Congrats to the McCabe family

[BladeInIreland]

It would make commercial sense as SU Ltd loses money every year. As does the FC of course.

We do owe him. Millions, no doubt about it, much of it down to his mistakes such as his biggest backing Red Wine Robbo to the hilt. That doesn't change the fact he's pumped cash in.

That's why I'd disagree, it was largely his mistakes that cost his money. He invested , unwisely, he should pay the price not us.

 

[Sean Thornton]

That's why I'd disagree, it was largely his mistakes that cost his money. He invested , unwisely, he should pay the price not us.

What's it cost you financially?

 

[BladeInIreland]

What's it cost you financially?

Nothing, the only thing I invested was my ticket money. Which would of been cheaper as we didn't do well. Why?

 

[Woodwardfan]

There you are Pomps, just the back up you need.

Now only one person was seemingly Pro McCabe which will come as a surprise to many.

And all to have yet another dig at a large number of posters who didn't fall at his feet.

He wanted people banned for less. And there was a final warning if I remember correctly. Maybe he's after a ban so he can blame others for his own stupidity.

Sad.

Within 15 minutes of my post on Easter Sunday Sean has yet another go and calls me 'sad'.

Sean. Just to put the record straight as regards 'sad'.

Give me permission to publish the two apologetic PM's dated 25th March 2017, entitled 'thank you' ' sent from you to me last month. Then our fellow Blades can judge you and me. It's as though you never wrote the messages.

You really are a complex individual.

 

[grafikhaus]

All for a bit of back slapping but let's not get carried away all he's done is righted a wrong of his doing 6 years ago. Credit where it's due though he stuck in there. The next actions (sell, invest or do it on the cheap) will be what I judge him by.

Apart from bad managerial decisions (most of which we supported at the time), it goes deeper than that. Have you ever looked up at your gutter and thought 'that'll need replacing soon' or your drive/roof etc. Well when you get to BDTBL tomorrow have a look at the property maintenance that McCabe is faced with. The stadium is fabulous and it's all down to him.

 

[Benny and the Blades]

Like it or loath it, Captain, Manager, and Chairman, Their all -

ONE OF OUR OWN

UTB

 

[northsomersetblade]

Hey Blades. I have flounced but as my last rhetorical post 'plus 2' I have to say where were you all 12 months ago?

84 likes for the O.P. Where were you 12 months ago?

I could have done with just half a dozen of you blokes supporting my pro-McCabe stance a year ago. WHF needed you all there too.

Where were you all? There were loads of the 'slashers', easy then for them.

At least Pommpey is still saying the same things, all the others have disappeared.

The nature of the forum is complicated. I must say I have more respect for Pommpey over this than the 84 above!!!!

 

[pommpey]

You really are the 'Captain of Hindsight'. You foresee all of the managers are rubbish, you would never sign the wrong player, every contract would be spot on, you can see legal issues and would have a top striker sitting on the bench for the last 4 games of the season, just in case and you did exactly what in your life?

In context, this thread is all about bestowing thanks and praise on McCabe and his family. I refute it. I refute it because of that hindsight, the hindsight which has the proof evident of shit appointments, shit player sales and shit ability to have a fall back option (be it either Hulse in the PL or Evans in the third division) If you think that (amongst other disappointing things) is worthy of praise and should be inaccessible as 'hindsight' then I respect your viewpoint, but disagree entirely.

I hear people when they say, "Aw, shurrup pommpey. We are up now just get with the programme, eh?" I get that. What I don't get is the undeserved gob-job shipped out to a bloke who has had a legion of fuck ups and failures which has sustained a dismal position for far too long. I have one thing to thank him for this season and that is not denying a capable manager like Wilder the impetus and momentum by flogging the team out from under his feet in the JTW. As he has done in the past, usually ending up in another failed attempt at getting up and the inevitable, expensive sacking of yet another hapless boss.

Let's see how committed he really is in the close season. This team may be good in Div One, but it doesn't take hindsight or foresight (whichever you choose) to see we need additions to stay up.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

on what basis do you say that McCabe has sold players?

In my experience it's usually managers that decide who stays and who goes and I've yet to see anything from any of our past managers to say that they haven't been backed to the hilt.

Sales take place because managers prioritise their requirements within their budget, not because the chairman wants to pocket the cash.

A bit disingenuous there Maidenhead. No one, not even me, suggests McCabe pockets the cash, not from anything. He is not bent, and never has been. I challenge anyone here to show us where he has been that way. If he were, he'd have been gone long ago. See Woolhouse.

I don't think there's any team manager at any level who has a stable set up or something he has during pre-season who suddenly says, "Look, to buy Martin Woolford I need to sell Jamie Murphy. I need to buy Michael Doyle, so, soz Kev MacDonald, off you go. I need a new centre back, so ta-ra Harry Maguire, hello Macevely. That doesn't spell out 'managing budgets'. It says 'offer made, sell the fucker and buy substandard replacements'. That doesn't come from the manager. How could it? How can any manager imagine we'd not start to ship goals without Maguire? How did any manager imagine we wouldn't have the threat out left without Murphy?

McCabe sold the players. The mere fact that he hasn't shat in his own (and our) chip bag this season is why we are up as Champions.

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

Who buys the players?

 

[pommpey]

Would James Beattie not constitute a "contingency" Pommpey?

He was superb for us. When he wasn't injured, sitting out bans and being a dick. 19 apps, 0 goals, 2 red cards. Clearly not the James Beattie we once had playing for us and given his disciplinary record, not a 'contingency'.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Who buys the players?

Who knows? I mean, everything is 'undisclosed' these days, so they could be bought for fuck all.

(ps - I know they aren't, Sean. Bear with me on this)

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

There you are Pomps, just the back up you need.

Now only one person was seemingly Pro McCabe which will come as a surprise to many.

And all to have yet another dig at a large number of posters who didn't fall at his feet.

He wanted people banned for less. And there was a final warning if I remember correctly. Maybe he's after a ban so he can blame others for his own stupidity.

Sad.

Any comment Sean? See below again..

Within 15 minutes of my post on Easter Sunday Sean has yet another go and calls me 'sad'.

Sean. Just to put the record straight as regards 'sad'.

Give me permission to publish the two apologetic PM's dated 25th March 2017, entitled 'thank you' ' sent from you to me last month. Then our fellow Blades can judge you and me. It's as though you never wrote the messages.

You really are a complex individual.

It was another of your attacks on me after you promised you wouldn't. Give me an excuse to publish.

 

[Bayingblade]

He was superb for us. When he wasn't injured, sitting out bans and being a dick. 19 apps, 0 goals, 2 red cards. Clearly not the James Beattie we once had playing for us and given his disciplinary record, not a 'contingency'.

pommpey

Why? Contingency is a plan. Whether it works or not is another matter. The fact is, we had contingency. It just didn't work. Not Kevin McCabes fault.

 

[pommpey]

Why? Contingency is a plan. Whether it works or not is another matter. The fact is, we had contingency. It just didn't work. Not Kevin McCabes fault.

So you'd say signing an aging journeyman is 'contingency' for Ched Evans?

Yeah. I see that Kev.

pommpey

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

So you'd say signing an aging journeyman is 'contingency' for Ched Evans?

Yeah. I see that Kev.

pommpey

Off tangent which I apologise for . Any thought on the Zurich building refurbishment at the top end of the park .

Me , always been a McCabe fan .

 

[pommpey]

Off tangent which I apologise for . Any thought on the Zurich building refurbishment at the top end of the park .

Me , always been a McCabe fan .

No comment. Nowt to do with the 90 minutes out on the pitch and I don't have much information about it, sorry LBoE

pommpey

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

No comment. Nowt to do with the 90 minutes out on the pitch and I don't have much information about it, sorry LBoE

pommpey

No problem . Hope you are well .

 

[Bayingblade]

So you'd say signing an aging journeyman is 'contingency' for Ched Evans?

Yeah. I see that Kev.

pommpey

Kev didn't sign him, Danny Wilson did. In the January. So more evidence that he was the contingency plan

 

[pommpey]

Kev didn't sign him, Danny Wilson did. In the January. So more evidence that he was the contingency plan

Irony is a bit lost on you Baying innit?

I was calling you 'Kev'. As in 'McCabe'

pommpey

 

[Revolution]

[QUOTE="Maidenhead, post: 1300376, member: 2343]

In my experience it's usually managers that decide who stays and who goes and I've yet to see anything from any of our past managers to say that they haven't been backed to the hilt.

Sales take place because managers prioritise their requirements within their budget, not because the chairman wants to pocket the cash.[/QUOTE]

You think Wilson was behind the sale of Blackman?

You think Weir wanted McDonald to be sold?

You think Blackwell wanted Beattie or both Kyles sold?

Really?

 

[Revolution]

He was superb for us. When he wasn't injured, sitting out bans and being a dick. 19 apps, 0 goals, 2 red cards. Clearly not the James Beattie we once had playing for us and given his disciplinary record, not a 'contingency'.

pommpey

I'm a McCabe critic but this is just Captain Hindsight territory.

We had Porter and Cresswell. We signed Beattie, Hoskins and O'Halloran. We had a free scoring midfielder in Williamson. We did not weaken during the transfer window.

McCabe deserves criticism for many decisions he's made but at the time there was a contingency plan and the manager was backed (2011 was the only close season when a key player was not sold, for example). It wasn't McCabe's fault that Evans went down and these striking options didn't work out.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

In context, this thread is all about bestowing thanks and praise on McCabe and his family. I refute it. I refute it because of that hindsight, the hindsight which has the proof evident of shit appointments, shit player sales and shit ability to have a fall back option (be it either Hulse in the PL or Evans in the third division) If you think that (amongst other disappointing things) is worthy of praise and should be inaccessible as 'hindsight' then I respect your viewpoint, but disagree entirely.

I hear people when they say, "Aw, shurrup pommpey. We are up now just get with the programme, eh?" I get that. What I don't get is the undeserved gob-job shipped out to a bloke who has had a legion of fuck ups and failures which has sustained a dismal position for far too long. I have one thing to thank him for this season and that is not denying a capable manager like Wilder the impetus and momentum by flogging the team out from under his feet in the JTW. As he has done in the past, usually ending up in another failed attempt at getting up and the inevitable, expensive sacking of yet another hapless boss.

Let's see how committed he really is in the close season. This team may be good in Div One, but it doesn't take hindsight or foresight (whichever you choose) to see we need additions to stay up.

pommpey

I am not saying that McCabe doesn't make mistakes and I also don't think that we should all run around thanking him for this season as much as we shouldn't be abusing him when things don't work out as we all hope.
Running a football club, I would guess, is probably the most complex business model out there, with so many issues that can't be compared to running a normal business including;
Agents
Huge amounts of money
Buying and selling of your players
Player power
The raw passion of the fans
The media interest and scrutiny of everything

Within this McCabe has made mistakes, he has been unlucky but I would still rather have McCabe than 98% of the other chairmen in the football leagues. At least I know that he is a Blade and even when he had us up for sale he would look after the longer term interests of the club.
So, yeah I'm glad for McCabe that we are on the way up again, even if he doesn't get thanked, at least he won't be getting abused.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I am not saying that McCabe doesn't make mistakes and I also don't think that we should all run around thanking him for this season as much as we shouldn't be abusing him when things don't work out as we all hope.
Running a football club, I would guess, is probably the most complex business model out there, with so many issues that can't be compared to running a normal business including;
Agents
Huge amounts of money
Buying and selling of your players
Player power
The raw passion of the fans
The media interest and scrutiny of everything

Within this McCabe has made mistakes, he has been unlucky but I would still rather have McCabe than 98% of the other chairmen in the football leagues. At least I know that he is a Blade and even when he had us up for sale he would look after the longer term interests of the club.
So, yeah I'm glad for McCabe that we are on the way up again, even if he doesn't get thanked, at least he won't be getting abused.

In saying all that he still has a shave every morning humming My Way .

 

[metalblade]

Not going to join this McCabe circle jerk as far as I can see we are no higher up than the day he took over I'll congratulate him for keeping the best players here for once and backing Wilder even though it was on a reduced budget so I have him down as just about even considering his past mistakes. I do think McCabe cares and wants the best for SUFC but he has got into a situation where he can't sell up and walk away or let us go into administration as he is the only person that will lose out if that were to happen. A lot said at the time appointing Robson would set us back ten years how right they were.
Still better Kev than a Tuna man, the deluded ones are beginning to realise he don't give a fuck about the pigs or their fans who he is trying his best to price out. The thread on Porktalk about the new stadium on Weedon St is comedy gold from the website that just keeps on giving. Apparently tuna man don't like stripes, kit changes and name changes by Asian owners where have we seen this before hahahahahahaha

 

[Maidenhead]

[QUOTE="Maidenhead, post: 1300376, member: 2343]

In my experience it's usually managers that decide who stays and who goes and I've yet to see anything from any of our past managers to say that they haven't been backed to the hilt.

Sales take place because managers prioritise their requirements within their budget, not because the chairman wants to pocket the cash.

You think Wilson was behind the sale of Blackman?

You think Weir wanted McDonald to be sold?

You think Blackwell wanted Beattie or both Kyles sold?

Really?[/QUOTE]
Have you ever heard any of them complain that they didn't want to sell?

Ever hear them complain that their hands were tied?

Ever hear them say that they weren't given money to reinvest?

Ever hear them say that the board didn't back them?

Ever see a P&L showing that United made a profit?

So yes, really.

I would say that all the managers were on board with the above sales given their circumstances at the time.

 

[Worksop II]

I would say that all the managers were on board with the above sales given their circumstances at the time.

I would say that they all want to work again, and wont slag off a Chairman for pulling the rug from underneath them ....

due to money, cos the next job may have similar restrictions

 

[Maidenhead]

I would say that they all want to work again, and wont slag off a Chairman for pulling the rug from underneath them ....

due to money, cos the next job may have similar restrictions

All managers have financial restrictions.

a big part of the job is managing the budget.

If they want to sign players they have to sell players.

Very few can expect a chairman to dip his hand in his pocket to give them a few more millions so they can keep what they've got and add to it.

Wilder was in exactly the same position last June and he managed things a whole lot better than his predecessors.

It is totally and ridiculously wrong to blame the chairman every time a player is sold.
Wanting to work again didn't stop Wilder having a pop at his first chairman at Northampton did it?

 

[Revolution]

Have you ever heard any of them complain that they didn't want to sell?

Ever hear them complain that their hands were tied?

Ever hear them say that they weren't given money to reinvest?

Ever hear them say that the board didn't back them?

Ever see a P&L showing that United made a profit?

So yes, really.

I would say that all the managers were on board with the above sales given their circumstances at the time.

Weir complained about the sale of McDonald.

Many United managers have complained about the money from sales not being given to them to invest. Spackman, Warnock, Bruce, Bassett and Weir have all said this. Deane was sold both times over the protest of the manager.

And the bigger point is the one made by Worksop II - what are they going to do in that situation? They have to get on with the job.

Do you really think Danny Wilson was on board with selling Nick Blackman and replacing him with the loan signing of Jon Forte?

 

[Revolution]

All managers have financial restrictions.

a big part of the job is managing the budget.

If they want to sign players they have to sell players.

Very few can expect a chairman to dip his hand in his pocket to give them a few more millions so they can keep what they've got and add to it.

Wilder was in exactly the same position last June and he managed things a whole lot better than his predecessors.

It is totally and ridiculously wrong to blame the chairman every time a player is sold.
Wanting to work again didn't stop Wilder having a pop at his first chairman at Northampton did it?

You are doing the opposite. You are saying that a sale is always defensible, which is nonsense.

And we aren't talking about sales for the sake of squad building. Blackman and McDonald were all about making a quick buck.

There is no doubt in my mind that some of the player sales that have gone through in the last 6 years have (a) damaged the team's promotion chances and (b) were done without the agreement of the manager.

Happily, the current manager has worked miracles and given us a tremendous season. Let's hope his best players aren't sold out from under him.