McCabe has to go

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Not at all we have made the best value for money signings easily. But that's down to wilder. Imagine what he could do if he could have spent the whole sell on fees we received. Again we have spent nothing compared with what we have received

It would seem that we put in several sizeable bids for various players and were willing to spend more than we have. For various reasons these did not come off, but I think serious attempts were made to bring in more decent players. So now we carry on, keeping our powder dry, and see what opportunities present themselves come January.

 

[Houston_Blade]

The one that makes me laugh is the line that McCabe and the fake Sheik are putting millions in every year just to keep us afloat. Are we a special sort of club? Don't the rest of the championship have exactly the same expenses? Not all have parachute payments or billionaire owners and a lot have to survive on crowds of sub 15,000 not the 25k + that we enjoy. A £5-6m windfall and we still can't afford to bring a bit of pace through the door.

They reserve the right to pump millions in or not, they do plug the gap with their own cash as do other clubs owners. They are just unwilling to pump even more in for frivolous transfers and wages. I fully understand why and accept that they don't, as a result we'll be midtable this season.

It's clear that they are looking for further investment and hopefully with a good season behind us we'll be a good investment for someone.

I personally like the fact that we aren't throwing money around and buying the kind of player whose only advantage is to their own and their agents bank balances.

 

[Grizzly blade]

WisewBlade89

Owners- He has tried to find investors, but quite rightly has questioned the intent and reasoning behind any suitors. Do you really think tuna man has any interest in Sheffield? Any interest in the pigs. Like all these foreign owners it's about fiddling money. Football is an unlicensed, unregulated industry that is bent to the core, yet has billions of pounds floating about. These dodgy owners from foreign shores can use football to make their often illegally gained monies legal, in some cases creaming state funds out for themselves. Don't be so fucking thick to believe that if a billionaire Blades fan turned up wanting to lose money KM wouldn't step aside.

Money- how do you know we haven't been trying to spend the sell on fees? Do you know for sure if they have been paid even? You are rambling on because we haven't spent it and typically want to lay blame at the owner as usual. You say we haven't spent enough to back him, so what's enough? Put a figure on it. Oh, and tell me exactly how much we have spent already by the way...,bearing in mind we have paid several fees this window and signed 10 players. The word ambition keeps being floated about.,,,yet it's never quantified by types like you. Just rants with no substance.

How about this for ambition.....a club that has lost over £30m pounds while in league one, has just spent more than any of the clubs who were promoted with them. On top of that, they have secured players like Coutts (value say£2m min?), Bash (£1m?) and Freeman (£1m) to longer term deals. It was also revealed that Brooks...you know the player everyone said would be sold, and is attracting a LOT of premier league interest also signed a new deal not long back and guess what....IS STILL HERE!! Along with Fleck...and someone who is also making a bit of a name, JOC! Perhaps they were being ambitious when approaching Chelsea and Spurs for some of their rising stars.....one of which has played firs team games.


So, WisewBlade89 how about engaging a bit of brain and thinking about things before talking such utter crap.

 

[Benny and the Blades]

It took to government intervention and a million pound debt right off to get Wendy out of the mire last time using your kind of thinking metal, they may not be so Lucky next time...

 

[INTAKE BLADE]

I understand your frustrations wiseowl, oops I mean wiseblade
Fuck those Agents is what the owners and possibly Chris are saying, and I agree

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

If we are to get anywhere in the next few years McCabe has to sell up along with the fake sheikh.

This window was the perfect opportunity to show a bit of ambition. Nothing crazy just the opportunity to back wilder and see what he can do with a bit of sensible investment. Considering we've received 6/7 million in sales.

And we have spent nothing we've made a profit of 4/5 million. McCabe please leave

Be careful what you wish for.

Just ask fans of Coventry, Portsmouth, Forest, etc - there's a long list.

This isn't Championship Manager. This real life, where grown ups live.

Don't you go back to school next week? Ask a teacher to explain it to you...

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

WisewBlade89

Owners- He has tried to find investors, but quite rightly has questioned the intent and reasoning behind any suitors. Do you really think tuna man has any interest in Sheffield? Any interest in the pigs. Like all these foreign owners it's about fiddling money. Football is an unlicensed, unregulated industry that is bent to the core, yet has billions of pounds floating about. These dodgy owners from foreign shores can use football to make their often illegally gained monies legal, in some cases creaming state funds out for themselves. Don't be so fucking thick to believe that if a billionaire Blades fan turned up wanting to lose money KM wouldn't step aside.

Money- how do you know we haven't been trying to spend the sell on fees? Do you know for sure if they have been paid even? You are rambling on because we haven't spent it and typically want to lay blame at the owner as usual. You say we haven't spent enough to back him, so what's enough? Put a figure on it. Oh, and tell me exactly how much we have spent already by the way...,bearing in mind we have paid several fees this window and signed 10 players. The word ambition keeps being floated about.,,,yet it's never quantified by types like you. Just rants with no substance.

How about this for ambition.....a club that has lost over £30m pounds while in league one, has just spent more than any of the clubs who were promoted with them. On top of that, they have secured players like Coutts (value say£2m min?), Bash (£1m?) and Freeman (£1m) to longer term deals. It was also revealed that Brooks...you know the player everyone said would be sold, and is attracting a LOT of premier league interest also signed a new deal not long back and guess what....IS STILL HERE!! Along with Fleck...and someone who is also making a bit of a name, JOC! Perhaps they were being ambitious when approaching Chelsea and Spurs for some of their rising stars.....one of which has played firs team games.


So, WisewBlade89 how about engaging a bit of brain and thinking about things before talking such utter crap.

I actually think tuna man does have Wednesdays best interest at heart and they could very easily and probably should have been promoted in the last couple of seasons, just because he's Thai doesnt make any difference. Pretty sure McCabe has used the blades more than the Tuna man to his own gain through property portfolios etc ...

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Be careful what you wish for.

Just ask fans of Coventry, Portsmouth, Forest, etc - there's a long list.

This isn't Championship Manager. This real life, where grown ups live.

Don't you go back to school next week? Ask a teacher to explain it to you...

As I've said I'm not asking or expecting boom or bust investment alike to Wendy , but there has to be investment from the board.
Watford,Huddersfield,Brighton,Bournemouth.
all invested in the championship.

 

[The Crab]

I actually think tuna man does have Wednesdays best interest at heart and they could very easily and probably should have been promoted in the last couple of seasons, just because he's Thai doesnt make any difference. Pretty sure McCabe has used the blades more than the Tuna man to his own gain through property portfolios etc ...

With respect, I don't see how that can be. So far, he's changed the badge and the kit. As comical as I might find that, I just don't understand how that can be having the best interests of the club at heart. Seems more like some sort of rich guys ego trip to me.

 

[Enigmatic]

Wrong in the past 2/3 years Leeds / Birmingham / wolves / Wendy / have all got new owners and are now splashing the cash and showing the ambition to go up.
Are we in a better position for an investor than all those I'd say yes were debt free which is likely the most important thing for an investor

So why hasn't someone bought the club? It's all well and good sat behind a screen spouting this bollocks, but the reality is you have no idea how a football is run and you're not privy to its expenses. You know no facts. Yet you continue to spout this drivel... that because we've received money this summer as a windfall, this is therefore free money for us to spend. And all of it is available to pay for transfer fees alone, never mind wages, never mind agent fees, never mind running costs.

Do you know whether these windfalls were received as a lump sum? Do you know how much of it we can realistically afford to spend? My guess is that you don't. Yet you continue to peddle this myth that our owners, who have a vested interest in the success of this football club financially (and in McCabe's case, as a supporter too), are scheming bastards who don't have the interests of our club at heart. Ignorance, sheer ignorance.

The facts we know are that Wilder has some money to spend, evidenced from the reports of failed bids for players such as Cole, Leonard, Egan, Lenihan etc. The reason those didn't go through was not 'penny pinching', it was because of the logistics of football. Agents being agents, clubs changing minds, clubs refusing to sell for a price that would give us value for money (yes, strange concept isn't it - not just 'splashing the cash'). Yet in your eyes because we haven't paid well over the odds like a lot of clubs are doing, throwing money in a big gamble that they'll get to promised land, we're somehow failing as a club?

We're building something, sensibly, affordably, sustainably... the right way. Have a bit of long term vision and patience.

 

[super_pig]

Hahahah ok mate so your happy with the board of your club showing 0 ambition , we should have spent money without the incoming sell ons. We have made 4/5 mill this transfer window.
Looks like McCabes happy to ride the wilder wave and show that he doesn't have to invest in the team.

And no I'm not asking for a boom or bust transfer spending just a few decent up and coming signs to show we're ambitious in the championship. WE HAVE SPENT NOTHING

'your' club.. 'your' ??
wisewood owl more like

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I think some folks are making a big assumption here that the reason we didn't bring more players in is purely down to money. I think it's not entirely down to that. From what I hear we were making the bids on several players but in some cases clubs were reluctant to let them go and in other cases the agents were playing games and trying to get assurances in the contract on guaranteed first team playing time, etc. I'm afraid that the last day of the transfer window is often like this for a lot of clubs. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I wouldn't blame McCabe or anyone at the club for this tbh. At the end of the day it sounds like we genuinely tried and Wilder was given the blessing to go out there and get his men. He'll be a bit disappointed not all the deals came off but I'm pretty sure he won't be blaming the board for not backing him - so why should we?

 

[Revolution]

Be careful what you wish for.

Just ask fans of Coventry, Portsmouth, Forest, etc - there's a long list.

This isn't Championship Manager. This real life, where grown ups live.

Don't you go back to school next week? Ask a teacher to explain it to you...

It is a relief that we went up. Last season we could only say "we're not Portsmouth - be careful what you wish for!"

 

[Sean Thornton]

I actually think tuna man does have Wednesdays best interest at heart and they could very easily and probably should have been promoted in the last couple of seasons, just because he's Thai doesnt make any difference. Pretty sure McCabe has used the blades more than the Tuna man to his own gain through property portfolios etc ...

Ticking all the boxes one by one. I'm sure these Chinese billionaires pick Scarborough because of United.

Have you got to the hotel yet?

You do speak rather wistfully of the Pigs though, it has to be said.

The simple fact is that our owners don't have the money that the owners of some clubs do. Once you grasp that, then maybe you can see why much of your rant is superfluous to any sensible discussion.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I actually think tuna man does have Wednesdays best interest at heart. Pretty sure McCabe has used the blades more than the Tuna man to his own gain through property portfolios etc ...

Come on......how do you expect to be taken seriously.

Another attention seeking wind up merchant.
You are either naive in a child like way or a Pig fan.

Do you really believe a billionaire just plants a pin into a map and says "I now support them and will give them millions of my own money and I'm not bothered about seeing a return".

He's a business man and doesn't give a toss about SW unless his investment can provide a profit.

Mark my words....if Wednesday don't get promoted we'll see how much he loves their club.
He rarely communicates and treats their fans with contempt charging rip off prices for everything.

Wednesday seem to have a "boom or bust" policy and it could very easily all end in tears.

 

[Gimli]

Pleased to see this OP has been treated with th contempt it deserves.

 

[Revolution]

Come on......how do you expect to be taken seriously.

Another attention seeking wind up merchant.
You are either naive in a child like way or a Pig fan.

Do you really believe a billionaire just plants a pin into a map and says "I now support them and will give them millions of my own money and I'm not bothered about seeing a return".

He's a business man and doesn't give a toss unless it can provide a profit.

Mark my words....if Wednesday don't get promoted we'll see how much he loves their club.
He rarely communicates and treats their fans with contempt charging rip off prices for everything.

People say this every year about Chansiri. Every year more money goes in and the Pigs' league position improves, rather than dismantling the team after a playoff loss like we do. I'm not convinced he should be judged by our standards.

 

[raul]

People say this every year about Chansiri. Every year more money goes in and the Pigs' league position improves, rather than dismantling the team after a playoff loss like we do. I'm not convinced he should be judged by our standards.

In keeping with the new spirit of S2 these days - I smell Pork.

 

[Sean Thornton]

In keeping with the new spirit of S2 these days - I smell Pork.

I think it's just frustration to be fair. Rancid bitter old frustration

 

[itsinyerblood]

In keeping with the new spirit of S2 these days - I smell Pork.

Genuine question raul, do your nostrils only pick up this scent when you're on the forum, or is it constant 24/7? Not much worse than a troubled hooter!

 

[Revolution]

I think it's just frustration to be fair. Rancid bitter old frustration

Give me some credit Sean. I've been very generous to the club today. I've freed you to spend more time defending McCabe against other members of the angry mob.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Give me some credit Sean. I've been very generous to the club today. I've freed you to spend more time defending McCabe against other members of the angry mob.

I tried to be angry myself last night but not being surprised shocked or baffled at the events unfolding, I just couldn't do it.

 

[Barney]

That'll depend on whether you're a buyer or a seller.

Exactly
When we're selling - "When a players head gets turned there's nothing you can do"
When we're buying - "Can't force clubs to sell"

 

[Westran]

Exactly

When we're selling - "When a players head gets turned there's nothing you can do"

When we're buying - "Can't force clubs to sell"

Both situations are true, it isn't a case of our board picking one to suit their argument, both of those statements have an impact on the outcome of negotiations, for example:


Player A - Bright prospect playing in league 1, likely to play international football with exposure at the highest level, bid comes in, it’s clear the player wants to go, he feels that if he doesn't, his development will be hampered = "When a players head gets turned there's nothing you can do"


Player B - Experienced player at league 1 and Championship level, isn't expected to improve or play at the highest level. A bid is placed for this player by a team in the same league or the league above. The player is happy where he is or happy to see his contract out but would also be open to a move, it's then down to his parent club to decide whether they need to sell.


It’s all subjective dependant on each different situation, just because the club gives a reason, it doesn't mean it's all a conspiracy and the reason is made up to pacify fans.

 

[Harrisblade]

Exactly
When we're selling - "When a players head gets turned there's nothing you can do"
When we're buying - "Can't force clubs to sell"

Wasn't that what I said??????

 

[Harrisblade]

He'll be a bit disappointed not all the deals came off but I'm pretty sure he won't be blaming the board for not backing him - so why should we?

You don't honestly think anyone on here gives a toss about what Wilder thinks about his support from the board do you?

 

[Enigmatic]

People say this every year about Chansiri. Every year more money goes in and the Pigs' league position improves, rather than dismantling the team after a playoff loss like we do. I'm not convinced he should be judged by our standards.

I don't think the Blades of old should be judged by the same standards either. The way the club has been run in the past is not reflective of how it is currently run. We have changed a lot in a short space of time. Our current model is working well, wouldn't you say?

Meanwhile, Wednesday have spent vast sums of money and still fallen short. They appear to have regressed this season and are lumbered with aging players and a wage bill that would make your eyes water. They don't play an attractive or entertaining brand of football and there is no connection between the club and its fans. They waste money, we're careful with ours.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

I'm actually not that bothered that we've not brought anyone in; a striker would have been nice but not the end of the world.

It does make me laugh though, the "you can't force teams to sell" comments coming from the same people who trot out the "when bigger teams come in, you haven't got a choice" mantra.

And also the line other clubs need to get a replacement before selling only applies to other clubs.

Murphy McDonald Blackman Beattie etc were all sold without replacing them before hand or even afterwards!

 

[stringer]

Where did I say that? I've made myself as clear as possible, you're either not understanding or you're deliberately choosing to come up with a ridiculous straw man argument.

Say for arguments sake the losses are £5m this year and United received £5m in sell-on fees. (Pure speculative figures for argument's sake). You're arguing the owners should cover the £5m themselves and leave the same amount for transfers, yes? How's that work with Financial Fair Play and SCMP?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Say for arguments sake the losses are £5m this year and United received £5m in sell-on fees. (Pure speculative figures for argument's sake). You're arguing the owners should cover the £5m themselves and leave the same amount for transfers, yes? How's that work with Financial Fair Play and SCMP?

We are no longer operating under SCMP rules and FFP is about restricting cumulative losses, currently over a three year period. Transfer fees are written off over the life of the players contract not in one lump sum.

Isn't the point that there doesn't appear to have been much in the way of additional investment in this window, as seemingly was promised?