Who is the best player ever to play at Bramall Lane?

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I should coco said:
A Maltby lad who moved to Skipton. He was still on TMS when I started listening and was tedious beyond belief. in fact he makes Boycott look self deprecating.

How's about:

Michael Palin (Blade)
Captain Cook
Guy Fawkes
Dick Turpin
Brian Clough
Alan Bennet
Eddie Waring
Joeseph Rowntree
Emily Bronte
William Wilberforce
Titus Salt
Harry Brearley
Amy Johnson
J B Priestley

I think miserable old Fred is well down the list
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Guy Fawkes played tennis or golf?
 

snootyfenooty said:
Can't believe we're onto 7 pages now and no mention of F.S. Trueman. Unquestionably the world's greatest ever Yorkshireman.
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However I can and moreover do believe that you didn't notice that I mentioned the great Sheffield United player on page one of this fred.

The 'world's' greatest ever Yorkshireman is, though tautologous, an interesting idea. Greatest living Yorkshiremen ? Alan Bennett, David Hockney perhaps - as for 'of all time' Guy Fawkes, Captain Cook ? - who was it said 'all great men are almost always bad men'....?

on reflection, I think Yorkshire Women have achieved more than our men, the Brontes probably have it as the greatest ever don't they?
 
Fanny magnet said:
He got 10 out of 10 in the papers the be t day.
Never seen that before or since
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He played us on his own in the second half. Hodges beat him late on and we won the first of our seven straight games.
 
Silent Blade said:
Think he got the same against Stoke 3 weeks later. Before the match the papers had billed it as "TC v Hudson show"
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I rated Hudson the same as TC. He was another player blown out by Revie due to his "workrate". I detest this guy with a passion. It's unthinkable these days that players of this calibre would be lining up against each other in a United vs Stoke match.
 
snootyfenooty said:
I rated Hudson the same as TC. He was another player blown out by Revie due to his "workrate". I detest this guy with a passion. It's unthinkable these days that players of this calibre would be lining up against each other in a United vs Stoke match.
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Hudson drank himself out of the game, which wasn't Revie's fault.
 
Revolution said:
He played us on his own in the second half. Hodges beat him late on and we won the first of our seven straight games.
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Yeah I remember the game well ,one point blank save from a bradders header sticks in the mind
Clough had said on tv that Shilton had "shot it " the week before ,cheers for that cloughy
 
Revolution said:
Hudson drank himself out of the game, which wasn't Revie's fault.
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Not quite. In his international debut against Germany he played a blinder but got castigated by Revie for not playing to plan. He only played once more as his face didn't fit as he had the temerity to challenge Revie. He liked a drink in his heyday (as did most players of that era) but he was nowhere near the scale of Best. His serious problems with booze came later and you could even attribute some of this to Revie for the way he treat him. Revie was a cunt.
 
snootyfenooty said:
Not quite. In his international debut against Germany he played a blinder but got castigated by Revie for not playing to plan. He only played once more as his face didn't fit as he had the temerity to challenge Revie. He liked a drink in his heyday (as did most players of that era) but he was nowhere near the scale of Best. His serious problems with booze came later and you could even attribute some of this to Revie for the way he treat him. Revie was a cunt.
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He played against Cyprus when England won 5-0. He didn't get very involved and Revie never picked him again.

I don't see how Revie is at fault for Hudson's injuries, alcoholism, lack of discipline, and general truculence which basically saw him fall out with all his managers.

Hudson is bitter about Revie, perhaps rightly so, but his worst enemy was himself. Same as Best.
 
Revolution said:
He played against Cyprus when England won 5-0. He didn't get very involved and Revie never picked him again.

I don't see how Revie is at fault for Hudson's injuries, alcoholism, lack of discipline, and general truculence which basically saw him fall out with all his managers.

Hudson is bitter about Revie, perhaps rightly so, but his worst enemy was himself. Same as Best.
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Read this.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2010/apr/17/england-malcolm-macdonald-cyprus-1975

Revie finished off the international careers of a lot of players. The Cyprus match you refer to Hudson was played on the wing - set up to fail. The irony of that era was that England had loads of players who could cut it at international level but at the same time had one of the most barren periods in their history.

Revie's idea of a midfielder was tied into his ethic of "workrate". This was defined as someone who tore around midfield like an idiot clogging opponents up in the air. That's why players like Storey were preferred to Currie and Hudson.

Outside of Leeds you must be the sole member of the Revie fan club.
 

snootyfenooty said:
Read this.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2010/apr/17/england-malcolm-macdonald-cyprus-1975

Revie finished off the international careers of a lot of players. The Cyprus match you refer to Hudson was played on the wing - set up to fail. The irony of that era was that England had loads of players who could cut it at international level but at the same time had one of the most barren periods in their history.

Revie's idea of a midfielder was tied into his ethic of "workrate". This was defined as someone who tore around midfield like an idiot clogging opponents up in the air. That's why players like Storey were preferred to Currie and Hudson.

Outside of Leeds you must be the sole member of the Revie fan club.
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I'm not a fan of Revie, but by the age of 27 Hudson was pissing around in Seattle in the NASL, thanks in part to his own truculence and instability. After Stoke sold him he had the grand total of half a good season in ten years. I just don't see how that's Revie's fault.
 
Revolution said:
I'm not a fan of Revie, but by the age of 27 Hudson was pissing around in Seattle in the NASL, thanks in part to his own truculence and instability. After Stoke sold him he had the grand total of half a good season in ten years. I just don't see how that's Revie's fault.
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It was Revie's fault in that as a manager, it's was up to him to work around the foibles of a particular player and his record shows that he was incapable of doing that. Otherwise players such as Greaves, Gascoigne and Adams would never have featured in an England shirt under managers who proved what could be done. Even Bobby Moore could drink for England. I think your comment that Hudson had half a good season is somewhat of an exaggeration but nevertheless it also begs the question what he could have done under a decent man-manager.
 
snootyfenooty said:
It was Revie's fault in that as a manager, it's was up to him to work around the foibles of a particular player and his record shows that he was incapable of doing that. Otherwise players such as Greaves, Gascoigne and Adams would never have featured in an England shirt under managers who proved what could be done. Even Bobby Moore could drink for England. I think your comment that Hudson had half a good season is somewhat of an exaggeration but nevertheless it also begs the question what he could have done under a decent man-manager.
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Hudson played well when Stoke got him back in 1983-4. That was his only good season after leaving them the first time.

Revie left the England job in 1977. Ron Greenwood called Hudson up in 1978 as a replacement after squad injuries. He refused to play, saying he should have been in the original squad. He's his own worst enemy.

Should Revie have persisted with Hudson for longer than 2 games? Of course.

Is Revie's discarding of the Hudson the reason why he fell off a cliff? No, I don't see it.
 
Pinchy said:
Ultimately Kendall was a huge disappoint. His first (half) season was great and the football had me drooling. Second season we lost Cowans; recruited Spackman for the role, who was poor, and I found the football really sterile and nothing like as fluid. Hutchison, again, was ineffective for us. The all action, free-scoring midfielder did neither for us. He even hoofed it from time to time...
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Completely agree. There are parallels with Clough when considering the difference between the first half-season and the full season that followed. Both built up a lot of expectation for the following season based on the football and results displayed. Neither were truly able to build on the foundations they laid. For the failure to replace Cowans (and to a lesser extent the late Gary Ablett) Clough had the losses of Coady & Maguire that weren't properly replaced.
 
Revolution said:
Is Revie's discarding of the Hudson the reason why he fell off a cliff? No, I don't see it.
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I didn't say Revie was the sole reason. I said he could have been one of the reasons. If Hudson had been given a run in the England team who knows how his career may have panned out. If every player who was a bit of a dickhead, i.e. Greaves, Adams & Gascoigne as mentioned above had been left out of the England team for the same reasons Hudson was then we would have been worse off for it. They got their chances, Hudson under Revie didn't. This is what I was getting at.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Have we had this one?

Sosnicine. Dynamo Kiev.

Might have spelled it wrong. But he was impressive. As were they. Anyone remember that game?

Edit: (Vadim Sosnikhin)
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Yes I do. I remember sausage machine because that's what his name sounded like to us young teenagers.
 
Back on topic, I see I had a go at this first time round, suggesting the Dynamo Kiev player, Sosnikhin. He was very good btw but I really just threw that one in to show off and be a bit different. :cool: I can tell I impressed a lot of folk with that suggestion! 😯

I'd say George Best was the most talented footballer I ever saw down at the Lane. It was popular to not like him, but you can't deny the lad had everything in his game and he could change a game by himself. Others that have really impressed me - Eric Cantona, Thierry Henry, Dennis Bergkamp. Then going back a bit further, Gordon Strachan (I know he's a chuff, but he was an excellent footballer), Kenny Dalglish. I'd love to have seen Jimmy Greaves play. I think he was still playing when I started watching but I never got to see him, apart from on TV. I think he was probably the most instinctive striker I've ever seen. I like flamboyant players, there were a load of them in the 1970's, Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles, Alan Hudson, Frank Worthington and not least, the great TC himself. I'm sure I missed a load of other names, but I'll stop there.

I think the quality of football has improved massively since those days - and footballers are athletes today. But I don't think we have the characters that we used to have. And players seem to be at the top of their game for much shorter periods of time now, whereas, back in the day, a player was a good player for their club for years - and they stayed with their club for years, sometimes a lifetime. And so did the managers. It was an era of "loyalty" back then. Something that doesn't really exist any more and the game is worse for it imo.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Others that have really impressed me - Eric Cantona, Thierry Henry, Dennis Bergkamp. Then going back a bit further, Gordon Strachan (I know he's a chuff, but he was an excellent footballer), Kenny Dalglish. I'd love to have seen Jimmy Greaves play.
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Thierry Henry and Dennis Bergkamp have never played at Bramall Lane.
 
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