Who is the best player ever to play at Bramall Lane?

[Sean Thornton]

I'd argue that it's also to prevent your opponents from scoring more than you but Greaves was indeed a genius. Every modern day striker has a little bit of Greaves in them. I consider him to be one of the players who were so far ahead of their peers they shaped the way football has developed.

Robbie Fowler as the only truly comparable one? He wasn't bad was he?

 

[Bert]

I'd argue that it's also to prevent your opponents from scoring more than you but Greaves was indeed a genius. Every modern day striker has a little bit of Greaves in them. I consider him to be one of the players who were so far ahead of their peers they shaped the way football has developed.

Bert saw him play 5 times. He was simply the best.

 

[Bert]

Robbie Fowler as the only truly comparable one? He wasn't bad was he?

Yes Fowler was fantastic, bearing that in mind Bert would rate him 0.0001% as good as Greaves.

 

[BushBlade]

Robbie Fowler as the only truly comparable one? He wasn't bad was he?

That's a bold statement. I'll have to think about that. Our Keith must have modelled a lot of his play on him. I can't think of another striker we've had since who was as composed in one on ones.

 

[Sean Thornton]

That's a bold statement. I'll have to think about that. Our Keith must have modelled a lot of his play on him. I can't think of another striker we've had since who was as composed in one on ones.

Yes, but like JG, RF always did it at the top level.

 

[I should coco]

The sole purpose of football is to score goals and Greaves is the greatest British goalscorer that ever lived. Nobody even close.

When you say 'nobody even close', what about the bloke higher up the list than him?

Arthur Rowley got 434 league goals. Greavsie trailed miles behind with 357.

 

[BushBlade]

Yes, but like JG, RF always did it at the top level.

I'm not comparing Keith with either in terms of his career, just his style of play. I think after Fowler left Liverpool the first time he was never quite as good. I think there were other strikers around that were as good as Fowler but I'm not sure there was anyone as good as Greaves during his peak years. Before my time though tbf.

 

[Silent Blade]

When you say 'nobody even close', what about the bloke higher up the list than him?

Arthur Rowley got 434 league goals. Greavsie trailed miles behind with 357.

All of Greaves goals were in the 1st division

 

[BigBed]

Diego Degiralamo, he told me, so there!!

 

[Bert]

All of Greaves goals were in the 1st division

Correct Silent, all his goals were at the very highest level.
How many goals did Arthur Rowley get for England?

 

[Pinchy]

I remember that night very well, but just have no memory of the great man playing.

A side with some very decent players who Kendall got the best out of after Basset had lost the plot a bit. One for Pinchy to gloat over, and I'm sure he'll remind us that 'total football-ish' replaced 'hoof'.

Ultimately Kendall was a huge disappoint. His first (half) season was great and the football had me drooling. Second season we lost Cowans; recruited Spackman for the role, who was poor, and I found the football really sterile and nothing like as fluid. Hutchison, again, was ineffective for us. The all action, free-scoring midfielder did neither for us. He even hoofed it from time to time...

Then there was Charlie Green's puppet...

 

[Silent Blade]

Correct Silent, all his goals were at the very highest level.
How many goals did Arthur Rowley get for England?

Rowley scored 152 league goals for Shrewsbury who have never played in the top division. He scored 251 league goals for Leicester between 1950 and 1958 but two of the seasons were in the top division

 

[Pinchy]

Robbie Fowler as the only truly comparable one? He wasn't bad was he?

Ian Rush, I suggest.

 

[SW12 to S12 to S18]

For me it's got to be all of Moore, Greaves and Charlton R. Seeing any of these you felt you were in presence of greatness.

 

[Pinchy]

I'm from the more modern era & like in every sport its impossible to compare era but for me, the greatest all rounder is Jaques Kallis I put on a best international 11 thread, as batter Kallis was the 3rd highest test scorer with 13289 runs & had a higher batting test average than Sachin Tendulkar, Brian Lara, Ricky Ponting & Steve Waugh. then as a bowler he took more wickets than Michael Holding, Richie Benaud only a few short of Derek Underwood

Kallis is the best of your time. Gary Sobers the best of all time. Nobody else has any claim to that status. He was a genius with bat and two different styles of bowling. A true nonpareil.

 

[Pinchy]

For me it's got to be all of Moore, Greaves and Charlton R. Seeing any of these you felt you were in presence of greatness.

Moore wasn't much of a goal scorer.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Bergkamp - Pure class.

Passerella - Majestic.

Currie - Genius.

Bergkamp was a phenomenal footballer. For someone not blessed with the athleticism of some of the top modern players, the things he could do with a football were incredible. Zola is another I always think of in a similar vein. They're probably not as effective all round as an Henry or Ronaldo but they are such a pleasure to watch.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Kallis is the best of your time. Gary Sobers the best of all time. Nobody else has any claim to that status. He was a genius with bat and two different styles of bowling. A true nonpareil.

There may have been better with the bat, there may have been better medium-quick bowlers, there may have been better spin bowlers. But there has been nobody in the history of cricket that could do all three to the high level of Sir Garfield, to the point he was worth a place in a great test team just on his ability in any one of those.

 

[Pinchy]

There may have been better with the bat, there may have been better medium-quick bowlers, there may have been better spin bowlers. But there has been nobody in the history of cricket that could do all three to the high level of Sir Garfield, to the point he was worth a place in a great test team just on his ability in any one of those.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

That's another t-shirt opportunity. I'm going soft...

 

[Fanny magnet]

Cantana performed brilliantly at the Lane, including scoring one of his famous goals at the Kop end.

The guitarist ?

 

[I should coco]

ll of Greaves goals were in the 1st division

Correct Silent, all his goals were at the very highest level.
How many goals did Arthur Rowley get for England?

But you never mentioned the top division. You said:

The sole purpose of football is to score goals and Greaves is the greatest British goalscorer that ever lived. Nobody even close

I accept Greavsie's goals are of 'more importance', but Rowley got more.

Apology accepted.

 

[Pinchy]

Bergkamp was a phenomenal footballer. For someone not blessed with the athleticism of some of the top modern players, the things he could do with a football were incredible. Zola is another I always think of in a similar vein. They're probably not as effective all round as an Henry or Ronaldo but they are such a pleasure to watch.

I agree entirely. I don't put Dennis in my all-time top ten in terms of greatness but aesthetically he's up there. A sublimely elegant player that was quite simply a pleasure to watch.

I'm not one for applauding opponents, I'm far too Bladey for that, but I'd make an exception in his case.

 

[I should coco]

Ultimately Kendall was a huge disappoint. His first (half) season was great and the football had me drooling. Second season we lost Cowans; recruited Spackman for the role, who was poor, and I found the football really sterile and nothing like as fluid. Hutchison, again, was ineffective for us. The all action, free-scoring midfielder did neither for us. He even hoofed it from time to time...

It's all about opinions but I rated Hutchinson. I agree the football was nowhere near as good as the previous season culminating in the borefest first playoff final defeat.

Then there was Charlie Green's puppet...

Charles Green WAS the puppet, dangled on strings by Mike 'Man City' McDonald.

 

[Bert]

But you never mentioned the top division. You said:



I accept Greavsie's goals are of 'more importance', but Rowley got more.

Apology accepted.

You need to be in the General Chat section of this website. You'd go down well with Walthy and the gang.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I couldn't have put it better myself.

That's another t-shirt opportunity. I'm going soft...

I only caught the end of the great mans career. We all have regrets in life and one of mine is never having seen him play in a test match. My cricket CV seems incomplete. I've visited his homeland, I've been to the Kensington Oval in Bridgetown and I have seen his statue outside. But you could keep all that just to have seen him in a test.

 

[I should coco]

I'm not one for applauding opponents, I'm far too Bladey for that,

We'll make a hoofer of you yet.....

Only in S2, eh?

 

[LenTednTony]

Hard to say George best was better than Ronaldo, it's a totally different sport in those days, Ronaldo with his speed strength and fitness, would be scoring 10 goals a game if he played in George's era, George at his prime would struggle to get a kick in today's game at the top level it's moved on so much, the top players are world class athletes now

Totally disagree db. I think Best would still have commanded a place in one of the top 4. I also think he would have played for longer because of the strength of the current regimes and managers/support networks. I honestly believe that he was better than Pele. Would Pele hild a position in a top 4 team today? Probably yes.

 

[I should coco]

You need to be in the General Chat section of this website. You'd go down well with Walthy and the gang.

Do they take things as they written then and don't try to revise the question to suit?

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I agree entirely. I don't put Dennis in my all-time top ten in terms of greatness but aesthetically he's up there. A sublimely elegant player that was quite simply a pleasure to watch.

I'm not one for applauding opponents, I'm far too Bladey for that, but I'd make an exception in his case.

Strange how this isn't replicated in cricket. I have always acknowledged fine performances against Yorkshire or England that I've seen and thought nothing of it.

 

[Bert]

Strange how this isn't replicated in cricket. I have always acknowledged fine performances against Yorkshire or England that I've seen and thought nothing of it.

One of the best performances against United Bert has ever seen was from Duncan Ferguson for Newcastle, away in the cup.