CONFIRMED Aaron Ramsdale leaves for Bournemouth

[blade67]

Ramsdale may be a world beater for all I know, but he's only played 1 game that I've seen and we conceded 3 and he had his name on 1 of them. The 2nd I think with the poor kick.

I was watching a goals highlight of U23's versus Stoke the other day and he concedes a real shocker that would make Simmo blush. It feels to me that he's exactly where GL was 2 or 3 years ago with potential but probably a lot of mistakes still in him. Our choices were to send him out to L2 to "learn" at someone else's expense or to sell. If he's funded the strengthening of our current first team then it feels like good business today.

We can save all the moaning until he's picking up his 100th cap

 

[Bookers Mullet]

I'm sad to see Ramsdale go, but Sadly United can't afford to live in the realm of 'potential' our situation, both financial and league, mean we have to invest what resources we have in players that can improve our first team (or more accurately signings the manager believes will improve the first team)
I'll be as gutted as anyone if he goes on to play for England, but I'll also realise we didn't have any choice.
We need the money to keep the club afloat, that's the reality of the situation we find ourselves in, irrelevant of our gate or our perceived status in the football world

 

[Treeton Blade]

Ramsdale may be a world beater for all I know, but he's only played 1 game that I've seen and we conceded 3 and he had his name on 1 of them. The 2nd I think with the poor kick.

I was watching a goals highlight of U23's versus Stoke the other day and he concedes a real shocker that would make Simmo blush. It feels to me that he's exactly where GL was 2 or 3 years ago with potential but probably a lot of mistakes still in him. Our choices were to send him out to L2 to "learn" at someone else's expense or to sell. If he's funded the strengthening of our current first team then it feels like good business today.

We can save all the moaning until he's picking up his 100th cap

The deal is a good one for where he is now.

Has made errors, but 18 year old keepers do.

Some of the saves he made in the 70 odd games I`ve seen him were out of this world.
Been literally unbeatable at times.
I`m sure if you were at Bolton in the Cup, you saw his double save from Wheater & Beevers.

Never seen one of our own keepers make the saves he did.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

the academy was set up to produce players to sell on , to survive

cant moan when we do

cant say we will miss him as we aint seen him

the academy is doing what it was set up for , keep a poorly funded club solvent
got to realise that , we dont have a fairy god father with sacks of money
if we turned down 1.5 from everton its got to be 2m plus add ons
for someone not in the team

good business for where we are

That said, it would be nice to hold on to one, every once in a while and see how they develop and watch the local lads play at the Lane.

 

[Revolution]

Some of the saves he made in the 70 odd games I`ve seen him were out of this world.
Been literally unbeatable at times.
I`m sure if you were at Bolton in the Cup, you saw his double save from Wheater & Beevers.

Never seen one of our own keepers make the saves he did.

Given we had 20 years of Kelly, Tracey and Kenny (and Rees) I find this unlikely, unless you have only been going since 2010.

 

[Bayingblade]

800 pissing grand! I'm not one for slating the club for selling players because we're in League One and I get that makes us vulnerable but 800 pissing grand! Thought we'd get more than that to be honest! I hope we have a sizeable sell on clause!

How would you feel if we replace him with a 19 year old from league 1 who's never played a league game?

Oh...and spent 800k on him?

 

[FlamingLip]

That said, it would be nice to hold on to one, every once in a while and see how they develop and watch the local lads play at the Lane.

Agree. But I just consider this to be yet another shit consequence of life in L1 and the continued price we pay (!). And given the financial drift between championship and prem, I doubt we'd have much sway in keeping hold had we actually been in the champ.

Im beyond trying to blame whomever sanctioned the sale, just hope it helps drag ourselves out of this wank league.

Fucking Bournemouth though. Not in a million years would anyone thought this situation would occur a decade ago.

 

[metalblade]

Nothing to do with gates . Getting £80million in the premiership might be more accurate .

It was actually the second offer . The fee is over a £1m which was above Wilders evaluation of the player .

We couldn't pay him what his agent wanted .

Bloody good deal for the blades and business by Wilder NOT McCabe who did not have the final say or did the player financial board . Wilder hold all the cards on who stays , who goes and who comes in .

Academy keep open or shut , again up to Wilder , but every young player we have sold has been a good business, with no detrimental affect to the first team .

Let's not forget we live in league division 1 , Bournemouth live in the premiership . Big difference in finances and who a player would want to play for .

UTB

I'm not sure how you know how much we got for him or whether Wilder had/has a say in the matter of the player or academy but for every player that we do sell don't forget we have a team full of Ironsides for e.g. who end up playing non league and go for nothing. I can't see how selling a young player every season pays for the Academy or where having one benefits SUFC when we only see it's products pull on the shirt a few times if we are lucky.

 

[Treeton Blade]

Given we had 20 years of Kelly, Tracey and Kenny (and Rees) I find this unlikely, unless you have only been going since 2010.

At youth/reserve level I meant!

Should have clarified that.

 

[albinonick]

Money talks.

Ramsdale has been here a few seasons, grown an affinity for the club, involved with the first team, and as I have said on many occasions is the best keeper we have ever had at Youth level.

The first offer and he`s off.
Sheff Utd 19,000 gates, Bournemouth 12,000.

You would think with time on his side, he could have given us another couple of years. there would have been a good contract on offer, but being away with England turned his head, and the chance to have the Premier league player badge, and wages, no doubt following `advice` from his agent, and he is off.

If £800,000 is the fee it represents a decent deal where he is now, but he will develop into one of the country`s best keepers, and play for England.

I watch the U18s at every opportunity, but sometimes wonder if having an Academy is worth it.
Brentford shut theirs, I can fully understand why.

Aaron was training yesterday and knew nothing about Bournemouth until knilly called him into the office and said sheffield have accepted an offer from Bournemouth. At that point everything changed. Aaron has loved every minute at sheffield! I would like to say a massive thank you to everyone at united on his behalf and to all who have spoken on s24su about him. UTB!!

 

[Rodley]

Aaron was training yesterday and knew nothing about Bournemouth until knilly called him into the office and said sheffield have accepted an offer from Bournemouth. At that point everything changed. Aaron has loved every minute at sheffield! I would like to say a massive thank you to everyone at united on his behalf and to all who have spoken on s24su about him. UTB!!

Good luck to him. Good opportunity for him at a club with huge resources and a top manager. Let's hope we've got a decent sell on clause for him, I've not seen much of him at all but clearly lots of people on here regularly attend U18 / U23 games and rate him highly.

UTB

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

We should have played him, and when he had a bad patch of form, boo him and ironically cheer when he caught the ball

 

[blade too long]

That said, it would be nice to hold on to one, every once in a while and see how they develop and watch the local lads play at the Lane.

well weve sold one
, not 6 or 7 not been a fire sale has it

If we had sold Moore that would be cause for concern

 

[larkymasher]

I don't think you get it though pal - I really don't.

What deal do you think Rammy was on? £2k a week? Maybe not even that. If he'd got a 5 year contract it wouldn't have made one iota of difference.

You can't tie any player down to a deal if a bigger offer comes in and he wants to go. That's the reality. Look at Man U and Ronaldo.

With players so young as Rammy you've no idea whether he will work out. This deal could be good business for us - but it could turn out we lost the next England keeper?

The only thing you can do is get up the league and sell them on when you are a Prem club. Then you get more money to cover the uncertainty - that's all.

2k a week !!!!! Ramsdale was a first year pro earning £275 a week.
SUFC are in a position of offering talent a small one year contract and seeing how they progress. Bigger clubs offer longer contracts on more money because they have the money to do it...... We don't.
Let's get one thing clear .... The next batch of Slater, Hallam, Semple, Ty Smith, are still on £100 pounds a week playing U23s football in front of 20 plus scouts every game at 17 years old and playing very well.

You kind of see what's going to happen can't you......

 

[Treeton Blade]

Nothing to do with gates . Getting £80million in the premiership might be more accurate .

It was actually the second offer . The fee is over a £1m which was above Wilders evaluation of the player .

We couldn't pay him what his agent wanted .

Bloody good deal for the blades and business by Wilder NOT McCabe who did not have the final say or did the player financial board . Wilder hold all the cards on who stays , who goes and who comes in .

Academy keep open or shut , again up to Wilder , but every young player we have sold has been a good business, with no detrimental affect to the first team .

Let's not forget we live in league division 1 , Bournemouth live in the premiership . Big difference in finances and who a player would want to play for .

UTB

I realise its nothing to do with gates, that`s why I started with `money talks`

The move is purely down to the wages he is getting.

Fee £800k with add ons

 

[DronnieBlade]

Mixed emotions on this.

But the one that stands out the most, whatever the reasons behind it and the express wishes of the players themselves is that this year we have sold the 3 players in the squad, all of a young age, where we have received £1m +.

In fact, as it turns out, the only 3 players who could realistically command such a fee.

We need to stop fishing in this puddle and get out of this fucking division so we can again fish in the sea !
UTB

 

[Balham]

2k a week !!!!! Ramsdale was a first year pro earning £275 a week.
SUFC are in a position of offering talent a small one year contract and seeing how they progress. Bigger clubs offer longer contracts on more money because they have the money to do it...... We don't.
Let's get one thing clear .... The next batch of Slater, Hallam, Semple, Ty Smith, are still on £100 pounds a week playing U23s football in front of 20 plus scouts every game at 17 years old and playing very well.

You kind of see what's going to happen can't you......

Slater's signed a pro deal to kick in when his scholarship ends next summer. I would imagine that next year's up for negotiation but he's here until 2020 at the earliest. Hallam, Gilmour and Semple are here until 2018 which gives us chance to reassess in the summer.

It's frustrating that we've lost one of our brightest talents to a nothing club like Bournemouth but Ramsdale will be earning a minimum of 20x what he was here and he'll be working for one of the best managers in the game. Add to that the fact that Bournemouth's first team keepers are garbage (Artur Boruc anyone?!) and he's got as good a chance of making it in the Premier League there as anywhere.

 

[The Crab]

Appreciate that keepers don't have the same value as other areas of the pitch but with some of the other sums being mentioned/ offered/ spent of late is personally tell them to fuck right off. If we aren't desperate then "potential" is selling for a damn sight more these days
EDIT; he's not the only one not spotted it

That may have been true in the past, but the madness is catching up. Benfica have just renewed Ederson's contract with a minumum release clause of £60m

 

[The Crab]

Letting that situation arise?[/QUOTE]

I'd agree with that, but given that they HAD let that situation arise, they were somewhat over a barrel.

I take the view that whilst it probably is unfortunate (to say the least) it hasn't adversely affected our short term goal, Promotion to the Championship. Selling, let's say Sharp or Fleck would have done more short term damage.

The longer term however, well we have to decide exactly what the Academy means to us as a Club and what we hope to get out of it.

 

[Baw Heid]

Good luck to Aaron. I've watched him, with the Under 18s and Under 23s, improve since he arrived from Bolton and I am sure he will do really well. At first I was not a fan but the work done by our coaches and his hard work has made him improve by leaps and bounds
As a matter of fact George Long has been outstanding with the 23s not only his performance but also encouraging our young centre backs Semple and Graham. Just hope our fans on the Kop give him a bit of support when he is called upon, as he will. It's in all our interest for him to play well.

 

[The Crab]

What's the plan for when Moore get's his inevitable 3 month injury then?

Calamity George? Great.

I'm old and fat but waiting for the call. Just off to Sports Direct for some Reusch Gloves

 

[The Crab]

I absolutely hate that we've sold yet another top prospect for a pitiful amount. But at least there's an excuse this time - he would've left for less in the summer. But there's no excuse for not getting him on a proper contract in the first place. Is it really better to receive £2/3m less in a transfer fee than to pay him 3/4k per week? We knew full well how much potential he had, and what clubs were watching him. Would there really have been much risk?

It's a bit concerning that we've relied on selling the likes of DCL and Ramsdale to fund our signings. It's quite rare that we'd have two prospects like them to sell, yet when we have them we end up losing them for poor amounts to try to fund the signings we make. What will we do in normal circumstances when we don't have players like these to sell? Just sell our key player instead? Would we not have signed anybody this window if we weren't going to sell Ramsdale?

I was unhappy with what we did with DCL, but I'm going to wait and see how we deal with offers when it's more of a level playing field before deciding the club remain utterly useless in this department. For example if we get Brooks on a new contract and sell him cheaply next January then I'll be able to say with confidence that nothing has changed at this club.... and probably never will.

Regardless of our negotiating 'prowess' though, it's fucking infuriating how PL sides blatantly have money to burn yet still make absolutely sure they pay us the bare minimum for our players.

Because the word is out that we are a bit of a soft touch?

 

[Kendal]

Good luck to the lad.
He's probably got more chance of getting a chance of proper action with Bournemouth, where the keepers are quite poor and the defence is much stronger so the slightest mistake by him may not be so glaring. Imagine coming into a United team with all the hype only to make one slip up and the entire 20k crowd immediately on his back. just look whats happened to George Long. 'World beater' when he first made the breakthrough, but after the first sign of weakness (behind a defence that didn't know its arse from its elbow) everyone was on his back. Hardly surprising his confidence went through the floor. Keepers need confidence, because that instills confidence in the back line. When the defence doesn't have confidence in a keeper, big mistakes get made.
Bit of a catch 22 - To break into a team as a keeper you need experience, but to get experience you need to play...

 

[The Crab]

Had a peek at their forum earlier. The early reports were that they were getting £7.5 million for him, which most of them we're understandably happy with (although still some werent). To say they were distraught at finding out he had a £300k release clause might be a bit of an understatement!

Bit like winning the lottery and there are 30'000 winners?

 

[Baw Heid]

2k a week !!!!! Ramsdale was a first year pro earning £275 a week.
SUFC are in a position of offering talent a small one year contract and seeing how they progress. Bigger clubs offer longer contracts on more money because they have the money to do it...... We don't.
Let's get one thing clear .... The next batch of Slater, Hallam, Semple, Ty Smith, are still on £100 pounds a week playing U23s football in front of 20 plus scouts every game at 17 years old and playing very well.

You kind of see what's going to happen can't you......

Kind of puts it all into context

 

[Maidenhead]

Good luck to Aaron. I've watched him, with the Under 18s and Under 23s, improve since he arrived from Bolton and I am sure he will do really well. At first I was not a fan but the work done by our coaches and his hard work has made him improve by leaps and bounds
As a matter of fact George Long has been outstanding with the 23s not only his performance but also encouraging our young centre backs Semple and Graham. Just hope our fans on the Kop give him a bit of support when he is called upon, as he will. It's in all our interest for him to play well.

Bolton forums must be in meltdown.

They gave him away to us !!!

 

[BushBlade]

Good luck to the lad.
He's probably got more chance of getting a chance of proper action with Bournemouth, where the keepers are quite poor and the defence is much stronger so the slightest mistake by him may not be so glaring. Imagine coming into a United team with all the hype only to make one slip up and the entire 20k crowd immediately on his back. just look whats happened to George Long. 'World beater' when he first made the breakthrough, but after the first sign of weakness (behind a defence that didn't know its arse from its elbow) everyone was on his back. Hardly surprising his confidence went through the floor. Keepers need confidence, because that instills confidence in the back line. When the defence doesn't have confidence in a keeper, big mistakes get made.
Bit of a catch 22 - To break into a team as a keeper you need experience, but to get experience you need to play...

That ^^^^^

Everyone's kicking off because we sold a player most of us have seen once and, in my opinion, didn't actually look that good (yet). Plenty of posters saying 'we can't rely on Long' but are happy to rely on some 18 year old with one first team appearance under his belt based on his performances in the kids' league.

 

[Baw Heid]

Bolton forums must be in meltdown.

They gave him away to us !!!

Yes it was Ramsdale or Yaskalinan's boy (Sorry for the spelling) who was to be released and they chose Aaron to go, so I'm told. So we made a few pounds and the boy has a move to a Premier League team. So Bolton are the losers but we are without a fine talent. Ah well it's just business, so they say

 

[Baw Heid]

That ^^^^^

Everyone's kicking off because we sold a player most of us have seen once and, in my opinion, didn't actually look that good (yet). Plenty of posters saying 'we can't rely on Long' but are happy to rely on some 18 year old with one first team appearance under his belt based on his performances in the kids' league.

Having watched Ramsdale progress he was a talent but I agree about Long who has been playing well with the Under 23s It's worth noting that the 23s are more akin to a reserve team and as such can be playing with and against experienced pros. I hope the kop give George a break when he plays for the first team as he surely will

 

[Houston_Blade]

I'm not criticising us for getting somewhere in the region of £0.8m to £1m as this is a good amount, however how many of us said the same when we lost Walker and Jagielka for what now look like miserly amounts? That said we got more than market value for likes of Forte, Hurst, Slew amongst others so it's swings and roundabouts I suppose.

The other issue I have is why do we only ever sell players who stay loyal to their next club? You never see us on the end of a massive sell on clause payment do you?! If Jagielka had gone to Man U for £25m 5 years ago I'm sure we would have got some, similarly Walker needs to think of his boyhood team and get a decent move to a big spender to line our pockets.