Missed opportunity this window.

[Revolution]

Sticking my neck out here for a first post but isn't the best way to make a statement of intent in the league to win league games?

It is. The better players you have, the more games you will likely win.

Better players cost more.

 

[Ricky]

I think the January transfer window is more known for its over-inflated prices than the summer one generally, so we may have a better understanding of what we need to bring in, but doubt we'll be getting bargains in January.

We could well get some bargains in January. I expect a lot of our focus to be on players whose contracts are expiring, as it was last time.

 

[Foody]

It is. The better players you have, the more games you will likely win.

Better players cost more.

Hence why the free spending Middlesbrough have been incredible, where as Cardiff (who have only paid a fee for two players) are really struggling.........

Money buys you higher rated players, not necessarily better ones. Sure money helps, But it's far from guaranteed success; look at Villa!

 

[Revolution]

Hence why the free spending Middlesbrough have been incredible, where as Cardiff (who have only paid a fee for two players) are really struggling.........

Money buys you higher rated players, not necessarily better ones. Sure money helps, But it's far from guaranteed success; look at Villa!

Cardiff have spent more than we have. They will finish above us. So will Boro.

Of course money doesn't guarantee success but I am getting a little tired of this weird groupthink developing on here that it's a good thing we've spent less than other teams. It isn't. It puts us at a competitive disadvantage.

As I have said before - we have a great manager. He's spending well. Why wouldn't we want to give him as much cash as possible?

 

[secretchief]

Cardiff have spent more than we have. They will finish above us. So will Boro.

Of course money doesn't guarantee success but I am getting a little tired of this weird groupthink developing on here that it's a good thing we've spent less than other teams. It isn't. It puts us at a competitive disadvantage.

As I have said before - we have a great manager. He's spending well. Why wouldn't we want to give him as much cash as possible?

Post-transfer window, we now have a clear indication of the club's strategy and how they intend to deploy resources going forwards.

I think it's highly likely that the next costly strategic mistake, should it occur, will come from the board miscalculating what it now takes to be competitive in the championship in terms of spending.

I say this off the back of a largely competent performance from the board over the last 18 months. Prior to that, we've had out pick of damaging strategic errors over the last 10 years.

 

[BushBlade]

Cardiff have spent more than we have. They will finish above us. So will Boro.

Of course money doesn't guarantee success but I am getting a little tired of this weird groupthink developing on here that it's a good thing we've spent less than other teams. It isn't. It puts us at a competitive disadvantage.

As I have said before - we have a great manager. He's spending well. Why wouldn't we want to give him as much cash as possible?

Maybe the board did give him as much as possible. The Prince has only guaranteed a set amount, it won't be a continual £5m (for example) indefinitely until we go up and we won't be getting £5m in add ons every year so perhaps CW is making sure we don't waste any of it. Maybe he'd rather not spend it than spend it on players he's not convinced are worth the money, and save it for when the players he really wants are available at a price he thinks is acceptable.

It's a difficult balance between getting in players to progress and making sure the money invested doesn't go on average championship players who'll be taking wages for three years and won't really improve us much, like so many of the signings we saw in L1.

I think I read CW will be reviewing the window with the board to look at areas we can improve on. That may include his own valuations. There was so much wrong with the club when he took over, so much work to do, that it's going to take time to sort everything out. You can't reverse ten years of mismanagement overnight.

 

[Benny and the Blades]

Well let's see what happens before we start the sack cloth and asher bit, spending £10,000,000 guarantee's you nothing but a larger wage bill......

 

[Harrisblade]

Cardiff have spent more than we have. They will finish above us. So will Boro.

Of course money doesn't guarantee success but I am getting a little tired of this weird groupthink developing on here that it's a good thing we've spent less than other teams. It isn't. It puts us at a competitive disadvantage.

As I have said before - we have a great manager. He's spending well. Why wouldn't we want to give him as much cash as possible?

Vincent Tan is estimated to be worth $1.3 billion (£996 million)

Kev McCabes FAMILY wealth is estimated to be £200 million
Prince Abdullah (personal - not family) estimated at £94 million so not really same ballpark

Steve Gibson also wealthy (£165 million in 2012) but in addition 'Boro got £99 million for their one season IN the PL, followed by approx £47 million and £38 million parachute payments over next 2 seasons

Maybe being "competitive" with teams like these is just a little more difficult than it first looks?

 

[Revolution]

Vincent Tan is estimated to be worth $1.3 billion (£996 million)

Kev McCabes FAMILY wealth is estimated to be £200 million
Prince Abdullah (personal - not family) estimated at £94 million so not really same ballpark

Steve Gibson also wealthy (£165 million in 2012) but in addition 'Boro got £99 million for their one season IN the PL, followed by approx £47 million and £38 million parachute payments over next 2 seasons

Maybe being "competitive" with teams like these is just a little more difficult than it first looks?

Of course it is.

So why did we say the budget would be competitive, or words to that effect?

 

[raul]

Of course it is.

So why did we say the budget would be competitive, or words to that effect?

We won't have done......

 

[EmleyMoorBlade]

I'm not sure if I'm the only one but, the idea of buying our way out of this league, by gambling millions on big names, who play purely for their own personal financial interests and have no emotional investment in the club, is considerably less appealing than the way we are currently going about it.

I am confident that with Wilder in charge, Sheffield United will be promoted from the Championship within three years. When we go up, I want to see scenes like last year, where fans and players alike are out celebrating together. Players that fulfil all of Wilders desired personality traits, who will battle and die for the club, not some tattooed poser from London on forty grand a week, who'll be back down the M1 the minute the final whistle blows.

I love watching United humbling teams that have cost £40 million plus. Derby, for all their talent, were chasing shadows last week. United are the hardest working team in the Championship and will more than hold their own and a large part of that, is down to the fact that a lot of opposition teams are full of big earners with big reputations, but no bollocks. I have total trust in Wilders 'character before reputation' recruitment policy, I know we'll succeed and more importantly the club will have a sound financial base for the benefit of many future generations, when there will very possibly,be only one professional team in Sheffield

Top post.
We have a proper team again for the first time in years. Living proof that the chafing of money grabbing prima Donna's is NOT the future
Given time Wilder will take the club a long long way
UTB

 

[PokerBlade]

It's all a bit hard to say when we haven't had enough games to get a real impression of the standard we're at relative to the division. We dominated Barnsley, but then they were crap, except they beat Forest and then rolled over Sunderland. We beat Derby quite comfortably, but they gifted us the goals. The Brentford fans insisted we fluked it, but they're yet to win a game. Boro outplayed us for large periods, but it was a narrow victory in dodgy circumstances, and they've outspent everyone. Cardiff showed all our weaknesses, but have won all five opening games.

We haven't made a big purchase, but Bolton are under an embargo, Burton couldn't afford to buy one of our players, Millwall have less than us, Barnsley sold players last year and are always on a tight budget, and ultimately if we find three worse teams this season will be a big success.

Basically, it's not hard to spin things either way but none of us really know where we stand until we've played a fair bit more football.

I think we all want to see exciting, quality players sign for us, and we're probably all a bit disappointed that there wasn't a huge statement demonstrated by any of our individual recruitments. But that alone doesn't mean we've done nothing. We've made some shrewd experienced signings in Stearman and Donaldson, we've got some up and comers with a point to prove in the likes of Stevens, and we've already got Fleck and O'Connell that personally I'm amazed we haven't seen sizeable bids for.

Let's be fair, us not selling one of: Brooks, O'Connell, Fleck is as big a statement as we've made in my memory. And not having paid over the odds in desperation for someone mediocre is a sign of real positive change in our approach to recruiting.

Yeah, I'd quite enjoy seeing us flashing the cash, but then we'd be talking about what a waste and a huge gamble it would be to spend 1.2m on Devante Cole, or maybe being blissfully unaware that Sinclair's agent had absolutely had our trousers down.

Let's see if we keep doing the business where it matters, out on the pitch, because hopefully this conversation will remain purely academic.

 

[JJBlade]

IMO it's not the just fees that have stuffed any deals but wage demands won't have helped. Whatever the fee required you can bet your bottom dollar that wage demands will double or treble the total outgoings.

For example, if a fee for a player is £1,000,000 and his wage demands are, say, £10,000 a week, then his wages over 156 weeks (3 year contract) will be £1,560,000. Plus agent fees and any bonuses on top.

How much money would a £5,000,000 player want each week? We aren't in that league yet.

We don't have to sign £5 million pound players, but if we are moaning about £1 million pound players and £10,000 a week wages we really ought to go back to League One where we belong

Not all players we buy will be a success but buying good players is never a bad investment, buying 8 or 10 crap ones instead of two good ones is.

And our fans more than any other should know that

 

[derfblade.3]

Cardiff have spent more than we have. They will finish above us. So will Boro.

Of course money doesn't guarantee success but I am getting a little tired of this weird groupthink developing on here that it's a good thing we've spent less than other teams. It isn't. It puts us at a competitive disadvantage.

As I have said before - we have a great manager. He's spending well. Why wouldn't we want to give him as much cash as possible?

 

[Harrisblade]

Of course it is.

So why did we say the budget would be competitive, or words to that effect?

Heaven forbid that anyone in this club should say anything fucking slightly positive!!!!!

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

We don't have to sign £5 million pound players, but if we are moaning about £1 million pound players and £10,000 a week wages we really ought to go back to League One where we belong

Not all players we buy will be a success but buying good players is never a bad investment, buying 8 or 10 crap ones instead of two good ones is.

And our fans more than any other should know that

We aren't moaning about it, I thought Wilder was the one saying not paying that, not worth it. Or is the inference that he's just a 'Yes' man?

 

[LSF]

we really ought to go back to League One where we belong

Of all the crap you post on here, and crap it most certainly is...
This one surpasses itself in 'crapness'!

 

[Harrisblade]

buying 8 or 10 crap ones instead of two good ones is.

Do you think that because CW isn't buying high priced players,he'd shrug his shoulders and buy crap ones instead - or do you honestly believe that you can't buy a good player for less than £1 million?
None of our squad cost anywhere near £1 million, are they all crap?

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Of course it is.

So why did we say the budget would be competitive, or words to that effect?

What exactly does this mean?

Competitive in terms of other budgets in the division? Who would seriously think that?

Competitive in terms of compiling a squad that will hold it's own or better this season? Time will tell on that one, early days!

 

[Silent Blade]

It is. The better players you have, the more games you will likely win.

Better players cost more.

Ebbrel? Hammond? Brayford? Hendrie? Kilgallon? Horsfield?

 

[JJBlade]

Do you think that because CW isn't buying high priced players,he'd shrug his shoulders and buy crap ones instead - or do you honestly believe that you can't buy a good player for less than £1 million?
None of our squad cost anywhere near £1 million, are they all crap?

No, there's lots of decent players that don't cost a lot of money. We've just been in for them, and still didn't get them.

 

[JJBlade]

Of all the crap you post on here, and crap it most certainly is...
This one surpasses itself in 'crapness'!

You're the one talking crap you moron.

Like so many others you read a post but don't have the intelligence to break it down and understand it. Just go shooting your gob off instead.

I said, If a club pisses it's pants about signing a player because he costs a million pounds they don't belong in Championship football.
And that goes for any club

 

[JJBlade]

We aren't moaning about it, I thought Wilder was the one saying not paying that, not worth it. Or is the inference that he's just a 'Yes' man?

Maybe he does believe that
If he ever moves on from United we will see what his transfer policy really is

Can't imagine he'll resign himself to bringing Clayton Donaldson to Liverpool because everybody else is overpriced and have dodgy agents

 

[Harrisblade]

No, there's lots of decent players that don't cost a lot of money. We've just been in for them, and still didn't get them.

And which of them did we not get because we didn't come up with the price asked for eventually by the football clubs involved that CW wanted

 

[Kev Gee]

We can't spend money we dont have. We have tried to spend our money and had bids accepted but as ever it was those pesky agents.

 

[Harrisblade]

No, there's lots of decent players that don't cost a lot of money. We've just been in for them, and still didn't get them.

And which of them did we not get because we didn't come up with the price asked for eventually by the football clubs involved

Maybe he does believe that
If he ever moves on from United we will see what his transfer policy really is

Can't imagine he'll resign himself to bringing Clayton Donaldson to Liverpool because everybody else is overpriced and have dodgy agents

Don't imagine he will but then, every aspect of the situation will be completely different but I bet he still wouldn't pay £93 million for ANYONE

 

[LSF]

You're the one talking crap you moron.

Like so many others you read a post but don't have the intelligence to break it down and understand it. Just go shooting your gob off instead.

I said, If a club pisses it's pants about signing a player because he costs a million pounds they don't belong in Championship football.
And that goes for any club

You're pretty shit at comedy too.
Not bad on name calling though I'll grant you that...

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

You're the one talking crap you moron.

Like so many others you read a post but don't have the intelligence to break it down and understand it. Just go shooting your gob off instead.

I said, If a club pisses it's pants about signing a player because he costs a million pounds they don't belong in Championship football.
And that goes for any club

I`m not quite sure whether I`m understanding you correctly. Let`s say we were to be promoted this season without signing a million pound player. Do you think that in those circumstances we should request to be relegated to league one ?

 

[georgebernardshaw]

We don't have to sign £5 million pound players, but if we are moaning about £1 million pound players and £10,000 a week wages we really ought to go back to League One where we belong

Not all players we buy will be a success but buying good players is never a bad investment, buying 8 or 10 crap ones instead of two good ones is.

And our fans more than any other should know that

 

[SB_90]

Maybe he does believe that
If he ever moves on from United we will see what his transfer policy really is

Can't imagine he'll resign himself to bringing Clayton Donaldson to Liverpool because everybody else is overpriced and have dodgy agents

Tottenham are premier league version of Wilder. they have finished in top 4 sometimes top 2 with i think the 9th/10th biggest budget.
bought erikson for 12m
brought Kane rose winks & walker peters from academy
Bought players from lower leagues & overseas gems, like walker, alli, dier, son & vertonghen