Attendance against Scunthorpe

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seanbeenstattoo said:
It really is time SYP were made to actually do what they are paid obscene amounts of money to do.
They are mainly cunts and haven't changed since Hillsbro/Orgreave.
Our capacity is north of 32k and McCabe should invoice plod for every seat we can't sell purely down to their pathetic restrictions. 99% of "policing" is done by fat minimum wage earning stewards anyway.
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Sadly, Sean, they'll be invoicing us, whether we asked for them or not....
 

JJBlade said:
The flare problem was before we were a Premier League club, and our fans were above the away fans all season during the Premier League season, also for a couple of seasons whilst in the Championship.

It really is quite simple.

If a game is not vital to us but very important to the away fans give them the upper and lower tier
If a game is important to United give away supporters the bottom tier only regardless of whether it's important to them or not.
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A couple of weeks ago I went to a Real Mallorca game. There were just short of 10,000 people there for a Spanish Segunda (2nd division) game. Before the game, we sat outside the Mallorca café which is attached to the ground where they had music and an outside bar (selling Estrella at €2.40 a pint). It was packed with both Mallorca and Cadiz fans having a drink, chatting about the game, about each others contrasting fortunes. On the entrance there were a couple of local police having a chat with everyone. Not even the slightest sign of trouble.

Inside the ground, there was no segregation. We finished up sat next to a Cadiz fan in one of the main stands. Colours were worn by supporters of both sides sat next to each other. There was several hundred Cadiz fans in colours mixed around the ground (and bear in mind the journey is about 700 miles and involves a 3 hour plan journey). Despite the openness of the ground, it was still a fantastic atmosphere with a section of fans (the Mallorca Ultras) taking up an area behind the goal where they never stopped chanting throughout the game (despite their team who reached a Europa League final not too long ago being in the relegation zone before the game).

It was a totally surreal experience for someone who was brought up with the delights that was 70s football fans and today not been able to walk down Bramall Lane after some games because our friends in the police decide built temporary walls down the middle of it.

I will still go to BDTBL and love United, but it was a totally different experience at a game where fans were treated as people not animals caused by people who want to behave like animals.

Amazingly, there was no one deciding it was fun to rip up the concourses at half time either.
 
JJBlade said:
The flare problem was before we were a Premier League club, and our fans were above the away fans all season during the Premier League season, also for a couple of seasons whilst in the Championship.

It really is quite simple.

If a game is not vital to us but very important to the away fans give them the upper and lower tier
If a game is important to United give away supporters the bottom tier only regardless of whether it's important to them or not.
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I spoke with Martin Green on this a couple of weeks ago. Away fans are housed in the top tier of Bramall Lane so that United can steward the games without police in the stadium. For away fans to take the lower tier a police presence is required and this costs United around £40k. Scunthorpe asked for more tickets a while ago which meant providing both tiers but at the time United declined as the few hundred ticket sales in the lower tier would not pay for the police cost.

That's why we get the lower and not upper at the moment as very few teams bring enough support to cover the police cost.
 
Latest from Scunny's website

PUBLISHED

09:15 16th February 2017

The Iron travel to Bramall Lane on Saturday, February 18, 2017 (3pm kick-off) and have been handed an allocation of 3,292 tickets, located in the Redbrik Upper Stand.

PLEASE NOTE: This game is strictly all ticket in advance and there will NOT be any tickets available on the day.

Over 2,700 tickets have been sold already and fans are urged to buy their tickets ASAP to guarantee their place at the game.

The Iron were handed a further 1,000 tickets after selling out the upper tier allocation, with all tickets now in the lower tier.

Could be 3,000 in the away end. Decent atmosphere then - hopefully. Certainly they'll be noisy - hope we can match them

Text colour courtesy of S24SU :D
 
I'm confused (easily done). If they've only sold 2700 how have they sold out the top tier allocation and are getting another 1000 downstairs?

Surely they've sold over 3200 then so far?
 
MobileBlade said:
A couple of weeks ago I went to a Real Mallorca game. There were just short of 10,000 people there for a Spanish Segunda (2nd division) game. Before the game, we sat outside the Mallorca café which is attached to the ground where they had music and an outside bar (selling Estrella at €2.40 a pint). It was packed with both Mallorca and Cadiz fans having a drink, chatting about the game, about each others contrasting fortunes. On the entrance there were a couple of local police having a chat with everyone. Not even the slightest sign of trouble.
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If you go in the Royal Standard before any match you will see fans of both sides quite happily having a pint, minding each other's business and no sign whatsoever of anything kicking off. There's no posturing and no bouncers or police to keep fans apart. In short, no-one gives a fuck. (OK, Majorca it ain't but it is on the banks of the River Sheaf)!

This got me thinking. Is hooliganism on it's last legs? We all know there's the odd bunch of pricks around, e.g. Millwall and sadly some of ours, but I've often felt that the main "firm" keeping hooliganism alive is the police themselves. Their idiotic show of force on Bramall Lane on matchdays, replete with walls (occasionally), video cameras, paddy wagons and high-viz as far as the eye can see is at best the biggest overkill on earth and at worst nothing but sheer provocation and an exercise in self-justification.

We all know which teams' fans are going to problematic. The club and police should plan accordingly. One things for certain, League 1 doesn't require the charade we witness on matchdays.
 
JJBlade said:
Makes you sick
If the police or stewards can't be bothered to do their jobs (ie preserve law and order and protect the public) we should bill them for lost revenue

Doesn't happen anywhere else, the commercial and financial well being of the club should always come first and United should be putting pressure on and getting hold of these idle tw@ts and make them earn their money.

The Charlton cup tie was the same, over 2000 below capacity because certain people can't be arsed to plan it properly

Worst thing is, it's always United fans that suffer, the away team can have as many tickets as they like because United fans aren't allowed in certain parts of the ground within 50 yards of them

2700 - 3000 Scunthorpe fans could have been housed in the lower tier
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Isn't the stewarding business a subsidiary?
 
Davalon said:
I'm confused (easily done). If they've only sold 2700 how have they sold out the top tier allocation and are getting another 1000 downstairs?

Surely they've sold over 3200 then so far?
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The top tier holds 2,700 but we always net off 400+ seats to seperate it from the corner stand.
So all away teams usually have a max allocation of 2,292 ticket in the upper tier.

The bottom tier holds 2,900 but we net off about 500 seats (1000 seats in total) near each corner.
The top and bottom holds just over 5,600 but we are allow 4,393 (which is Boltons allocation)

Scunthorpe have currently sold all 2,292 in the upper tier and just over 400 in the lower tier.
Last season they brought 2,900, so it's approching that figure.
 
snootyfenooty said:
If you go in the Royal Standard before any match you will see fans of both sides quite happily having a pint, minding each other's business and no sign whatsoever of anything kicking off. There's no posturing and no bouncers or police to keep fans apart. In short, no-one gives a fuck. (OK, Majorca it ain't but it is on the banks of the River Sheaf)!

This got me thinking. Is hooliganism on it's last legs? We all know there's the odd bunch of pricks around, e.g. Millwall and sadly some of ours, but I've often felt that the main "firm" keeping hooliganism alive is the police themselves. Their idiotic show of force on Bramall Lane on matchdays, replete with walls (occasionally), video cameras, paddy wagons and high-viz as far as the eye can see is at best the biggest overkill on earth and at worst nothing but sheer provocation and an exercise in self-justification.

We all know which teams' fans are going to problematic. The club and police should plan accordingly. One things for certain, League 1 doesn't require the charade we witness on matchdays.
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The atmosphere at Peterborough both before and after, from what I saw was first class, the police, again from what I witnessed was again first rate but the amount of police on duty seemed way over the top, loads of em, but as I say seemed friendly, as they should be.
 
snootyfenooty said:
If you go in the Royal Standard before any match you will see fans of both sides quite happily having a pint, minding each other's business and no sign whatsoever of anything kicking off. There's no posturing and no bouncers or police to keep fans apart. In short, no-one gives a fuck. (OK, Majorca it ain't but it is on the banks of the River Sheaf)!

This got me thinking. Is hooliganism on it's last legs? We all know there's the odd bunch of pricks around, e.g. Millwall and sadly some of ours, but I've often felt that the main "firm" keeping hooliganism alive is the police themselves. Their idiotic show of force on Bramall Lane on matchdays, replete with walls (occasionally), video cameras, paddy wagons and high-viz as far as the eye can see is at best the biggest overkill on earth and at worst nothing but sheer provocation and an exercise in self-justification.

We all know which teams' fans are going to problematic. The club and police should plan accordingly. One things for certain, League 1 doesn't require the charade we witness on matchdays.
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It's the same friendly and calm atmosphere pre match in the Dev Cat as well..........as it is in most pubs I've been in home and away. The problem is that as long as each club has it's small proportion of nobheads, which pretty much all of them do, the police have to be out in force to stop these pricks from being pricks and safeguarding innocent fans who could get caught up in it. I agree it's a bit overkill with police numbers sometimes but sadly we have too many nobhead "fans" for the police to ignore.
 

I'm always puzzled by those seats netted off on the front corner of the SS...What is that all about?..Does it go back to when the Flare incident happened years ago,it just seems way over the top like those kettling barriers.
The Lane used to be way more hostile back in the day,but SYP seems to be in a time warp and hasn't realised times have changed barring the visit of maybe Millwall...That Cup game v Charlton springs to mind a few years ago..never going to be trouble,but we had the full works,Riot Police,Kettling barriers,extra Police down from Durham or wherever and of course the Helicopter...It just seems an excuse for Police to up the costs and an overtime scam.
 
Sheffsteel said:
The top tier holds 2,700 but we always net off 400+ seats to seperate it from the corner stand.
So all away teams usually have a max allocation of 2,292 ticket in the upper tier.

The bottom tier holds 2,900 but we net off about 500 seats (1000 seats in total) near each corner.
The top and bottom holds just over 5,600 but we are allow 4,393 (which is Boltons allocation)

Scunthorpe have currently sold all 2,292 in the upper tier and just over 400 in the lower tier.
Last season they brought 2,900, so it's approching that figure.
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Thanks for that. Makes perfect sense.

I was reading that they'd had an initial allocation of 2700.
 
MobileBlade said:
A couple of weeks ago I went to a Real Mallorca game. There were just short of 10,000 people there for a Spanish Segunda (2nd division) game. Before the game, we sat outside the Mallorca café which is attached to the ground where they had music and an outside bar (selling Estrella at €2.40 a pint). It was packed with both Mallorca and Cadiz fans having a drink, chatting about the game, about each others contrasting fortunes. On the entrance there were a couple of local police having a chat with everyone. Not even the slightest sign of trouble.

Inside the ground, there was no segregation. We finished up sat next to a Cadiz fan in one of the main stands. Colours were worn by supporters of both sides sat next to each other. There was several hundred Cadiz fans in colours mixed around the ground (and bear in mind the journey is about 700 miles and involves a 3 hour plan journey). Despite the openness of the ground, it was still a fantastic atmosphere with a section of fans (the Mallorca Ultras) taking up an area behind the goal where they never stopped chanting throughout the game (despite their team who reached a Europa League final not too long ago being in the relegation zone before the game).

It was a totally surreal experience for someone who was brought up with the delights that was 70s football fans and today not been able to walk down Bramall Lane after some games because our friends in the police decide built temporary walls down the middle of it.

I will still go to BDTBL and love United, but it was a totally different experience at a game where fans were treated as people not animals caused by people who want to behave like animals.

Amazingly, there was no one deciding it was fun to rip up the concourses at half time either.
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Sounds great that mate and as it should be.
 
Wandsworth Blade said:
I spoke with Martin Green on this a couple of weeks ago. Away fans are housed in the top tier of Bramall Lane so that United can steward the games without police in the stadium. For away fans to take the lower tier a police presence is required and this costs United around £40k. Scunthorpe asked for more tickets a while ago which meant providing both tiers but at the time United declined as the few hundred ticket sales in the lower tier would not pay for the police cost.

That's why we get the lower and not upper at the moment as very few teams bring enough support to cover the police cost.
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Not disputing the figure as I don't know any better but that's a ridiculous sum if it's per match.
I've always wondered who forks out for policing these bloody organised marches & protests that seem quite popular nowadays.
 
JJBlade said:
The flare problem was before we were a Premier League club, and our fans were above the away fans all season during the Premier League season, also for a couple of seasons whilst in the Championship.

It really is quite simple.

If a game is not vital to us but very important to the away fans give them the upper and lower tier
If a game is important to United give away supporters the bottom tier only regardless of whether it's important to them or not.
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That suggestion is far too sensible and logical and would therefore never be considered by either SUFC or SYP !! o_O:rolleyes:;)

UTB & FTP
 
Darthblade said:
Er ...... hold on here!!

We're not talking about the MASSIVE away following on Saturday, we're talking about our home gate ....... o_O:rolleyes:;)

UTB & FTP
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When pulled up on this a few posts later, i down graded my earlier statement to 85,500. This was seen as acceptably non massive by others. I trust that you'll be good enough to reach the same conclusion without me needing to reassess this figure again.
 
Based on the south stand and Westfield corner being sold out, 3000 Scunny fans, and the rest of the ground being 80% full, I'm going for a calculated 27,011
 
and IF we win this fixture would we be looking at a larger attendance the week after?
 

SwissBlade said:
When pulled up on this a few posts later, i down graded my earlier statement to 85,500. This was seen as acceptably non massive by others. I trust that you'll be good enough to reach the same conclusion without me needing to reassess this figure again.
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Yes of course ........ sorry ..... I wasn't thinking properly ....

Clearly the MASSIVE will be accompanied by a travelling army of much more than 85,000 so your statement makes much more sense now ..... ;):D

UTB & FTP
 
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