Spanish Newspaper slags Blades over Brexit

[stringer]

On a quick reading, I have a couple of suggestions. Are the quotes fron Wilder genuine? They may well be, but I missed them. If they are, then the article is a clear case of taking quotations out of context and mis-using them. Can you make this clearer?
The other thing is that the Spanish text on La Vanguardia's website says that Wilder did not say HOW he voted, which to me is deliberately suggesting that he was asked and declined to answer, evading the question. If he has never been asked this question, and I imagine he wasn't, then the article is malicious as well as bullshit.
And good on you for taking this up.

Unfortunately I have no way of verifying anything that's ever come out of Tufty's mouth! They don't sound like him but it's not great form to accuse another journalist of making up quotes, either

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Unfortunately I have no way of verifying anything that's ever come out of Tufty's mouth! They don't sound like him but it's not great form to accuse another journalist of making up quotes, either

My first reading of that would suspect they are entirely fabricated quotes. Can’t think of an interview where he’s been asked about the subject and the tone is entirely wrong too.

Wilder concentrates on our strengths an rarely slags the other people off - if ever.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I felt (biased as I am) that Vince Cable's calling Boris Johnson a Liar at the Liberal Undemocrat Conference was sailing as close to the wind as an MP ever should outside the House.

He was relying on Johnson's better nature and status as Minister of one of the Great Offices of State, not to get sued.

(I'm biased too). The fact that the Head of Statistics has said in civil service speak that Boris's use of statistics here was a regrettable distortion (can't remember the exact words), I think it's pretty clear that what he meant in plain English was that Boris was lying. As Boris has been caught out before (he has been sacked for lying), I think any opposition politician would welcome a libel case. Cable presumably felt free to say this outside the House because he is confident of his ground. If any of this post is libellous, my account has been hacked.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

My first reading of that would suspect they are entirely fabricated quotes. Can’t think of an interview where he’s been asked about the subject and the tone is entirely wrong too.

He is quoted in the original Times article. I suspect the non-Wilderlike nature of these are from translating it into Spanish, then Google Translating them back to English.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

He is quoted in the original Times article. I suspect the non-Wilderlike nature of these are from translating it into Spanish, then Google Translating them back to English.

Fair - You could be right. Certainly can’t imagine him slagging all foreigners off.

It’s partially our scouting network that means we don’t have these players

 

[super_pig]

bovvered?? am i bovvered?
bullfighting .. paella.. do you know Seve Ballesteros??
nah .. not bovvered

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Unfortunately I have no way of verifying anything that's ever come out of Tufty's mouth! They don't sound like him but it's not great form to accuse another journalist of making up quotes, either

Can't you politely ask him for his sources? The first quote is something I can imagine him saying in some shape or form after the Bolton match. The second one is a bit stranger, but possible. But being asked about how he voted on Brexit? I think if the journalist does not answer a polite request for his source, we can then at least draw our own conclusion. The Brexit question is malicious - is he really suggesting Wilder is refusing to sign European players because of his politics? Wilder's employers would not be impressed, I assume.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

bovvered?? am i bovvered?
bullfighting .. paella.. do you know Seve Ballesteros??
nah .. not bovvered

So if you believed that United were deliberately not signing good players who are available to any English football club because of the manager's politics, you wouldn't be bovvered? I would be. And I imagine Wilder is not very keen on having his reputation as a manager trashed.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Here is the actual quote from Chris Wilder:-

“League One is a unique division and we’d struggled for many years to get out of it, so we had to go down a different route. I wanted players here who I knew and had been successful in the division.

I wanted players who know the way around that division, and know what it’s like on Tuesday night in some far away northern outpost and can deal with that, so that’s the foundation of it, that is why it’s British [and Irish] based."We are open, now we are in the Championship, to broadening our horizons."

Here is the quote that appears in the Vanguardia:-

“Having only British players should not be interpreted as a political position on my part.

“The players of these islands are more focused than the Spaniards or Brazilians to travel on a Tuesday night to Bolton and fight not only against the rival but against the wind, rain and cold. That in the dressing room we speak a single language fosters integration and a climate of friendship.”

 

[Sean Thornton]

Done. http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...spanish-newspaper-over-squad-policy-1-8763111

Complete with simplistic and inaccurate comment on Athletic Clubs current "Basque policy".

 

[Sean Thornton]

Unfortunately I have no way of verifying anything that's ever come out of Tufty's mouth! They don't sound like him but it's not great form to accuse another journalist of making up quotes, either

Anything? Ever?

Ears or even better, a recording device?

RS interviews even.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Here is the actual quote from Chris Wilder:-

“League One is a unique division and we’d struggled for many years to get out of it, so we had to go down a different route. I wanted players here who I knew and had been successful in the division.

I wanted players who know the way around that division, and know what it’s like on Tuesday night in some far away northern outpost and can deal with that, so that’s the foundation of it, that is why it’s British [and Irish] based."We are open, now we are in the Championship, to broadening our horizons."

Here is the quote that appears in the Vanguardia:-

“Having only British players should not be interpreted as a political position on my part.

“The players of these islands are more focused than the Spaniards or Brazilians to travel on a Tuesday night to Bolton and fight not only against the rival but against the wind, rain and cold. That in the dressing room we speak a single language fosters integration and a climate of friendship.”

That settles that issue. And I take it he wasn't asked his views on Brexit?

 

[Pinchy]

It's presented as factual rather than an opinion piece IMO, so honest opinion might be a struggle. In this climate, I'm sure a lawyer could argue being presented as 'Mr Brexit' could be damaging to someone's reputation

I think a lawyer might point to a number of reasons why defamation is a complete non-starter. He/She might also wonder rhetorically where 'honest opinion' features in the law.

Personally, I wouldn't know.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

 

[Sean Thornton]

That settles that issue. And I take it he wasn't asked his views on Brexit?

Tufty thought Brexit was like a Basque version of Peroni

Carlos said he didn't even know where Brexit was let alone let Tunaman find and sign him a player from there.

 

[TTMeysh]

I have to say, my reaction to this is more to despair about how we can expect to do a deal with these fuckers than it is to worry about whether Tufty's reputation is being 'defamed'.

In its own tiny way, the article confirms the view that a lot of Europeans have got t' mardy-on that we no longer want to be a part of their club, and are desperately thrashing round for reasons for it other than the EU being a bit shit.

 

[stringer]

Anything? Ever?

Ears or even better, a recording device?

RS interviews even.

Yes, I follow him round all day recording everything he says to everyone

 

[The Crab]

Tufty thought Brexit was like a Basque version of Peroni

Carlos said he didn't even know where Brexit was let alone let Tunaman find and sign him a player from there.

When Carlos was asked for his thoughts on Brexit he said "Is most important meal of day. I like to start with Pastel De Nata and Expresso"

 

[super_pig]

So if you believed that United were deliberately not signing good players who are available to any English football club because of the manager's politics, you wouldn't be bovvered? I would be. And I imagine Wilder is not very keen on having his reputation as a manager trashed.

ultimately we can sign who we like i don't give a shit what the Spanish think
clarified?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yes, I follow him round all day recording everything he says to everyone

Instead of getting snotty, read what you said.

Here, I'll help you

"Unfortunately I have no way of verifying anything that's ever come out of Tufty's mouth!"

 

[stringer]

Instead of getting snotty, read what you said.

Here, I'll help you

"Unfortunately I have no way of verifying anything that's ever come out of Tufty's mouth!"

Haha fair point! That'll teach me about posting on the move. Sorry ST!

 

[Sean Thornton]

Haha fair point! That'll teach me about posting on the move. Sorry ST!

No need to apologise, you'd be here all day

 

[blade too long]

View attachment 31020 Spain is a net receiver of EU funding, therefore when a net contributor (i.e. Britain) leaves, then they will have less grant from the EU.

Living in a famously depressed town in the North of England, but having travelled to Coruña at the height of the Spanish 'depression' and yet finding it infinitely better off and better appointed than any Northern English City and having witnessed brand new railway stations in Spain, travelled on superb brand new trains, having travelled on decadent outdoor escalators in Toledo etc. etc. ........

..........I drew the conclusion that Spain was pulling a fast one, it's accountants as sly as those of the German (read EU) Government are complaisant.

One awaits the result of the forthcoming vote on separation in Cataluña with interest, nor am I bothered by this newspaper's reaction to it.



Vanguardia is only anti-Brexit because Brexit may hit them in the wallet, to attack a relatively minor football club and it's (publically) apolitical manager shows some desperation.

"it's the economy stoopid"

of course Spain dont want us to leave , over the past 40 years theyve probably been the biggest net benefactor with a completely overhauled transport infrastructure , of massive investment in rail and road improvements maybe 10 times better than the UK s had
Theres several empty airports like Corvera in Murcia , one near Villareal that cost 100s of millions as testimony to the money theyve sucked out of us
we should not negotiate anything ,just pull out and say weve put more in than taken out , bye
there is no need to have talks about a settlement , they owe us and we can use Spain as a prime example

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Unfortunately I have no way of verifying anything that's ever come out of Tufty's mouth! They don't sound like him but it's not great form to accuse another journalist of making up quotes, either

Having seen extracts from the Times article, and as one of your defenders on here, I am disappointed to have read this. I wouldn't want you to jeopardise your employment, and I have no experience of journalism, but as the Spanish journalist appears to have made things up, is it not appropriate for you as a journalist and a Blade to ask him for his sources, and in particular when Wilder refused to say how he voted in the referendum? He does call Wilder Mr Brexit, and leaves the allegation in the air that player recruitment is influenced by Wilder's politics. If he is not willing to tell you where his information comes from, we can more convincingly draw our own conclusions. It is a gratuitously nasty article.

 

[stringer]

It is a gratuitously nasty article.

Sounds like you have made your mind up!

 

[Bladesman]

I have to say, my reaction to this is more to despair about how we can expect to do a deal with these fuckers than it is to worry about whether Tufty's reputation is being 'defamed'.

In its own tiny way, the article confirms the view that a lot of Europeans have got t' mardy-on that we no longer want to be a part of their club, and are desperately thrashing round for reasons for it other than the EU being a bit shit.

The EU president to the remaining EU countries:

 

[vorpal blade]

biggest net benefactor

I like it because I agree with the spirit of what you said, just not this bit!

beneficiary is I think how it's spelt, bene fishery is something to do with Spanish Trawlers and the common fisheries policy but thats how the word I am trying to spell is pronounced.

 

[diode_blade]

They are more scared of us just walking away and telling them to fook off we are not going to have a trade deal with you....and that's not me saying that but a quote from a friend of mine who lives and works in Brussels

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

They probably reckon we should have had more white Spanish players in our time, fewer black players.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/05/s...ts-racism-football-atletico-madrid/index.html

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Hmmmmmmm...I've never used an iPad. Try holding down the n key for a second and see if any options pop up, including ñ.

It works! Viva España. Thank-you señor HighfieldBlade.