The Lundstram sub

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Large Mendonca said:
We lost momentum as soon as we took Wilson off, and the game was crying out for Duffy to come on as neither Leon or Donaldson were doing a good job holding the ball up. Did anyone also see second half how Villa were targeting Basham as a weak link for the counter ?
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I thought the opposite to be fair. Took the I left winger off and scored from the right. They might have gone down our right but can’t remember many chances coming from it
 



Leonard was looking to get forward to support the ineffective Wilson. He was getting bullied out of it and didn't relish the physical stuff, hence the Donaldson sub. Get Len to drop back slightly and put on Donaldson as physical presence or put on Holmes for Wilson to do more running from deep. But Lundstram? Really? Mr "to me to you". The creativity and purpose was sucked out of the midfield by that substitution swiftly completed entirely by removing Evans. Lunny Lovers, just get over it. He's not good enough.
 
Duffy was definitely missed tonight, movement and holds the ball up, mistake not to bring him on with 25 minutes to go
 
Snowman said:
Leonard was looking to get forward to support the ineffective Wilson. He was getting bullied out of it and didn't relish the physical stuff, hence the Donaldson sub. Get Len to drop back slightly and put on Donaldson as physical presence or put on Holmes for Wilson to do more running from deep. But Lundstram? Really? Mr "to me to you". The creativity and purpose was sucked out of the midfield by that substitution swiftly completed entirely by removing Evans. Lunny Lovers, just get over it. He's not good enough.
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Lundstram was not the issue with tonight
 
sheffielder said:
I thought the opposite to be fair. Took the I left winger off and scored from the right. They might have gone down our right but can’t remember many chances coming from it
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Although they scored from our left, virtually everything they did was down our right. I watched them a few times second half waiting to pounce on bash as he received the ball
 
I agree that Lundstram shouldn’t have come on, Duffy should have.
However it did need a change, Leonard did nothing all game and needed taking off
 
Snowman said:
Leonard was looking to get forward to support the ineffective Wilson. He was getting bullied out of it and didn't relish the physical stuff, hence the Donaldson sub. Get Len to drop back slightly and put on Donaldson as physical presence or put on Holmes for Wilson to do more running from deep. But Lundstram? Really? Mr "to me to you". The creativity and purpose was sucked out of the midfield by that substitution swiftly completed entirely by removing Evans. Lunny Lovers, just get over it. He's not good enough.
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Ah, there’s that agenda again....
 
Duffy is our most creative player. Good teams play their creative players.
 
LJBlade said:
Ah, there’s that agenda again....
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Why can't you understand that an honestly held opinion is not "an agenda"? My honestly held opinion having watched him play at home and admittedly on ifollow away is that he isn't good enough in the midfield of this side playing this formation. Disagree with me by all means.
 
LJBlade said:
Or you could just read them instead of jumping straight in, ‘pal’.

You said the substitution of Lundstram cost us. They were your words.
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They did. Not directly though. It’s not like it was his fault we lost. And I never said it was.
 
Rodley said:
Lunny is not the answer pal.
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Did I say he was?

He wasn’t any worse tonight than quite a few others (and he was only on the pitch for 23 minutes) but we’ve got people blaming him for the defeat and singling him out. Leonard touched the ball about 3 times but doesn’t get a mention.
 
Guesty said:
Our record with Lundstram in the side is woeful.
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It really is disgusting in fairness. Think it’s going on a bit too long to be a coincidence too.

It’s not that I don’t rate Lundstram either because I actually do like him but I don’t think he’s cut out for our formation.
 
sheffielder said:
Lundstram was not the issue with tonight
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What was the issue with tonight? Apart from another keeper having a world at one end and a repeated failure we have seen at the other end?. So I'm saying as he gets the ball, "you've got to come out, you've got to come out fill the space" and guess what......no fucker did and another world goes in. Anything else, apart from the usual over playing it and lack of cutting edge and a crap ref? Otherwise that was a cracking game of football and I'm not complaining at the entertainment at least.
 



Snowman said:
Why can't you understand that an honestly held opinion is not "an agenda"? My honestly held opinion having watched him play at home and admittedly on ifollow away is that he isn't good enough in the midfield of this side playing this formation. Disagree with me by all means.
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Because when you single out a player for a ‘bad’ performance over others who played worse it comes across as an agenda
 
sheffielder said:
Thought it was bizarre myself. Understood Lunny for Leonard who I am hoping had a nervous start, as he looks quite basic to me.

Problem is when you bring Donaldson on for Wilson the movement went then. Bringing Evans off.

Why not just Holmes for Leonard and you could have had a double change up top or put Duffy on behind Clarke.

Anyway we should have won but the subs set us back and we couldn’t get any momentum going. Poor start to secondalf probably set these ubs in motion
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Wilder got it wrong . Simple as that really . He'd have been better off taking Basham off and going with a straight back 4 whilst bringing Duffy or Holmes on and making a mess of their midfield set up .

Whatever way you look at it though Evans off for Lunny was a bizarre change . Leonard for Lunny maybe but Evans. .....
 
LJBlade said:
Did I say he was?

He wasn’t any worse tonight than quite a few others (and he was only on the pitch for 23 minutes) but we’ve got people blaming him for the defeat and singling him out. Leonard touched the ball about 3 times but doesn’t get a mention.
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NOBODY is blaming Lundstram for the defeat. The sub itself which made no sense maybe.
 
coolhandluke said:
Wilder got it wrong . Simple as that really . He'd have been better off taking Basham off and going with a straight back 4 whilst bringing Duffy or Holmes on and making a mess of their midfield set up .

Whatever way you look at it though Evans off for Lunny was a bizarre change . Leonard for Lunny maybe but Evans. .....
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It was Leonard for Lunny. And it gave us nothing different.

I’d have either hooked Basham, gone for a back 4 and brought Holmes or Duffy on as you said or brought Leonard off and brought one of them two on - pushing Evans further up.

Evans was non descript after Leonard came off after previously being our best player. We were trying to hit it long to Donaldson who was being marked by the best defender this country has seen in the last 15 years. Crazy.
 
LJBlade said:
You did. You’re just backtracking because you’ve been called out for talking bollocks once again
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You are taking the context far too literally if you think that’s what I’m and the others are saying. Dunce.
 
Snowman said:
What was the issue with tonight? Apart from another keeper having a world at one end and a repeated failure we have seen at the other end?. So I'm saying as he gets the ball, "you've got to come out, you've got to come out fill the space" and guess what......no fucker did and another world goes in. Anything else, apart from the usual over playing it and lack of cutting edge and a crap ref? Otherwise that was a cracking game of football and I'm not complaining at the entertainment at least.
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Why comment on lundstram though. It’s not like he did anything wrong
 
dc_blade said:
I like Lunny but that was a puzzling choice for me too. Evans was quality and after two games it does seem he's a more confident and progressive midfielder than Lundstram. Lunny didn't do much wrong exactly but he didn't drive us forward the way Evans was.

Even worse was how we reacted to Donaldson coming on. Terry had us in his his pocket when it came to the long ball. We play so much nice stuff with the ball on the deck, I just don't understand why we're tempted to switch it up like that.
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I was shouting at the box keep it on the floor, was Holmes and Duffy for me the first two who should have come on.
 
LJBlade said:
You said it ‘cost us’. What did it cost us if it wasn’t the game?
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Momentum. We were well on top and made a sub that gave us nothing.

That doesn’t mean Lundstram actually cost us the game for crying out loud.
 
Lundstram should not have been on the pitch, that is not a dig at him or how he played. Evans was our best player imo and was having a really good game to sub him was mindboggling. Leonard was poor and should have been dragged before he was so that switch was warranted but to then take off Evans and tell Lundstram to sit in there is truly baffling, made no sense whatsoever

I'm Wilder's biggest fan but he is not above criticism. He was wrong and not for the first time he has got it wrong and it has bitten us in the ass. He can be too clever for his own good and it is something that will hurt his career in the long term

Duffy has to be involved
 
LJBlade said:
Because when you single out a player for a ‘bad’ performance over others who played worse it comes across as an agenda
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OK, this thread was about the substitution. I do not believe that Lundstram is good enough for the position in this style and formation. I will therefore direct my ire at Wilder who clearly thinks he is. He being far more skilled than me at all aspects of the job he does, he will clearly be correct. As for the rest, Leonard didn't show as he should, Wilson looked as though he didn't fancy it and Basham scared me to death.
 



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