General transfers/rumours

[Pinchy]

No
Your car has a definite book value

A footballer doesn't

Is that clear enough for you

It's clear that you're making a fool of yourself. As you say elsewhere, embarrassing.

 

[Pinchy]

So he's been lying to us then?

Repeatedly and unequivocally.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Maybe if we bought him that extra 265 season tickets would be sold

Maybe 5820 extra season tickets is not beyond the realms of possibility for our club if the public could see some ambition

It's not asking for miracles for a well supported championship club to offer a League One club the near asking price for their best player

It's actually embarrassing not offering it

Season ticket sales may go up if we spend £750k on each player but not of we only spend half of that?

 

[JJBlade]

So he's been lying to us then?

It's not lying
It's taking the responsibility away from the boardroom
It sounds great when a manager says these things but it sounds pathetic and small time when the boardroom says it

If Wilder was given enough cash Holmes and Leonard would be here by now regardless of what he is saying.

He would have just said " We've got two good players in at a very reasonable price"

He's not a complete moron and he knows that to get what he wants it might cost a few quid more than he was willing to pay

He knows the Sheffield United public, he knows what they want to hear and as soon as an offer for any player gets rejected he'll say the same thing again

It happens at every club when an offer is accepted it is made to look like we got what we wanted on our terms

 

[JJBlade]

It's clear that you're making a fool of yourself. As you say elsewhere, embarrassing.

Holmes and Leonard would already be here by now if Wilder was given enough cash

Any football manager that goes into negotiations with a "not a penny more" attitude is a fool

Wilder is not a fool

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's not lying
It's taking the responsibility away from the boardroom
It sounds great when a manager says these things but it sounds pathetic and small time when the boardroom says it

If Wilder was given enough cash Holmes and Leonard would be here by now regardless of what he is saying.

He would have just said " We've got two good players in at a very reasonable price"

He's not a complete moron and he knows that to get what he wants it might cost a few quid more than he was willing to pay

He knows the Sheffield United public, he knows what they want to hear and as soon as an offer for any player gets rejected he'll say the same thing again

It happens at every club when an offer is accepted it is made to look like we got what we wanted on our terms

If he says something that isn't true - because you say it isn't and it's simply PR - it's not lying?

You then make the statement about giving him more cash and they'd be here as an absolute fact when it's only your opinion. You want it all ways and as has been said, the underlying point is simply an attack on McCabe.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Holmes and Leonard would already be here by now if Wilder was given enough cash

Any football manager that goes into negotiations with a "not a penny more" attitude is a fool

Wilder is not a fool

Just either a liar or a board Patsy. Got to be one or the other.

 

[Chali 2na]

... and if we'd offered £750,000 for each of the two and they'd be here

(Based on nothing other than your opinion)

Sign them, put them under a longer contract and they are worth more than what we paid if they are as good as Wilder thinks they are

These players are not the Hammonds and Salmons of this world with no resale value or value to the team

Holmes is 30, so it's probably not the case with him, though I'd agree about Leanord

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Holmes and Leonard would already be here by now if Wilder was given enough cash

Any football manager that goes into negotiations with a "not a penny more" attitude is a fool

Wilder is not a fool

Wilder is clearly not a fool hence he is trying to get the best deal for the club. A lot of his mates are Blades and he has said bad deals are coming out of his mates' pockets.
You would be happy if he pays over the odds for Leonard and Holmes fees. Should he also pay over the odds for their wages?
If he no longer has the money left to loan a Premier League centre-back and keeper, would you be happy that Long and Wilson are good enough for the Championship?

 

[South Bucks]

Holmes and Leonard would already be here by now if Wilder was given enough cash

Any football manager that goes into negotiations with a "not a penny more" attitude is a fool

Wilder is not a fool

And also when a player from Plymouth decides to stay put rather than join us it would appear there is a common problem. I also subscribe to the view that if we showed more ambition we'd have bigger gates and revenue.

 

[sheffielder]

And also when a player from Plymouth decides to stay put rather than join us it would appear there is a common problem. I also subscribe to the view that if we showed more ambition we'd have bigger gates and revenue.

How do you know we were an option?

 

[EddieColquhoun]

And also when a player from Plymouth decides to stay put rather than join us it would appear there is a common problem.

When did Wilder tell you he was trying to sign Carey?

 

[EddieColquhoun]

I remember fondly the tears on here when Alex Revell chose to join Northampton. There's a few dummies coming out again.

 

[Chali 2na]

And also when a player from Plymouth decides to stay put rather than join us it would appear there is a common problem. I also subscribe to the view that if we showed more ambition we'd have bigger gates and revenue.

How do you know we offered Carey a deal?


...oh that's right, you don't.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I remember fondly the tears on here when Alex Revell chose to join Northampton. There's a few dummies coming out again.

And don't forget it was the end of the world when Tafothingy signed for Posh

 

[sheffielder]

I remember fondly the tears on here when Alex Revell chose to join Northampton. There's a few dummies coming out again.

Fuck be, bad times

 

[EddieColquhoun]

These players are not the Hammonds and Salmons of this world with no resale value or value to the team

Are you referring to the 1974 version of Geoff Salmons or the 2017 one?

 

[Snowman]

And also when a player from Plymouth decides to stay put rather than join us it would appear there is a common problem. I also subscribe to the view that if we showed more ambition we'd have bigger gates and revenue.

5,000 "walk ups" at say £30 per ticket equals £150,000.00 multiplied by 23 games equals £3.45 million. Lets add on a bit of catering but deduct the additional costs of stewarding etc. Lets just settle for around £3.5 million. Now what "ambition" in terms of transfer fee, signing on fee, wages, agents fees etc., would you suggest throwing at players to achieve that amount of clear revenue? IMHO if you think another 5,000 bodies are going to flock through our turnstiles because we have managed to sign Holmes and Leonard, the Messi and Ronaldo of League 1, please think again.

 

[LJBlade]

Holmes and Leonard would already be here by now if Wilder was given enough cash

Any football manager that goes into negotiations with a "not a penny more" attitude is a fool

Wilder is not a fool

You're twisting things. Nobody is saying anything about "not a penny more", that's come from you. All people are saying is that Wilder wouldn't spend more than he thinks a player is worth. You are saying that isn't correct and that it's the board that don't want to spend more

 

[Pinchy]

And also when a player from Plymouth decides to stay put rather than join us

Of course there is no evidence whatsoever of that. It seems to be a common problem for those with an agenda. But, undeterred by such niceties, they simply make things up.

 

[JJBlade]

Wilder is clearly not a fool hence he is trying to get the best deal for the club. A lot of his mates are Blades and he has said bad deals are coming out of his mates' pockets.
You would be happy if he pays over the odds for Leonard and Holmes fees. Should he also pay over the odds for their wages?
If he no longer has the money left to loan a Premier League centre-back and keeper, would you be happy that Long and Wilson are good enough for the Championship?

The reason that his Blade mates are paying for our past transfers is because they were shit players

After getting promoted we cannot compete with teams that have been in this Division years or those that have come down from the Premier League

We have to get the best from League One

We have to have them
Their clubs don't want to sell

This means a premium has to be paid

If the club don't want to pay the additional premium for the best that League One has to offer we might as well pack it all in now because a Championship player of any better standard than Hammond or Salmon is never going to come here, this year or any other

 

[Pinchy]

How do you know we offered Carey a deal?

...oh that's right, you don't.

Why on Earth would that matter? Every opportunity must be taken.

 

[JJBlade]

(Based on nothing other than your opinion)



Holmes is 30, so it's probably not the case with him, though I'd agree about Leanord

Yes Holmes probably not in terms of monetary value
But on the pitch for the next three years he could be very valuable

 

[Chali 2na]

Yes Holmes probably not in terms of monetary value
But on the pitch for the next three years he could be very valuable

Very true

 

[Ricky]

Fantastic signing for them, strange move for him. Strange player. His all round game is Championship level, but he's not scored goals for ages. Can understand him dropping a division, but L2?



What a blow that would be for Preston. I have them down as play off contenders this season. They're very nicely set. Losing Grayson would weaken them, and make Sunderland a force in all probability.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

The reason that his Blade mates are paying for our past transfers is because they were shit players

After getting promoted we cannot compete with teams that have been in this Division years or those that have come down from the Premier League

We have to get the best from League One

We have to have them
Their clubs don't want to sell

This means a premium has to be paid

If the club don't want to pay the additional premium for the best that League One has to offer we might as well pack it all in now because a Championship player of any better standard than Hammond or Salmon is never going to come here, this year or any other

You didn't answer the question.

Would you be happy paying over the odds for Holmes and Leonard if it means we then can't sign a centre back and keeper.

Would you be prepared to hire a corporate box for the season to help out our finances?

 

[South Bucks]

Carey thread post #7 but I guess you'll say Kevin Gage knows nowt also. Wake up and smell the coffee people, look at the evidence.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Maybe if we bought him that extra 265 season tickets would be sold

Maybe 5820 extra season tickets is not beyond the realms of possibility for our club if the public could see some ambition

It's not asking for miracles for a well supported championship club to offer a League One club the near asking price for their best player

It's actually embarrassing not offering it

EEL was a big favourite with the fans. After we've let Southend and Charlton have our pants down should we pay whatever Wolves ask for? £2.5m has beeen suggested by one media outlet. Should we pay whatever the price for the whole squad?

 

[I should coco]

Should we pay whatever the price for the whole squad?

Spend it.

GERREMIN

GERREMALLIN

It's okay, the Money Tree will sort it.

 

[Pinchy]

Carey thread post #7 but I guess you'll say Kevin Gage knows nowt also. Wake up and smell the coffee people, look at the evidence.

Is that it? I think I'd have kept quiet, to be honest...