Wilder on Ched

[coolhandluke]

No, you could not claim board interference means them giving an ok to a signing a manager has arranged, organised and completed completely on his own. Nor is it as black and white as your second sentence suggests. There are lots of grey areas in between. I don't know why you are insisting McCabe can't have been anywhere near it for Wilder to have been in control of the final decision.



But Wilder has said nothing of the sort.

Apologies here Hamburg , it looks like I misunderstood the original point you were making . I thought you'd listened to the interview and I didn't quote the full transcript as at 20 minutes I'd have still been doing it now .

Firstly , during the interview CW states quite categorically that his backroom team are and were privy to the signing of Evans .

Secondly , of course the Board were involved in the Evans signing . CW himself reports directly to the recruitment team in relation to signings , contracts , positions he's looking to strenthen in etc etc etc . These members of the team will of course report directly to McCabe on what's happening with all moves or potential moves in the transfer market . They have to do , McCabe's the owner/chairman , its how organisations like football clubs operate . I've never once claimed that CW works in some kind of bubble that exists in complete isolation from his back room team or the board .

Furthermore , from the very start of talks with Ched there is absolutely no way McCabe wouldn't have been aware that this was happening . But it's one thing saying this and another thing entirely saying McCabe's initiated the move , particularly when CW himself says he didn't .

 

[Grappler]

 

[coolhandluke]

Mate, it's clear. It's been brought up by others too. Is it worth dragging this out?

Yes , if you wouldn't mind , as in light of CWs interview i havent got a clue what it is that youre claiming .

 

[FMBlade1]

Nah, I'm saying that this insistence on taking the "party line" smacks of NorthKoreaTalkism, that's all.

Insisting that Chris Wilder is telling the truth smacks of talk from 'the other place'? Doubting that is smacks of KellyAnneConwayalternativefactsism, that's all.

You appear to be claiming that Wilder lied/misled us about the extent to which McCabe forced him to sign us, despite him clearly stating the contrary.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

it it's one thing saying this and another thing entirely saying McCabe's either initiated the move , particularly when CW himself says he didn't .

Where did Chris say "McCabe didn't initiate the move", Luke?

 

[coolhandluke]

Where did Chris say "McCabe didn't initiate the move", Luke?

Ok . With all due respect I'll leave it at that .

 

[FMBlade1]

Where did Chris say "McCabe didn't initiate the move", Luke?

Where did Chris say 'there isn't a spaghetti monster on the moon'? If he didn't say that there must be reason to believe that it exists

" It ultimately is my decision , I know that there has been a few bits and pieces flying round that you know its been pushed on me , I would not be at this football club if i was told to sign certain players , and that's a fact , I'd shake the owners hand and walk out the front door as i walked in the front door . I've said that all along , you know , my standing at the football club I'm not going to be a patsy to anyone i have to work with people but these are my decisions "

 

[Sean Thornton]

Nah, I'm saying that this insistence on taking the "party line" smacks of NorthKoreaTalkism, that's all.

Delicious irony.

 

[Mesut Özil's Lawnmower]

That should put that particular rumour to bed,it wont though

I'm one whose been on the cautious side of it, but no doubts for me now

Looking forward to seeing what the staff can do with Ched

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Insisting that Chris Wilder is telling the truth smacks of talk from 'the other place'? Doubting that is smacks of KellyAnneConwayalternativefactsism, that's all.

You appear to be claiming that Wilder lied/misled us about the extent to which McCabe forced him to sign us, despite him clearly stating the contrary.

FM, that's bollocks (as you probably know).

I'm definitely not claiming Chris Wilder was "forced" to sign Ched Evans. He explicitly says he wasn't. I fully believe him when he says that, and when he says that he ultimately made the decision, and in the other things he said in the interview. Why not?

The extent of the board's involvement in the transfer wasn't raised during the interview, and (hardly surprisingly) it's a subject that wasn't voluntarily offered up by Chris. It remains ambiguous - hence my initial comment all those pages back.

Anyway, Evans is here, Wilder's happy with the situation. Sorted.

Also, the moon's still orbiting and you're having spaghetti for tea (or summat like that).

 

[Robby Blade]

weird that given that a few months ago he was talking about how he wanted to earn a contract and play here

Maybe his girlfriend is homesick/can't settle in Sheffield.

 

[FMBlade1]

FM, you're talking bollocks (as you probably know).

I'm definitely not claiming Chris Wilder was "forced" to sign Ched Evans. He explicitly says he wasn't. I fully believe him when he says that, and when he says that he ultimately made the decision, and in the other things he said in the interview. Why not?

The extent of the board's involvement in the transfer wasn't raised during the interview, and (hardly surprisingly) it's a subject that wasn't voluntarily offered up by Chris. It remains ambiguous - hence my initial comment all those pages back.

Anyway, Evans is here, Wilder's happy with the situation. Sorted.

Also, the moon's still orbiting and you're having spaghetti for tea (or summat like that).

We know the extent of the board's involvement. Its none: 'I know that there has been a few bits and pieces flying round that you know its been pushed on me , I would not be at this football club if i was told to sign certain players'

Wilder denies that the signing was pushed, and it can be clearly inferred that it wasn't initiated by McCabe either. 'Ultimately' can here be interpreted as 'when all is said and done' that Wilder makes the decisions regarding transfers and that's it. All the board does is sign off the cheque at the end.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

We know the extent of the board's involvement. Its none: 'I know that there has been a few bits and pieces flying round that you know its been pushed on me , I would not be at this football club if i was told to sign certain players'

Wilder denies that the signing was pushed, and it can be clearly inferred that it wasn't initiated by McCabe either. 'Ultimately' can here be interpreted as 'when all is said and done' that Wilder makes the decisions regarding transfers and that's it. All the board does is sign off the cheque at the end.

The point is that you're inferring/interpreting from what Wilder has said, as you admit. So am I.

Was Wilder happy with a proposed transfer when he took the job on, subject to certain conditions? Maybe. Who knows? Whether or not, the move hasn't been "forced" on him.

Anyway though, who cares now? Evans is here. Wilder is happy with the situation.

Doesn't mean though that we've all got to agree on every nuance.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

We'll think of something, where there's a will there's a way

Oh no we won't!

 

[Valleyblade]

Good enough for me.

I flounced a bit when I heard he was resigning. I felt that trying to resign ched had been something of an obsession for Utd, pre-dating wilder, and was concerned.

If wilder wanted him I'm prepared to let the matter be.

Hope he finishes that "unfinished business"

 

[BushBlade]

This is how schisms in region start. People obsessing over the meaning of the words spoken by their God.

 

[FriethBlade]

So everyone really believes that when promotion was sealed Wilder thought I know what I really need,it's an injury prone striker who has scored 7 goals for the side bottom of the league and I'll get it all tied up now and risk spoiling our title party in the meantime ???

I have no problem with Ched coming back, it's a bit of a gamble and I was hoping for better but it's hard to really believe this is all Wilder's doing and his doing alone.

I also happen to think the word 'ultimately' hints at this but I realise to many on here that will make me a Mcabe hating Pig fan.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I went for the facial expression more than the accuracy of the picture,which i think Charlie portrayed very well,even if i say so myself,and in reply to your post casting doubt on my knowledge of Carry On stars,i offer the following retort

I smugly rebuke your retort:

 

[Norderner]

IMO You'd have to be the biggest football dunce in the world not to see the benefits of of why CW resigned Ched. If it comes off we'll have made the signing of the season. If it doesn't, we've lost championship buttons? It's a win, win.

 

[Davalon]

You were much better when you did the court reporting, FM.

He wasn't.

 

[Dkc]

The only ITK comment I've seen on this said that McCabe was reluctant and Wilder was more eagar

 

[Davalon]

So everyone really believes that when promotion was sealed Wilder thought I know what I really need,it's an injury prone striker who has scored 7 goals for the side bottom of the league and I'll get it all tied up now and risk spoiling our title party in the meantime ???

I have no problem with Ched coming back, it's a bit of a gamble and I was hoping for better but it's hard to really believe this is all Wilder's doing and his doing alone.

I also happen to think the word 'ultimately' hints at this but I realise to many on here that will make me a Mcabe hating Pig fan.

Agree totally.

My overriding gripe with the Ched saga is the 6 years of bickering and division between the fans. Even after one of the best seasons for decades where the fans have come together we're already back to this.

People will always have differing thoughts on this and there's nothing any of us can do about that.

Whilst there's still some silly comments in opposition to Ched, I find the gloaters more bizarre tbh.

Even if hardly anyone had shown dissent to this signing you still know that some on this thread would be starting stirring gloating threads about the haters if and when he manages to score his first goal.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Agree totally.

My overriding gripe with the Ched saga is the 6 years of bickering and division between the fans. Even after one of the best seasons for decades where the fans have come together we're already back to this.

People will always have differing thoughts on this and there's nothing any of us can do about that.

Whilst there's still some silly comments in opposition to Ched, I find the gloaters more bizarre tbh.

Even if hardly anyone had shown dissent to this signing you still know that some on this thread would be starting stirring gloating threads about the haters if and when he manages to score his first goal.

Stirring gloaters you say?!?

 

[Davalon]

Stirring gloaters you say?!?View attachment 26877

Keep 'em coming mate. I'm a right Carry On freak. Sid's a legend.

 

[northsomersetblade]

Keep 'em coming mate. I'm a right Carry On freak. Sid's a legend.

I'm not so sure, he has some weird other life in a dark place. I don't think I really want to go there

 

[LJBlade]

FM, that's bollocks (as you probably know).

I'm definitely not claiming Chris Wilder was "forced" to sign Ched Evans. He explicitly says he wasn't. I fully believe him when he says that, and when he says that he ultimately made the decision, and in the other things he said in the interview. Why not?

The extent of the board's involvement in the transfer wasn't raised during the interview, and (hardly surprisingly) it's a subject that wasn't voluntarily offered up by Chris. It remains ambiguous - hence my initial comment all those pages back.

Anyway, Evans is here, Wilder's happy with the situation. Sorted.

Also, the moon's still orbiting and you're having spaghetti for tea (or summat like that).

The boards involvement in any of the signings we've made has never been addressed so presumably it remains ambiguous in those instances as well?

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Oh shit are we going to suffer this the entire off season???

For the sake of everyone's sanity roll on August!

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It's his decision ... "ultimately".
It's not a signing that's been "pushed" on him or "forced" on him.
He won't be a "patsy".

Why does that mean the board merely "ratifying" the signing?

I've already said it's clear Chris is fine about the signing.

Suck it up

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Agree totally.

My overriding gripe with the Ched saga is the 6 years of bickering and division between the fans. Even after one of the best seasons for decades where the fans have come together we're already back to this.

People will always have differing thoughts on this and there's nothing any of us can do about that.

Whilst there's still some silly comments in opposition to Ched, I find the gloaters more bizarre tbh.

Even if hardly anyone had shown dissent to this signing you still know that some on this thread would be starting stirring gloating threads about the haters if and when he manages to score his first goal.

Tha'll be lucky to find 200 desenters.

That'll drop to 6 if he's got 3/4 goals by the end of August.

 

[bertieblade]

Ched has been signed for various reasons, but the main ones are football related.
His guy responsible for signing players :- Mitch, has seen first hand how Ched performed throughout pre season and beyond whilst he was at Chesterfield. He retains good contact with everyone at Chesterfield and knows what he can offer.
CW will gave been in contact with Danny Wilson and Morgan and been assured of his suitability to take us forward.
CW knows what Ched can offer when he gets him fit as he has seen him for himself when he used to play for the Blades.
CW hascsat Ched down and is impressed with his mental approach to prove something.
The scouting team have been monitoring his performances throughout his season at Chesterfield.
The medical team have given him a rigorous medical.
The fee is a steal for a player with his experience and potential.
It only starts to cost us real money if he is successful.

I had my doubts about board involvement, but either way, the football reasons make his signing a no brainer