once and move away from her home town.

And for what? Getting pissed out of her head, shagging some footballers and reporting a lost handbag. She's been called allsorts on this board alone when it doesn't matter whether she was a renowned slapper or not, it's 100% clear that she didn't "cry rape" as some still believe. Certainly of the behaviour on the night she did less "wrong" than Ched, she went for a drunken shag, he took it upon himself to go and have a go on the pissed bird his mate had pulled even whilst she was being ill (as Mcdonald testified) which is pretty fucking low and, it has to be said, a bit "rapey".

 

[BigBed]

He spoke to Jim White yesterday for about 10 minutes in the Copthorne Hotel yesterday.

Main points were
He always believed and said he was innocent and he found it tough in prison.
Said he coped by taking each day as it comes
Said he’s got no bitterness about the events because he’s still young with a lot of life to look forward to.
Said he felt terrible for his family and friends who were receiving terrible abuse and shame at the time due to seeing his face on the front page of papers.
Mentioned that the media were making a big deal asking him to apologise but he again said it was weird because as he was innocent he strongly felt that he shouldn’t apologies but the media criticised him even more.
Said he is really grateful to SU and the fans for giving him the opportunity to resurrect his career.
Said he’s been unfortunate with injuries but really feels he’s now a better player and is still hopeful of playing in the PL, said SU are close to the playoffs so hopefully we would get promoted this season.
He still has ambitions to play for Giggs Wales team.
Said he still receives abuse at about 70% of away matches, said they call him rapist this and rapist that
But said it doesn’t let it bother him.
He also admitted that he’s never spoke to the media since leaving prison and he feels better to finally speak about it.

Cheers pal.

 

[blader]

I’m so glad we re-signed him. It’s brought nothing but joy.

 

[Harry's Game]

He lost the best years of his career to a witch hunt by the CPS and Police who were trying to boost their conviction figures for sexual assault.

A lawyer friend of mine said at the time the case should not be brought and he will be cleared easily. When he was convicted he said the brief representing him must be hopeless.

However from a footballing point of view Sheffield United is not a charity and his legs have clearly gone. No amount of pre-season training is going to change that I am afraid.

If we could get the ownership sorted and get some propper investment in I would be looking to pay his contract up and wish him good luck for the future.

 

[Chali 2na]

Yes, her decision making was/is, at best, questionable. But to refer to anyone as a cunt should suggest many dubious qualities, and in this case the use of this word is wrong.

I think she (I'm assuming we're talking about Charlie Webster) does have 'dubious qualities' to be honest.

The main thing is that two, well paid, adult males concocted a scenario that had profound ramifications beyond their limited experience. Whatever she does or doesn't recall about the incident, those who were the creators of this episode are culpable of behaviour that shouldn't be tolerated or excused. Both males have paid a hefty price for what happened, something that will follow them for the rest of their lives.

Firstly, I'm not sure why their salary has anything to do with it?

As the for the events of that night, and the behaviour involved, I wouldn't want to attribute blame to any party, as I wasn't there.

As for the female, well she was foolish and has been revealed as such, but she doesn't deserve the comments that have been directed at her. It seems that in some quarters there's a 'bloke's club' that views women as little more than objects to be used, regardless of the consequences.

There are some 'quarters' that view women as objects, there are also some 'quarters' that view the world as flat. Unless you're accusing Ched Evans or Clayton McDonald of being a part of that 'bloke's club', then I'm not exactly sure that it's relevant.

And again, I'm not sure I agree that she was foolish: I wasn't there.

 

[flashinblade1889]

Interesting that they have a headline calling Ched "a slimeball that treats women like dirt" right next to an advert saying "see all of Ola" and a picture of a scantily clad lady.

Double standards anybody?

I wouldn’t wipe my arse on that rag Minehead set of cunts.

 

[Chali 2na]

She's a victim in the sense that she, probably more so than Ched,

I'd love to know how you worked that one out.

Last time I checked, Ched Evans served 2.5 years in prison, lost some of the best years of his career, lost millions in earnings and had his reputation ruined by the press.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I think she (I'm assuming we're talking about Charlie Webster) does have 'dubious qualities' to be honest.

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Firstly, I'm not sure why their salary has anything to do with it?

Disagree. Although I've no doubt that less well salaried men have indulged in similar practices, I think the combination of fit young sportsmen and above average incomes does impact on their behaviour and attitudes towards women in general.

As the for the events of that night, and the behaviour involved, I wouldn't want to attribute blame to any party, as I wasn't there.

After what happened, any suggestion of innocence or naivety seems incongruous. The best I can add is that the two men in question lacked a level of social sophistication that resulted in what we now understand to be the facts. I wasn't there either, but it's clear that there was ample levels of arrogance, not to say entitlement, at work on this particular night.

There are some 'quarters' that view women as objects, there are also some 'quarters' that view the world as flat. Unless you're accusing Ched Evans or Clayton McDonald of being a part of that 'bloke's club', then I'm not exactly sure that it's relevant.

It doesn't require great insight to recognise that the two males shared assumptions about what they were entitled to. So yes, I'd venture that they were fully paid up members of this 'bloke's club'. As for the flat earth assertion, I guess it works for those who feel it floats their boat.

And again, I'm not sure I agree that she was foolish: I wasn't there.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Bear in mind that Ched's speedy acquittal followed the presentation of fresh evidence from other men who had had sexual relations with the woman. Ched and Clayton both testified that the woman had offered verbal encouragement to both of them, both before sexual relations occurred and during the act. Ched testified on oath to this in the second trial.

I don't think there is anything murky about what occurred. The woman told the police that she didn't remember anything because she didn't want to say "I went to a hotel to fuck a stranger and when his mate turned up I let him fuck me too" - perfectly understandable on her part to plead a loss of memory instead.

It is completely wrong to make the assumption that she lied to cover her "shame". Everyone keeps insisting she's some sort of slag, she was even portrayed as such at the second trial in the form of "new evidence" and it apparently got him off (though I don't believe that was why, myself). Why on earth would a woman with that kind of lifestyle and reputation lie about a threesome and follow it through to trial, conviction of someone you claim she knows is innocent and through a second trial? It doesn't make sense. You have to decide whether she's a shrinking violet who lied to protect her modesty, or someone sexually liberated enough that she consented to Ched's involvement.

 

[Chali 2na]

Disagree. Although I've no doubt that less well salaried men have indulged in similar practices, I think the combination of fit young sportsmen and above average incomes does impact on their behaviour and attitudes towards women in general

I would be really interested to know what grounds you based that on.

I would love to know exactly what (in your mind) makes someone who is fit and well paid more likely to have a negative attitude towards women, specifically.

After what happened, any suggestion of innocence or naivety seems incongruous. The best I can add is that the two men in question lacked a level of social sophistication that resulted in what we now understand to be the facts. I wasn't there either, but it's clear that there was ample levels of arrogance, not to say entitlement, at work on this particular night.

Which of their actions specifically evidenced a 'lack of social sophistication' or could be regarded as 'behaviour that shouldn't be tolerated or excused'?

It doesn't require great insight to recognise that the two males shared assumptions about what they were entitled to.

In fact, it doesnt require any insight: it just requires baseless speculation: How could you possibly know what they assumed or felt entitled to?

 

[Brian Blessed]

I'd love to know how you worked that one out.

Last time I checked, Ched Evans served 2.5 years in prison, lost some of the best years of his career, lost millions in earnings and had his reputation ruined by the press.

Ched was a third division footballer, yes he had 2.5 years inside and 4 years away from the game but is now a second division footballer with the same woman sticking by him and now playing happy families with their child and he continues to make far more money than 99.99% of us on here, he'll never be poor. Whereas the woman has had her entire life changed forever, has had to change her identity at least 5 times after being discovered and hounded each time according to a report I just read, and can't even show her face in her home town. So yeah I'd say that she came out of it worse overall.

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[Dkc]

It is completely wrong to make the assumption that she lied to cover her "shame". Everyone keeps insisting she's some sort of slag, she was even portrayed as such at the second trial in the form of "new evidence" and it apparently got him off (though I don't believe that was why, myself). Why on earth would a woman with that kind of lifestyle and reputation lie about a threesome and follow it through to trial, conviction of someone you claim she knows is innocent and through a second trial? It doesn't make sense. You have to decide whether she's a shrinking violet who lied to protect her modesty, or someone sexually liberated enough that she consented to Ched's involvement.

So you really believe that she didn't actually remember a single thing about the previous evening - her mind was a complete blank - despite the lack of any "date rape" drug in her system. She was pissed up, but not too pissed to eat a pizza, talk lucidly and dirtily to both blokes, and then have sex.

As I've said elsewhere on this thread, having threesomes or multiple sexual partners doesn't make you a slag, which is an outdated term anyway. But it's entirely logical to conclude that she preferred to keep things simple and not give the old bill the details what happened that night.

Of course, she could conceivably have zero recollection of the incident. But if I had to bet one way or the other, I'd guess she was aware of what went on. I've slept with quite a few rather pissed up lasses in my time, and none of them have had total memory failure the next day. And shagging two professional footballers is probably far more memorable than shagging me.

 

[sitwell]

Have to agree to disagree on her personality but then again I'm not going to pretend I know her personally.

If people can't grasp why she agreed to the stand naming, and think it was purely out of greed and publicity seeking, I truly despair.

You keep saying this ,so I will ask because I cant grasp it ,why did she agree ?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Excellent point by Bob Mills talking about “the power of the media”.

When found guilty the media destroyed Cheds reputation, which was arguably correct and deserved at the time.
However once found not guilty, then there was a strange “media silence`’ on the case.

Bob thinks there should be more effort by the media to repair the damage they had done to Cheds reputation.

Simon Jordan also raising some fantastic points.

He says he felt uncomfortable with the conviction from the very beginning.
It’s not that Simon thinks Ched was innocent, he just thinks the evidence cant have been strong enough to prove without doubt that Ched was guilty.

Simon says he also didn’t like how various celebrities (mentioned Jessica Ennis) jumped on the band wagon throwing more petrol on the fire. He thinks Jessica Ennis should have made a statement after the not guilty acquittal, a kind of apology which would have helped Ched get on with his life.

I disagree with that. I don’t think Jessica Ennis had much choice in the matter given her position at the time and what she did was fair and reasonable in the circumstances. She’s nothing to apologise for. She never wanted her name on the stand to begin with! It was a silly idea, considering all the great players and personalities associated with our club down the years.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

To hear some the fookin idiots on here witter on, spouting utter bollocks like some 1930's Neanderthal male - you'd have thought it was actually Jess Ennis who had lied about Ched raping her....

To start assassinating her achievements as a way of justifying the criticism is just plain embarrassing and does us as fans and human beings no favours.

 

[Chali 2na]

Ched was a third division footballer, yes he had 2.5 years inside and 4 years away from the game but is now a second division footballer

I think you're being compmetely disingenuous. It was his 1st season in league 1 where he scored 35 goals, in contrast to now where he is yet to score a league goal and is arguably our 5th choice striker.

To say he was a third division footballer and he's now a second division footballer implies his career is in a better place now than it was then - which it obviously isn't.

with the same woman sticking by him and now playing happy families with their child

Unless you have information about the marital status and family life of the woman in question, how can you use Ched's "happy family" as a means of comparison?

and he continues to make far more money than 99.99% of us on here, he'll never be poor.

He makes more money than 99.99% of us because has a valuable skill that 99.99% don't have.
I agree that I doubt he'll ever be poor, but he is significantly worse of financially as a result.

Whereas the woman has had her entire life changed forever, has had to change her identity at least 5 times after being discovered and hounded each time according to a report I just read, and can't even show her face in her home town. So yeah I'd say that she came out of it worse overall.

They've both had their lives changed forever.

At least she has the benifit of new identities to escape being "hounded". Evans is hounded publicly (literally by thousands of people chanting in unison) on a regular basis and he will always be Ched Evans - no new identities for him. Her anonymity has been protected - he has never had such treatment.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

So you really believe that she didn't actually remember a single thing about the previous evening - her mind was a complete blank - despite the lack of any "date rape" drug in her system. She was pissed up, but not too pissed to eat a pizza, talk lucidly and dirtily to both blokes, and then have sex.

As I've said elsewhere on this thread, having threesomes or multiple sexual partners doesn't make you a slag, which is an outdated term anyway. But it's entirely logical to conclude that she preferred to keep things simple and not give the old bill the details what happened that night.

Of course, she could conceivably have zero recollection of the incident. But if I had to bet one way or the other, I'd guess she was aware of what went on. I've slept with quite a few rather pissed up lasses in my time, and none of them have had total memory failure the next day. And shagging two professional footballers is probably far more memorable than shagging me.

I have experienced a complete blackout of a night on a couple of occasions - and I always liked to think I was more-or-less in control of the amount I was drinking. It's quite frightening. I've known people who have it regularly and I didn't really believe them until it happened to me. Of course, I still don't believe some people - it's a very convenient excuse for bad behaviour. However, in this case, I find it hard to believe that she lived the lifestyle she did, with the reputation she had - which so many people were keen to publicise - but found it less embarrasing to see this through to the end than to simply admit that she'd had two footballers rather than just pulling the one for a one night stand. She didn't even have to fully come clean, she could easily have sabotaged the prosecution with a "not sure, maybe, can't really remember clearly". No one will ever know 100%, but the logic suggests she really didn't remember.

 

[SwissBlade]

Speed and strength were never Cheds greatest attributes , the power in his right foot and his accuracy were. If he can build on his strength and speed ,the awareness which will come with age and experience ,and the quality of the players around him will make him a big part of us going forward.

Are you mad?

His strength and speed going foreard were what got him into the positions to unleash the boot!

His weakness is playing with his back to goal and long balls. But he looks a lot stronger now with his back to goal.

 

[awblade]

Why did she agree then ?
If we are looking for role models ,Ennis would be right down my list for my daughter. Millionaire who bans her friends and family from having phones at her wedding in case they take pictures ? Not my favourite person from many things I have heard from people close to her.

Interested to know what you have heard. As I knew her, not seen her for 4-5 years now though, and she is one of the nicest people I've ever known.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Bear in mind that Ched's speedy acquittal followed the presentation of fresh evidence from other men who had had sexual relations with the woman. Ched and Clayton both testified that the woman had offered verbal encouragement to both of them, both before sexual relations occurred and during the act. Ched testified on oath to this in the second trial.

I don't think there is anything murky about what occurred. The woman told the police that she didn't remember anything because she didn't want to say "I went to a hotel to fuck a stranger and when his mate turned up I let him fuck me too" - perfectly understandable on her part to plead a loss of memory instead.

There’s absolutely zero evidence to suggest that she lied about not being able to remember, and the two new witnesses both gave evidence that she had not been able to remember having sex with them after she had been drinking.

 

[robbiez666]

why the shit do we need to be still discussing this and throwing shit at people. Can it not go in the special Ched place?

 

[Champagneblade]

Fair play to Ched, he spotted a lull on the message board because of the International break and look what he’s been and gone and done

 

[itsinyerblood]

I would be really interested to know what grounds you based that on.

The general documented output of radio and other media that has revealed well paid footballers as having indulged in sexual exploration where more than one male is involved but only one female happens to be involved. It's not fabricated, apparently it has happened, here in good old blighty.

I would love to know exactly what (in your mind) makes someone who is fit and well paid more likely to have a negative attitude towards women, specifically.

You'll need to pint out where I claimed that fit and well paid footballers are more likely to have this attitude. I searched but could not find an instance where I made this claim.

What I do believe is that some footballers, generally those with otherwise little work experience outside of professional football, can sometimes have an inflated view of their own worth and thus, in their view, they have greater appeal to some women because of their material status. Whether you choose to believe or accept this is immaterial.

Which of their actions specifically evidenced a 'lack of social sophistication' or could be regarded as 'behaviour that shouldn't be tolerated or excused'?

The lack of social sophistication is evidenced by their willingness to enter into something that, as we've seen, had damaging effects on their careers. I doubt they imagined it would go wrong, I mean, they were fit, prime chunks of manhood who could flatter women they found to be receptive to the idea of being fucked. I also doubt that it wouldn't have crossed their minds that anything could go wrong, therefore any risk attached was at best nominal and worth disregarding. You may not equate this with a lack of sophistication, but it certainly wasn't something I'd associate with the sharpest tools in this particular box. Given the ramifications of what happened, my advice is not to tolerate the chance of doing anything that may harm a well paid career. Unless of course you imagine that nothing harmful will ever happen to you....in which case you rely of fortune as a guide to how to behave.

In fact, it doesnt require any insight: it just requires baseless speculation: How could you possibly know what they assumed or felt entitled to?

What I know is this. Due to their behaviour, the men appear to have concluded that it was something that they were entitled to. This was set up before a girl had been approached, so the men involved had already concluded that it was acceptable, therefore they were entitled. Nothing baseless in that, their behaviour revealed that along with an underlying arrogance, they had concluded that there was a high percentage of certainty that what would follow would be theirs to do as they wished, aka entitlement.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

And we owe her nothing - she's had plenty of time to admit her stance was wrong and the facts now prove it. As for her - extremely brief - Olympics success, she's back to doing what she does best, hoovering up money from Santander and Vitality.

As our next match is against Brentford, it's worth remembering that her one and only game as a 'fan' was v. Brentford on 16th April, 2013.

'She never asked for the stand to be named after her'? There's always the word 'No'. But then, she's used to inhabiting that bastion of moral rectitude, athletics.

Christ go and support Wednesday u complete idiot

 

[tonytonycurrie]

Seems to me that this whole episode was just a sleazy night that went tits up when the Welsh Police force decided that they'd go after a big name. It's pretty clear that the girl never accused Ched of rape and in my opinion decided to say that she couldn't remember anything, to avoid the embarrassment of washing her dirty washing in public. If the girl had woken up with her handbag, then no one would ever heard a thing about the matter. The real sadness for me is the way that it's totally wrecked two lives (and probably a lot more) and as such I'd like to see a little retribution towards the people who created it. Sounds like Ched's Father in law feels the same way. This matter is far from closed and I look forwards to hearing story of what happens next regarding the actions being taken against the Police and CPS. The main story here isn't about a rape, it's about the incompetency of the very people we trust serve and protect us. Bastards!!

 

[grafikhaus]

Christ go and support Wednesday u complete idiot

The time of your post speaks volumes. Why not go on the Daily Mail website and post in the 'Comments'? Some are criticising St. Jess of Ennis - can't let that pass, can we?