Attendance against Scunthorpe

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Just bought the last 3 tickets together in the John Street, most of the tickets left are crap right at the front and on the extreme sides. Guy in the ticket office said there's loads down the right hand side of the kop as you face it. South Stand and Westfield sold out now. Could be a good 26-27,000 there.
 

snootyfenooty said:
If you go in the Royal Standard before any match you will see fans of both sides quite happily having a pint, minding each other's business and no sign whatsoever of anything kicking off. There's no posturing and no bouncers or police to keep fans apart. In short, no-one gives a fuck. (OK, Majorca it ain't but it is on the banks of the River Sheaf)!

This got me thinking. Is hooliganism on it's last legs? We all know there's the odd bunch of pricks around, e.g. Millwall and sadly some of ours, but I've often felt that the main "firm" keeping hooliganism alive is the police themselves. Their idiotic show of force on Bramall Lane on matchdays, replete with walls (occasionally), video cameras, paddy wagons and high-viz as far as the eye can see is at best the biggest overkill on earth and at worst nothing but sheer provocation and an exercise in self-justification.

We all know which teams' fans are going to problematic. The club and police should plan accordingly. One things for certain, League 1 doesn't require the charade we witness on matchdays.
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Spot on. Football has moved on, fans in general can be trusted not to scrap with each other. It was kind of evidenced in France last summer when the Russians came looking for a fight, but actually the hooliganism element even in our national support barely exists anymore.

When there's about 200 away fans and SYP have about 200 stationed in the corner, it's completely ludicrous. I often see away fans in pubs on London Road now, and I couldn't give a fuck - why would I?
 
Nasik Blade said:
Could be a good 26-27,000 there.
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With a bit of luck, 10% of them might give the team a bit of encouragement. The rest will be so awestruck at facing Scunthorpe, and so let down by players who are not in the current table-topping team, as to be struck speechless for an hour and a half, save for an eerie moaning noise emitted from time to time.
 
One or two claiming on Twitter in the last few minutes that current sales are pushing it towards 30k.

Can't see that myself. About 27500 I reckon.
 
nicksufc said:
It was kind of evidenced in France last summer when the Russians came looking for a fight, but actually the hooliganism element even in our national support barely exists anymore.
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There's over a thousand England fans on banning orders who have to surrender passports when we play abroard. That might explain why the hoolies don't travel.

You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think football has 'moved on' and just wait for Millwall and their 'flag day', for a trip back down Memory Lane.
 
I should coco said:
There's over a thousand England fans on banning orders who have to surrender passports when we play abroard. That might explain why the hoolies don't travel.

You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think football has 'moved on' and just wait for Millwall and their 'flag day', for a trip back down Memory Lane.
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Is that not proof of my point though? That hooligan element has died out, whether it's banned supporters or just not bothering anymore.

I agree that isolated sets of fans still have that element. But seriously - one match a season (at best), with the vague possibility of trouble, and that shows football hooliganism is still alive and kicking? Remind me who's in cloud cuckoo land again?
 
nicksufc said:
Is that not proof of my point though? That hooligan element has died out, whether it's banned supporters or just not bothering anymore.
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no. The bans don't magically make them good citizens. It just stops them causing trouble for the duration of the ban.

nicksufc said:
I agree that isolated sets of fans still have that element. But seriously - one match a season (at best), with the vague possibility of trouble, and that shows football hooliganism is still alive and kicking? Remind me who's in cloud cuckoo land?
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I seriously think you are being very complacent if you think it's just one or two 'isolated sets'. I really don't see whay anyone would want to make such hostage to fortune statement. Just wait until next season, assuming we get back up and some of the 'bigger' teams come calling.
 
Davalon said:
One or two claiming on Twitter in the last few minutes that current sales are pushing it towards 30k.

Can't see that myself. About 27500 I reckon.
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Well if it's on Twitter......

Was it Oldham the last time the SS (calm down lefties) "sold out"?

There were plenty of single seats dotted around that game. Anything over 26000 would be very good.
 
I should coco said:
no. The bans don't magically make them good citizens. It just stops them causing trouble for the duration of the ban.



I seriously think you are being very complacent if you think it's just one or two 'isolated sets'. I really don't see whay anyone would want to make such hostage to fortune statement. Just wait until next season, assuming we get back up and some of the 'bigger' teams come calling.
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May stop them causing trouble in and around the ground.

Where generally the hard core hooligans tend to keep away from for their meet up. Bit naive to think it hardly exists anymore apart from just a few clubs.
 

Davalon said:
I'm confused (easily done). If they've only sold 2700 how have they sold out the top tier allocation and are getting another 1000 downstairs?

Surely they've sold over 3200 then so far?
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The figure of 2,700 is what the Upper Tier held originally and doesn't include the Westfield Corner. I hope they sell out :)
 
BornOnShoreham said:
The figure of 2,700 is what the Upper Tier held originally and doesn't include the Westfield Corner. I hope they sell out :)
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Whenever there are Blades using the corner stand the Bramall Lane
upper tier capacity is reduced from 2,700 to 2,292 with netting used to cover 408 seats.
 
Boxer Blade said:
The atmosphere at Peterborough both before and after, from what I saw was first class, the police, again from what I witnessed was again first rate but the amount of police on duty seemed way over the top, loads of em, but as I say seemed friendly, as they should be.
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The police were fine on Saturday, but coming out of the ground they were filming all the away fans, I do think that many fans are so used to it now that they just don't care, and the cameras are of course much smaller and less obvious so some don't notice them, maybe not everybody is a hooligan anymore and people are moving on but the police are still adjusting to it, who knows.

It was funny though after the game to see the coppers face when a United fan stopped in front of him and gave an interview about his day in Peterborough for the camera for about two minutes... copper wasnt chuffed..
 
Tezza1889 said:
The police were fine on Saturday, but coming out of the ground they were filming all the away fans, I do think that many fans are so used to it now that they just don't care, and the cameras are of course much smaller and less obvious so some don't notice them, maybe not everybody is a hooligan anymore and people are moving on but the police are still adjusting to it, who knows.

It was funny though after the game to see the coppers face when a United fan stopped in front of him and gave an interview about his day in Peterborough for the camera for about two minutes... copper wasnt chuffed..
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Whoever he was ..... he can have 10 likes from me !!

Classic Blades humor :D:D:D

UTB & FTP
 
nicksufc said:
Is that not proof of my point though? That hooligan element has died out, whether it's banned supporters or just not bothering anymore.

I agree that isolated sets of fans still have that element. But seriously - one match a season (at best), with the vague possibility of trouble, and that shows football hooliganism is still alive and kicking? Remind me who's in cloud cuckoo land again?
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Some of our fans pick on couples in a quiet hotel in Peterborough

Failing that they get coked up and start kicking shit out of each other
 
nicksufc said:
Spot on. Football has moved on, fans in general can be trusted not to scrap with each other. It was kind of evidenced in France last summer when the Russians came looking for a fight, but actually the hooliganism element even in our national support barely exists anymore.

When there's about 200 away fans and SYP have about 200 stationed in the corner, it's completely ludicrous. I often see away fans in pubs on London Road now, and I couldn't give a fuck - why would I?
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I think alot is down to the Division we are in. With the exception of the idiots from Millwall you would not expect much trouble, Shrewsbury, Fleetwood, and Oxford are hardly known for their Crew are they.
If we go up then things could be different with Leeds, Wednesday, Cardiff, Birmingham, Barnsley, all possible of coming to cause trouble.
Bristol City could be another one, I think they smashed up the Gypsy Queen at Crystal Peaks a few seasons ago.
 
JonnyRed(WCFC) said:
I'm coming with 4 footy loving ferrets...

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some bastard's nicked her Sleigh.
 
MobileBlade said:
A couple of weeks ago I went to a Real Mallorca game. There were just short of 10,000 people there for a Spanish Segunda (2nd division) game. Before the game, we sat outside the Mallorca café which is attached to the ground where they had music and an outside bar (selling Estrella at €2.40 a pint). It was packed with both Mallorca and Cadiz fans having a drink, chatting about the game, about each others contrasting fortunes. On the entrance there were a couple of local police having a chat with everyone. Not even the slightest sign of trouble.

Inside the ground, there was no segregation. We finished up sat next to a Cadiz fan in one of the main stands. Colours were worn by supporters of both sides sat next to each other. There was several hundred Cadiz fans in colours mixed around the ground (and bear in mind the journey is about 700 miles and involves a 3 hour plan journey). Despite the openness of the ground, it was still a fantastic atmosphere with a section of fans (the Mallorca Ultras) taking up an area behind the goal where they never stopped chanting throughout the game (despite their team who reached a Europa League final not too long ago being in the relegation zone before the game).

It was a totally surreal experience for someone who was brought up with the delights that was 70s football fans and today not been able to walk down Bramall Lane after some games because our friends in the police decide built temporary walls down the middle of it.

I will still go to BDTBL and love United, but it was a totally different experience at a game where fans were treated as people not animals caused by people who want to behave like animals.

Amazingly, there was no one deciding it was fun to rip up the concourses at half time either.
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There are certain countries where there is no history of football related violence, it maybe due to these countries not breeding and rearing brain dead morons.
Our brain dead morons posture like they want to kill each other one week and then join up to "do" somebody else the week after. Especially when it's an England International.

Truth is 90% of them aren't even capable of delivering a punch correctly, and so they throw coins and bottles at each other to try to show the world how hard they are.

They'd run a mile when the Polish or Russians are around, proper hard bastards who really do want to fight, not posture.
 

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