Old big nose

[Sean Thornton]

Didn't Warnock's brother (John?) have some input as well? NW's significant contribution was his insistence that if he had to sell players to keep the club afloat, then 25% of the receipts went into the running of the academy.

John did yes. Nice bloke.

The 25% bit sounds uncommonly like one of Warnocks Walter Mitty stories. I'd be surprised if he knew where the academy was.

 

[Bayingblade]

Would he? I'm a big fan of Wilder, but I wouldn't be confident of him definitely being a success at that level.

For all the talk of Warnock being completely out of his depth, for a side that were nearly universally tipped to be relegated he was within a single goal of proving them all wrong. The fact we were still in with a chance of survival on the final day was in itself higher than most people's explectarions for us.

But the fact that we were 10 points clear at one stage and he still blew it says it all to me. IMHO all our woes over the last 10 years can be traced back to the January transfer window in the PL. That's when Warnock blew it and we still haven't recovered.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

He inherited the worst team in red & white I have seen my time that was definitely going down and that includes the Martin Peters team , kept em up and turned the club around to one that competed at the other end of the table not to mention a couple of semi finals . A very very good manager at championship level as proved with X number of promotions with several clubs , but not good enough for the PL as we know

 

[Gimli]

The two most successful Blades managers in my lifetime - Bassett and Warnock.
The two managers who are discredited more often than the rest...you guessed it!
Only in S2.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The two most successful Blades managers in my lifetime - Bassett and Warnock.
The two managers who are discredited more often than the rest...you guessed it!
Only in S2.

Neither of them are discredited more than Weir, Adkins, Adams or Blackwell. Talked about more yes. They both had great highs and sadly lows. Basset struggled badly towards the end, hardly surprising as the club was a compete basket case then, but struggle he did. I'd say his achievements were better than Warnocks though and put him up their with John Harris.

 

[Gimli]

Neither of them are discredited more than Weir, Adkins, Adams or Blackwell. Talked about more yes. They both had great highs and sadly lows. Basset struggled badly towards the end, hardly surprising as the club was a compete basket case then, but struggle he did. I'd say his achievements were better than Warnocks though and put him up their with John Harris.

That's probably a fairer assessment - discredited may be the wrong word (as is 'their' ).
Think the two of them achieved a lot, I will remember both for making me proud to be a Blade, and don't think the criticism they have received is particularly fair. But each to their own of course.

 

[fuerstenberger]

When I stopped playing I lost interest in football. I barely looked at results. The last 4 Warnock years, with us, were the years that reignited my excitement in the Blades and sparked my interest in football again. I knew people at Palace and they all said he brought a real energy and desire to the place. From the top, right down to the tea ladies.

Say what you want about the bloke, he tends to leave clubs with more enthusiastic and enlarged support than when he started. He can obviously motivate players and other people involved with a club. If I had achieved what he has in management, then I dare say I would be arrogant. In my book he has the right to behave like a Cnut, I don't like it personally, but he has earned that right. He is, in my view, a character and English to boot, something the game sadly lacks.

 

[Sean Thornton]

When I stopped playing I lost interest in football. I barely looked at results. The last 4 Warnock years, with us, were the years that reignited my excitement in the Blades and sparked my interest in football again. I knew people at Palace and they all said he brought a real energy and desire to the place. From the top, right down to the tea ladies.

Say what you want about the bloke, he tends to leave clubs with more enthusiastic and enlarged support than when he started. He can obviously motivate players and other people involved with a club. If I had achieved what he has in management, then I dare say I would be arrogant. In my book he has the right to behave like a Cnut, I don't like it personally, but he has earned that right. He is, in my view, a character and English to boot, something the game sadly lacks.

He was no different when managing non league. Didn't have to earn it. Moving up the ladder didn't really change him simply gave him bigger audiences.


He does do the job very well though.

 

[BushBlade]

When I stopped playing I lost interest in football. I barely looked at results. The last 4 Warnock years, with us, were the years that reignited my excitement in the Blades and sparked my interest in football again. I knew people at Palace and they all said he brought a real energy and desire to the place. From the top, right down to the tea ladies.

Say what you want about the bloke, he tends to leave clubs with more enthusiastic and enlarged support than when he started. He can obviously motivate players and other people involved with a club. If I had achieved what he has in management, then I dare say I would be arrogant. In my book he has the right to behave like a Cnut, I don't like it personally, but he has earned that right. He is, in my view, a character and English to boot, something the game sadly lacks.

People I knew who hadn't been for years started going again under Warnock. It's easy to forget how on our arses we were before he joined. We'd been a shambles for the best part of ten years. A joke with ex directors on the run, fake interest from a fake man, an uninterested owner, a divided board, shit players and the inevitable shit managerial appointments.
What Warnock did far outweighs his gobshiteness and his twattitude.

 

[blade67]

Of course Warnock's current team are "the best set of lad's I've managed". What's he supposed to say, they're the second best set after the Blades team he managed just to shut a few bitter Blades up. If you stop and think for a minute, all Warnock's teams are a great set of lads, that's how he moulds and motivates a team and that's his greatest attribute. That's also why he's still in demand as a manager at 70. Fucking hell, there's some delicate little flowers on here.

Exactly. When he arrived, Heath had just told everyone these players weren't good enough, Warnock's first statement was how great they were and the players and fans responded. Its all part of the Warnock magic. He's a very successful championship manager, bit not quite good enough for the PL.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

The hooter was out of its depth (and that's a very long way!) in the Prem as it always has been.

He was a hooter's length away from keeping us up. Hardly "out of his depth" for a team expected to come straight down.

 

[ghandi]

Too true PN81 and built the academy which has produced for us . I think both Warnock & Wilder have a lot of respect for each other . Be an interesting battle .

Warnock did not build the academy.

 

[Booker4]

Gut feeling, and not really based on any facts or ITK, Warnock would never and will never be back whilst Mcabe is here.

With Weir and Clough, I think we're back to hindsight again. Weir was a bit left field, but I sort of saw the logic. Few of us would have known what a Clusterfuck that would turn into and quickly.

Aye I was pleased when we got Weir. That said the shortlist was between Rob Page, Keith Curle - highly rated at the Lane according to Shield! and Wally chuffing Downes! Then up pops Weir and it felt like we'd appointed Mourinho! I get the impression Warnock would have returned but McCabe for some reason never wanted him back, which explains why he wanted rid of him after relegation when most of our fans would have been more than willing to give him another season to get us back.

 

[Booker4]

He was a hooter's length away from keeping us up. Hardly "out of his depth" for a team expected to come straight down.

I agree totally there. Fans that say he was out of his depth are very harsh. We got 38 points and that was a decent total and would often keep teams up. We also lost Rob Hulse to injury. I may not like Warnocks comments post leaving us but I rate him very highly as a manager.

 

[CrookesBlade]

As I recall Warnock had no previous top flight experience. Therefore I don't understand why people thought he had proven he couldn't manage in the Premiership after we had gone up?

Also maybe each set of lads just happens to be better than the last?

 

[Booker4]

Anyone seen this from his press conference today!?

"To think when I took over it was 8,000 crowds and when I left it was 25,500 average. A new stadium almost, new training ground, a fabulous time of my life really

Article in full - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...effield-united-clash-evokes-memories-13475895

Classic Warnock bull making out that we were on crowds of 8,000 and when Warnock left we were on 25,000 thanks to the great job he did! Now yes he did a great job and he should have never been sacked but we were never a club that were around 8,000! He's referring to the 8,965 crowd we got against Port Vale but that was the lowest we got all season and crowds were also much lower across the board back then. We got more last season than we did in our first season back in the top flight for example, but that's also testiment to how loyal our fan base. The season before Warnock came we averaged 16,200 and then in the season when Warnock came we were averaging 12,500. I've looked it up honest! Sad I know!

He says in the article how he'd love to beat us tomorrow. Fair enough Neil, but you know what, Wilder's United will be so up for it as much if not more than them and if I was there tomorrow I'd definitely be singing Warnock what's the score if we're winning or hopefully win! I'd love it if we beat them tomorrow to be honest. Nothing to do with Cardiff, just Warnock.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Anyone seen this from his press conference today!?

"To think when I took over it was 8,000 crowds and when I left it was 25,500 average. A new stadium almost, new training ground, a fabulous time of my life really

Article in full - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...effield-united-clash-evokes-memories-13475895

Classic Warnock bull making out that we were on crowds of 8,000 and when Warnock left we were on 25,000 thanks to the great job he did! Now yes he did a great job and he should have never been sacked but we were never a club that were around 8,000! He's referring to the 8,965 crowd we got against Port Vale but that was the lowest we got all season and crowds were also much lower across the board back then. We got more last season than we did in our first season back in the top flight for example, but that's also testiment to how loyal our fan base. The season before Warnock came we averaged 16,200 and then in the season when Warnock came we were averaging 12,500. I've looked it up honest! Sad I know!

He says in the article how he'd love to beat us tomorrow. Fair enough Neil, but you know what, Wilder's United will be so up for it as much if not more than them and if I was there tomorrow I'd definitely be singing Warnock what's the score if we're winning or hopefully win! I'd love it if we beat them tomorrow to be honest. Nothing to do with Cardiff, just Warnock.

If proof were needed he's full of shit, there it is in his own words.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Anyone seen this from his press conference today!?

"To think when I took over it was 8,000 crowds and when I left it was 25,500 average. A new stadium almost, new training ground, a fabulous time of my life really

Article in full - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...effield-united-clash-evokes-memories-13475895

Classic Warnock bull making out that we were on crowds of 8,000 and when Warnock left we were on 25,000 thanks to the great job he did! Now yes he did a great job and he should have never been sacked but we were never a club that were around 8,000! He's referring to the 8,965 crowd we got against Port Vale but that was the lowest we got all season and crowds were also much lower across the board back then. We got more last season than we did in our first season back in the top flight for example, but that's also testiment to how loyal our fan base. The season before Warnock came we averaged 16,200 and then in the season when Warnock came we were averaging 12,500. I've looked it up honest! Sad I know!

He says in the article how he'd love to beat us tomorrow. Fair enough Neil, but you know what, Wilder's United will be so up for it as much if not more than them and if I was there tomorrow I'd definitely be singing Warnock what's the score if we're winning or hopefully win! I'd love it if we beat them tomorrow to be honest. Nothing to do with Cardiff, just Warnock.

When he left the average was over 30k. You can't accuse him of exaggerating over this one.

 

[Booker4]

When he left the average was over 30k. You can't accuse him of exaggerating over this one.

Aye true, but its the way its phrased on crowds of 8,000 and we were on our knees when he arrived and then along comes Warnock as our shining knight in armour and he regularly likes to praise himself. He doesn't need to do it is all I'm saying, everyone knows he's a great manager. He did really well at Notts, Huddersfield, Plymouth, United, Palace and Rotherham and now he's doing well at Cardiff. He doesn't mention though that his career was stalling somewhat and Oldham and Bury fans still don't rate the job he did there. Irrespective of the merits of his time at Oldham and Bury he was lucky to manage us, given that his spell at Oldham had gone badly and at Bury they weren't pulling up any trees from memory and their fans weren't sad to see him go.

The rest is history but he never seems to mention how good we were for him and he always says stuff like a hard core of our fans were against him, because he was a United fan! No Neil its because you blame everyone else when things go wrong and that really divided our fans opinion on him. I'll always be grateful to him for his spell at United but I think he lacks respect and integrity.

 

[Fanny magnet]

Anyone seen this from his press conference today!?

"To think when I took over it was 8,000 crowds and when I left it was 25,500 average. A new stadium almost, new training ground, a fabulous time of my life really

Article in full - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...effield-united-clash-evokes-memories-13475895

Classic Warnock bull making out that we were on crowds of 8,000 and when Warnock left we were on 25,000 thanks to the great job he did! Now yes he did a great job and he should have never been sacked but we were never a club that were around 8,000! He's referring to the 8,965 crowd we got against Port Vale but that was the lowest we got all season and crowds were also much lower across the board back then. We got more last season than we did in our first season back in the top flight for example, but that's also testiment to how loyal our fan base. The season before Warnock came we averaged 16,200 and then in the season when Warnock came we were averaging 12,500. I've looked it up honest! Sad I know!

He says in the article how he'd love to beat us tomorrow. Fair enough Neil, but you know what, Wilder's United will be so up for it as much if not more than them and if I was there tomorrow I'd definitely be singing Warnock what's the score if we're winning or hopefully win! I'd love it if we beat them tomorrow to be honest. Nothing to do with Cardiff, just Warnock.

Everything he's said is spot on
Bloke saved the club from oblivion and turned I to what it is today

 

[steve26272]

He is by far the biggest cunt in football, and that saying some, with all the cunts in the game. But nobody comes within a 100 miles of him in the cunt stakes.

his job was to stabilise the club, then get promoted. If you were to review his work as manager of our club how can you argue he wasn't a success? We got relegated on the last day, following west shams dealings, the FA's cover up (Twatvor Brooking led), and it's all Warnocks fault? Or is it Jags deliberate hand ball (another load of bollox)
mourinho does it, Fergie did it, it's part of the game, my god Brian Clough was doing it years ago! Leave out personality, he wasn't hired to create PR spin, he was hired to bring success which he did..
imagine you are the owner of a club, you would rather employ Adkins, Weir, Robson etc as they 'cone across better' than Warnock?
gerror thi sen.

 

[Booker4]

Everything he's said is spot on
Bloke saved the club from oblivion and turned I to what it is today

He did a great job mate. But in my view he doesn't need to justify himself and mention all the good stuff he did etc. It just makes him look insecure and it was all down to him when actually McCabe was instrumental in much of the legacy that he mentions. McCabe's made some big mistakes with us - not giving Warnock a new contact when we relegated was one of them - but he invested millions into the academy and started building the away end when we were still in the Championship in January when promotion was far from secure. A new stadium down to the success of Warnock is totally crap too! The Kop is still the same from 1992 so is the John Street from its inception in 1997, so is the South stand - minus plastic seats and the cladding - the Bramall Lane and the corners were done in Warnocks time but is that really due to Warnock!? I think McCabe should take far more credit there.

As a comparison, how often do you hear Harry saying how great a job he did? I've read Harry's autobiography and been to the 25 year anniversary dinner a couple of years back for the promotion in 1990 when Harry spoke. You never hear him saying stuff like when I took over crowds were 8,000 and then they were 25,000! They both did great jobs, but Harry has humility and Warnock doesn't. Even when we finished 8th and didn't make the play offs under Harry in 1995 the fans had him on the shoulders of the fans stripped down to his underpants. That was because of how much the fans loved Harry and his infectious personality, as well as what he'd achieved. Warnock never got that adulation - you can hear him say stuff on the videos on him like "They'll be booing me next week"! That's in reference to when our fans were singing there's only one Neil Warnock. He got stick solely because of his arrogance and lack of responsibility when things went wrong.

 

[Bayingblade]

As I recall Warnock had no previous top flight experience. Therefore I don't understand why people thought he had proven he couldn't manage in the Premiership after we had gone up?

Also maybe each set of lads just happens to be better than the last?

He had. Notts County. He took them down as he has done every time he's been in the top flight.

Gave us some good times though and the 2003 team was as exciting as any in the last 30 years. The best team in the division but the cup runs ultimately fucked us and he royally fucked up for the play off final. Having said that, I'm still convinced that if Michael Brown had scored that penalty, we'd have won.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

There's a film being made about Warnock.

Me, myself, and Neil.

 

[Bartleby]

There's a film being made about Warnock.

 

[Booker4]

He had. Notts County. He took them down as he has done every time he's been in the top flight.

Gave us some good times though and the 2003 team was as exciting as any in the last 30 years. The best team in the division but the cup runs ultimately fucked us and he royally fucked up for the play off final. Having said that, I'm still convinced that if Michael Brown had scored that penalty, we'd have won.

To be fair to Warnock, County stood no chance of staying up! It was amazing hat he'd got a team as small as County up there in the first place. He only had two chances of keeping teams up at the Prem. Once with County, once with us.

As for the play off v Wolves, their team was full of big names and on the day their experience seemed to count. Other than McCall we didn't have the big game experience and big transfer fee quality that they had in Paul Ince, Dennis Irwin, Mark Kennedy, Nathan Blake and Kenny Miller. Our luck just ran out that day. As you say if Brown had scored I think we'd have come back, at least to 3 - 2.

 

[Davalon]

Warnock should've gone when we got promotion to the Prem. When we got relegated he should've probably being kept, this was just two of his many clusterfuck decisions that McCabe made but we've moved on now and this has been discussed way too many times.

If KM could have found a way to dispense with Warnock that summer without upsetting the fans and alienating himself, I think he would have.

Even Warnock is happy to tell people he tried to get him to walk.

 

[Pinchy]

He had. Notts County. He took them down as he has done every time he's been in the top flight.

Relegation or sack every time. He's the Alan Partridge of the top-flight. He never got a second season.

That's why he likes the Championship, him. He should have got huge thanks and the sack before the Premiership season.

 

[Davalon]

Easy to say now but at the time it would have taken someone of exceptional fibre to do that. The fans would have been in uproar at the time. I don't care for Warnock but let's not forget he is one of only two managers in recent history to get us to the top division. It is no mean feat.

Maybe offer him a pathetically derisory contract so bad you hope he might walk

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Didn't Warnock's brother (John?) have some input as well? NW's significant contribution was his insistence that if he had to sell players to keep the club afloat, then 25% of the receipts went into the running of the academy.

<< When Warnock took over at Bramall Lane in December 1999, he knew that the club needed to start producing their own players again. "For some reason," he explains, "we had no youth policy at all anymore. So the first thing I did when I arrived was ask the board to build us an academy."

Three years on, and the centre is in full swing. Of the current first-team squad, no fewer than four players (Tonge, Nick Montgomery, Phil Jagielka and Ben Doane) came through the ranks. Warnock believes that a large part of the scheme's success is down to the academy's director. "And I'm not just saying that because he's my big brother," Warnock junior says. "Right from the off, John and I had a vision. We wanted to try to emulate what Ipswich have achieved. Selling one homegrown player every year is the only logical way we can survive." Should United fail to reach the Premiership this year, Tonge would almost certainly be the first to go, probably to Liverpool. "That's the reality," Warnock says, "and that's why we have to make absolutely sure we get promoted." >>

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-to-fulfil-role-as-man-of-destiny-123996.html