Budget for next season

[1danewhitehouse]

You clearly are pissed.
So we'd do the double over the barcodes right now would we?
Grow up,stop drinking and stop posting crap mate.

I've always quite liked seanbeenstattoo Ricky. Definitely livens up a forum. Not sure how some slightly more delicate flowers on here will take to him though. Can't wait to see his first discussion with blade too long

Called it ages ago........

 

[1danewhitehouse]

here you go then
which of the team thats won the title and played in 13 game unbeaten run deserves showing the door without getting a kick in the championship

• 2 Moore
• 16 Freeman
• 6 Basham
• 5 O'Connell
• 13 Wright
• 24 Lafferty
• 15 Coutts
• 4 Fleck
• 44 Carruthers
• 27 L Clarke
• 26 O'Shea

Substitutes

• 1 Long
• 10 Sharp
• 11 Done
• 16 Hanson
• 19 Ebanks-Landell
• 21 Duffy
• 32 Chapman

Well, EEL and Chapman probably won't be here. O'Shea is only contracted til the end of the season. Jury is still out on Clarke. Hanson is probably only OK as plan B on the bench. Done has barely featured for ages so you would think he would go. Long might be moved on. Some that are currently first teamers might become bench/ rotation players if we can bring better ones in (Lafferty for example).

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I know you are supposed to use capital letters when starting a sentence.
You are pissed mate.
I'll engage when you're not posting crap.
UTB.

He's not pissed (unless it's a permanent state). This is his usual standard of reasoning.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

all those who played in last 2 games deserve a squad place
see 3 maybe 4 new faces coming in

be insulting rushing players out of the club thats earned this title

I get some blades have pet scapegoats and a need to pick on players though

you carry on doing what you like

It's not insulting, its management. You get the most out of what you've got, and move them on when they're no longer at that level.
Seeing loyalty as something that means you owe certainly players who aren't up to the next level a debt of gratitude is weak and only ends up causing bigger issues within the team.
It needs to be handled well, and that is where loyalty is shown but you can't duck a tough decision due to over sentimentality.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

This is an interesting subject because I always find it staggering how far apart people are in their estimates of what Championship wage budgets are nowadays.

I heard somewhere a year ago that our wage budget this season would be £6m. Let's just assume for arguments sake that it was...by trebling that figure my understanding is that we would still be in the bottom third of Championship wage budgets. Eye watering.

Wasn't it said to be about £12million when we were last in the championship?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

here you go then
which of the team thats won the title and played in 13 game unbeaten run deserves showing the door without getting a kick in the championship

• 2 Moore
• 16 Freeman
• 6 Basham
• 5 O'Connell
• 13 Wright
• 24 Lafferty
• 15 Coutts
• 4 Fleck
• 44 Carruthers
• 27 L Clarke
• 26 O'Shea

Substitutes

• 1 Long
• 10 Sharp
• 11 Done
• 16 Hanson
• 19 Ebanks-Landell
• 21 Duffy
• 32 Chapman

Being brutally honest, from that list I'd raise question marks over Clarke, O'Shea, Done, Hanson and look for immediate improvements to play at a level higher.
I'd also be looking for competition/replacements for; Moore, Basham, O'Connell, Ebanks-Landell, Wright, Duffy, Sharp, Chapman to deepen the squad.

It's not that I don't appreciate what those players have done for us, but if you don't keep challenges fresh and raise the bar you'll be going backwards.
You can't replace them all, but I'd certainly be looking in those areas for 6-7 new faces.

 

[JPBrods]

Fuel duty frozen again hopefully.

 

[blade too long]

21 new signings in their first season back (albeit some on loan). I'd say that was a fairly significant overhaul. And they only just stayed up.

22 if you include making Antonio's loan permanent.

meant for big money

 

[blade too long]

Well, EEL and Chapman probably won't be here. O'Shea is only contracted til the end of the season. Jury is still out on Clarke. Hanson is probably only OK as plan B on the bench. Done has barely featured for ages so you would think he would go. Long might be moved on. Some that are currently first teamers might become bench/ rotation players if we can bring better ones in (Lafferty for example).

Clarke and Hanson were brought in on 3 year contracts to get us up

it worked
why would they go

 

[blade too long]

It's not insulting, its management. You get the most out of what you've got, and move them on when they're no longer at that level.
Seeing loyalty as something that means you owe certainly players who aren't up to the next level a debt of gratitude is weak and only ends up causing bigger issues within the team.
It needs to be handled well, and that is where loyalty is shown but you can't duck a tough decision due to over sentimentality.

its not about loyalty
they came in to do a job and did it
thats professionalism
Clarke and Hanson on 3 year contracts will be here next season , might not play all the time but will be options

 

[snootyfenooty]

Well, EEL and Chapman probably won't be here.

I think you may be wrong regarding EEL. He will fit well into a back four, which United will almost certainly revert to in the Championship. His signing of a new contract for Wolves sounded a bit too coincidental to me and was probably part of a three-way-deal to pave the way for his permanent move here.

 

[Ricky]

I wouldn't be against signing EEL for the right money as long as we also brought in a more proven centre back.

 

[Bladezz]

I think you may be wrong regarding EEL. He will fit well into a back four, which United will almost certainly revert to in the Championship. His signing of a new contract for Wolves sounded a bit too coincidental to me and was probably part of a three-way-deal to pave the way for his permanent move here.

Him signing a 3 year deal helps him get a permanent move here when he's been out of favour for a few weeks.

Why would we change our formation to a back 4? We're promoted with 4 games to go you don't get much better than that. The top 2 premiership teams play the same way.

 

[Bladebri]

This

 

[snootyfenooty]

The top 2 premiership teams play the same way.

The top two premiership teams have top two premiership centre backs. If we play three at the back next year without a major signing at CB and full back/wing back we will won't last five minutes. We'll see.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

its not about loyalty
they came in to do a job and did it
thats professionalism
Clarke and Hanson on 3 year contracts will be here next season , might not play all the time but will be options

Indeed and well done to each one of them, now we need to move them on and bring in better. That's professional and it's the game.
Of course they can stay and see out their contracts, which is totally their right, but if they want to play they'll have to move.

 

[blade too long]

Indeed and well done to each one of them, now we need to move them on and bring in better. That's professional and it's the game.
Of course they can stay and see out their contracts, which is totally their right, but if they want to play they'll have to move.

Clarke has the experience we need Hanson is no worse than many Ive watched plying their trade in the championship
CW had no need to give him a 3 year deal , if he didnt think he could step up

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Clarke has the experience we need Hanson is no worse than many Ive watched plying their trade in the championship
CW had no need to give him a 3 year deal , if he didnt think he could step up

Not sure either would sign on a 2 year deal, plus it means the club can get something for them in the summer.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Wasn't it said to be about £12million when we were last in the championship?

From memory yes and I'm led to believe the lowest wage bill is about that in the Championship this season.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

meant for big money

How on earth could you have meant for big money? You were talking about the players promoted being good enough to go again and indicating that Wednesday stayed up with largely the squad that got them promoted. That was your basis to argue that our current squad would be largely good enough to compete. The discussion has absolutely nothing to do with the sum spent on each player and everything to do with whether the squad was overhauled. 21 new players suggests a significant overhaul. Even though they only paid about £1.5 million in transfer fees, players like Bothrooyd, Barkley, Wickham etc. will have been on quite a lot of money. So will free agents like Anthony Gardner, Chris Kirkland etc.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Clarke and Hanson were brought in on 3 year contracts to get us up

it worked
why would they go

Because, as you say, they were brought in to get us up and at around the age of 30, neither has consistently managed to cut it in the championship (Hanson has never played at that level). That said, I think 1 will stay but not convinced we’ll keep both.


By the way, Hanson was signed on a 2.5 year contract, not 3.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I think you may be wrong regarding EEL. He will fit well into a back four, which United will almost certainly revert to in the Championship. His signing of a new contract for Wolves sounded a bit too coincidental to me and was probably part of a three-way-deal to pave the way for his permanent move here.

Possibly. Time will tell I guess. But there’s certainly a case for him leaving given that, as far as we know, he’s not our player and his loan will expire.

 

[Blade58]

Him signing a 3 year deal helps him get a permanent move here when he's been out of favour for a few weeks.

Why would we change our formation to a back 4? We're promoted with 4 games to go you don't get much better than that. The top 2 premiership teams play the same way.

Not saying EEL won't be back for us, but I'm struggling to see how him signing a 3 year deal at Wolves means it's paved the way to arrive back here.

All I see here is that Wolves now dictate any possible terms/fees of any departure. What would it have meant had he not signed a new deal? Possibly the player and agent decide and said player goes where he likes

The other possibility of course is Lambert wants him long term back at Wolves hence a new 3 year deal

 

[derryblade]

Didn't KM say in the Telegraph the year we were relegated from the Championship the players wage bill was £18.2 million and that had had been reduced from the previous year by £4.1 million, can't see KM making the same mistake again.

 

[blade too long]

How on earth could you have meant for big money? You were talking about the players promoted being good enough to go again and indicating that Wednesday stayed up with largely the squad that got them promoted. That was your basis to argue that our current squad would be largely good enough to compete. The discussion has absolutely nothing to do with the sum spent on each player and everything to do with whether the squad was overhauled. 21 new players suggests a significant overhaul. Even though they only paid about £1.5 million in transfer fees, players like Bothrooyd, Barkley, Wickham etc. will have been on quite a lot of money. So will free agents like Anthony Gardner, Chris Kirkland etc.

we will deal in the economic end of the market with probably a couple of headline signings

wednesday brought in these
In[edit]
Position Player Transferred from Fee Date Source
GK Chris Kirkland Wigan Athletic Free 24 May 2012 [137]
DF Kieran Lee Oldham Athletic Free 1 July 2012 [138]
DF Joe Mattock West Bromwich Albion Free 1 July 2012 [8]
DF Anthony Gardner Crystal Palace Free 1 July 2012 [13]
FW Chris Maguire Derby County Undisclosed 1 July 2012 [139]
MF Diogo Amado União Leiria Free 10 July 2012 [20]
MF Nejc Pečnik Nacional Free 16 July 2012 [140]
MF Rhys McCabe Rangers Undisclosed 30 July 2012 [28]
MF Michail Antonio Reading Undisclosed 6 August 2012 [31]
MF Danny Mayor Preston North End Undisclosed 17 August 2012 [37]
MF Paul Corry University College Dublin Undisclosed 28 August 2012 [45]
DF Martin Taylor Watford Undisclosed 31 August 2012 [50]
GK Adam Davies Free Agent Free 23 October 2012 [141]

5 of whom never or rarely featured

of those they sold only 4 played 10 or more the previous season

your figures said 21
who were they

 

[blade too long]

Because, as you say, they were brought in to get us up and at around the age of 30, neither has consistently managed to cut it in the championship (Hanson has never played at that level). That said, I think 1 will stay but not convinced we’ll keep both.


By the way, Hanson was signed on a 2.5 year contract, not 3.

well they are both here till 2019

CW likes them , which is all that matters
if he decides they are surplus fine
but if others just dont like them, tough

 

[String]

I think you may be wrong regarding EEL. He will fit well into a back four, which United will almost certainly revert to in the Championship. His signing of a new contract for Wolves sounded a bit too coincidental to me and was probably part of a three-way-deal to pave the way for his permanent move here.

I like the back three / five formation we have.. best of both worlds in my opinion, I think unless CW signs a whole different bunch of players we will continue, but we do need an upgrade to the steadiness of Wright (much as I love him). We'll be under footballing pressure next season and being flexible with wing backs is the way to go I think. Agree the EEL contract scenario was all a bit too coincidental. But let's see eh

 

[blade too long]

In todays Star Wilder intimates those that took us up wont be rushed out the door .

“We go into a tough division,” he said. “We all understand that. We’ll sit down, talk and add but we’ve got the core of a really good group who can play there too. Flecky, he’s been outstanding. He’s one of those who can, without a shadow of a doubt, up there. We’ve done the recruitment well, in two windows. I’ve got to say the backing I’ve received from (co-owners) the Prince (Abdullah bin Musa’ed bin Abdulaziz Al Saud) and from Kevin (McCabe) has been outstanding.”

 

[1danewhitehouse]

we will deal in the economic end of the market with probably a couple of headline signings

wednesday brought in these
In[edit]
Position Player Transferred from Fee Date Source
GK Chris Kirkland Wigan Athletic Free 24 May 2012 [137]
DF Kieran Lee Oldham Athletic Free 1 July 2012 [138]
DF Joe Mattock West Bromwich Albion Free 1 July 2012 [8]
DF Anthony Gardner Crystal Palace Free 1 July 2012 [13]
FW Chris Maguire Derby County Undisclosed 1 July 2012 [139]
MF Diogo Amado União Leiria Free 10 July 2012 [20]
MF Nejc Pečnik Nacional Free 16 July 2012 [140]
MF Rhys McCabe Rangers Undisclosed 30 July 2012 [28]
MF Michail Antonio Reading Undisclosed 6 August 2012 [31]
MF Danny Mayor Preston North End Undisclosed 17 August 2012 [37]
MF Paul Corry University College Dublin Undisclosed 28 August 2012 [45]
DF Martin Taylor Watford Undisclosed 31 August 2012 [50]
GK Adam Davies Free Agent Free 23 October 2012 [141]

5 of whom never or rarely featured

of those they sold only 4 played 10 or more the previous season

your figures said 21
who were they

In addition to those you mention....

Bothrooyd
Barkley
Lita
Pugh
Helan
Wickham
Olofinjana
Howard
Sidibe

 

[blade too long]

none of this lot got on the bench or played


Julian Bennett

Defender/Left back
30 Adam Davies

Goalkeeper - -
21 Diogo Amado

Midfielder
Matthew Fletcher

Forward
Harry Grant

Midfielder
Bastien Héry

Midfielder
13 Arron Jameson

Goalkeeper - -
31 Caolan Lavery

Forward
Ayo Obileye

Defender
Liam Palmer

Defender/Midfielder
Mark Reynolds

Defender
Nicky Weaver

Goalkeeper - -
33 Hayden White

Defender