CONFIRMED Aaron Ramsdale leaves for Bournemouth

[1889]

So they're going to walk away from a professional footballing career and go do something else instead then? Don't see it somehow.

No, they're going to go elsewhere and pursue a professional football career with another club on a contract that offers financial security. Let's say, Bournemouth for example

 

[Barney]

No, they're going to go elsewhere and pursue a professional football career with another club on a contract that offers financial security. Let's say, Bournemouth for example

So it should be made policy for all academies then.

 

[Esablade]

According to a post from Foxy, we could afford to get the car park Desso'd now.

I've absolutely no idea where the Van Veen thing came from but I find it staggering Scunny have turned down £4m. It can't possibly be true.

Is your seat not Desso'd yet?

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I can't imagine Scunthorpe ever being in a position to turn that sort of money down. Especially considering that they're apparently moving to a new stadium soon. Which makes the fact that they've seemingly kept hold of Morris even more baffling.

Tyler , Scunthorpe supposedly have a rich owner so don't have to sell . Daft has it seems these could be the new Bournemouth , and as yet not wobbled as Blades and Bolton . Just goes to show its what we do , not the other fuckers that count .

We perform , players take responsibility and this league is there for the taking .

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[WhiteHawk]

Tyler , Scunthorpe supposedly have a rich owner

Don't think it's the owner that's rich but his wife is something to do with Wilkos/Willkinsons so definitely not short of a few quid.

 

[Bladesman]

Don't think it's the owner that's rich but his wife is something to do with Wilkos/Willkinsons so definitely not short of a few quid.

We have game changing investment.

So Scunthorpe better watch out.

 

[1889]

So it should be made policy for all academies then.

It's within the power of every academy to offer a young player a 3, 4, or 5 year deal if they wish to secure his services. But to suggest that the club should be entitled to terminate such an agreement, if the prospect doesn't develop as expected, without honouring the financial commitments of that contract is plain ridiculous. Notwithstanding that it's probably contrary to employment law.

The fact is, if you've got an amazing talent on your hands, then put your money where your mouth is and tie him down to a longer deal. If you're not prepared to do that, then don't complain when someone else is.

 

[Blade58]

"in George Long and Jake Eastwood we have adequate cover"

http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/sheffield-united-aaron-ramsdale-3547953.aspx

The correct thing to say, but I don't quite buy it

Neither of those two imo are in a position to challenge Moore and on that basis would not be adequate cover should the unthinkable occur

No disrespect to JE btw, I'm making the assumption his age and inexperience of the first team would count him out as adequate cover. His time is yet to come, provided we don't sell him of course

 

[Barney]

It's within the power of every academy to offer a young player a 3, 4, or 5 year deal if they wish to secure his services. But to suggest that the club should be entitled to terminate such an agreement, if the prospect doesn't develop as expected, without honouring the financial commitments of that contract is plain ridiculous. Notwithstanding that it's probably contrary to employment law.

The fact is, if you've got an amazing talent on your hands, then put your money where your mouth is and tie him down to a longer deal. If you're not prepared to do that, then don't complain when someone else is.

You've got a fair point. But it would solve the problem of the big clubs cherry picking academy players before the parent club can even get a chance to realise how good he is. Not that it would make much of a difference for us, as we just sell whether we have the power to keep the players or not.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Don't think it's the owner that's rich but his wife is something to do with Wilkos/Willkinsons so definitely not short of a few quid.

Good shout . Wilco head office and distribution depot is at Worksop which ain't a million miles away as say based os some owners are in Moscow at other clubs . . Think the Wilco family is worth around £100 million therefore are they really just like us with McCabe net worth no idea .

Not billionaires but good of them if they are putting the money were there mouth is and turning down big money offers .

In saying that IMO Wilder and McCabe have done us proud in this JTW.

UTB

 

[Weasel]

Disapointed to lose another young lad with talent, but in this instance i dont think Uyd had much say in the matter. It was simply a case of getting the best deal we could get before he walked away at the end of the season for ten bon and a conker.

What we do need to learn though is to try and tie down our better young prospects on long term deals once we have decided they are the real deal. The contracts can go up in increments each year sonthat the older the lad is the more he earns until he could be on a top wage for the club provided he meets certain targets and appearances.

I hope we have got Brooks and Whiteman and the likes of Semple and Slater tied up on contracts now. We should be telling players who dont want to commit with a year left of their contract only to find themselves a new club as we will be moving them on. We shouldnt be in this position where a player has 5 months of his contract left and us with sod all bargaining power.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Disapointed to lose another young lad with talent, but in this instance i dont think Uyd had much say in the matter. It was simply a case of getting the best deal we could get before he walked away at the end of the season for ten bon and a conker.

What we do need to learn though is to try and tie down our better young prospects on long term deals once we have decided they are the real deal. The contracts can go up in increments each year sonthat the older the lad is the more he earns until he could be on a top wage for the club provided he meets certain targets and appearances.

I hope we have got Brooks and Whiteman and the likes of Semple and Slater tied up on contracts now. We should be telling players who dont want to commit with a year left of their contract only to find themselves a new club as we will be moving them on. We shouldnt be in this position where a player has 5 months of his contract left and us with sod all bargaining power.

The dynamics of what you say will change if we are in the championship .

UTB

 

[1889]

You've got a fair point. But it would solve the problem of the big clubs cherry picking academy players before the parent club can even get a chance to realise how good he is.

Sheffield is geographically in a superb position to identify young talent from all points of the compass. We have an enviable record in doing so, whatever fans might say of the Academy, it is testament to it and the staff, that other clubs keep coming to Shirecliffe wanting to cherry pick our young players.

However, if the likes of Everton can see a players potential, then it shouldn't be beyond the wit of our coaches to see it first and if we want to keep them, prompt the offer of an appropriate length contract to secure their long term services

 

[bladesmanluke]

The dynamics of what you say will change if we are in the championship .

UTB

Like before we got relegated when we used to keep ahold of all our prospects?

Thank goodness.

 

[Ricky]

I absolutely hate that we've sold yet another top prospect for a pitiful amount. But at least there's an excuse this time - he would've left for less in the summer. But there's no excuse for not getting him on a proper contract in the first place. Is it really better to receive £2/3m less in a transfer fee than to pay him 3/4k per week? We knew full well how much potential he had, and what clubs were watching him. Would there really have been much risk?

It's a bit concerning that we've relied on selling the likes of DCL and Ramsdale to fund our signings. It's quite rare that we'd have two prospects like them to sell, yet when we have them we end up losing them for poor amounts to try to fund the signings we make. What will we do in normal circumstances when we don't have players like these to sell? Just sell our key player instead? Would we not have signed anybody this window if we weren't going to sell Ramsdale?

I was unhappy with what we did with DCL, but I'm going to wait and see how we deal with offers when it's more of a level playing field before deciding the club remain utterly useless in this department. For example if we get Brooks on a new contract and sell him cheaply next January then I'll be able to say with confidence that nothing has changed at this club.... and probably never will.

Regardless of our negotiating 'prowess' though, it's fucking infuriating how PL sides blatantly have money to burn yet still make absolutely sure they pay us the bare minimum for our players.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Like before we got relegated when we used to keep ahold of all our prospects?

Thank goodness.

Different time , different culture , different management team and a manager who cares so much about the club he has the balls to tell the chairman and board to fuck off if he thinks they are making the wrong shout or interfering on the football side of things with a detrimental negative outcome .

One of the assurances Wilder wanted at Charlton was FULL control all things football including transfers incoming and outgoing .

Nobody can tell me he didn't want the same at BDTBL in writing in a contract . That's our wobble exposed . . Wilder doesn't have complete control he walks blade or no bladey blade.

Read it to that what people want

UTB and thank fuck we have Wilder.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

It's within the power of every academy to offer a young player a 3, 4, or 5 year deal if they wish to secure his services. But to suggest that the club should be entitled to terminate such an agreement, if the prospect doesn't develop as expected, without honouring the financial commitments of that contract is plain ridiculous. Notwithstanding that it's probably contrary to employment law.

The fact is, if you've got an amazing talent on your hands, then put your money where your mouth is and tie him down to a longer deal. If you're not prepared to do that, then don't complain when someone else is.

I don't think you get it though pal - I really don't.

What deal do you think Rammy was on? £2k a week? Maybe not even that. If he'd got a 5 year contract it wouldn't have made one iota of difference.

You can't tie any player down to a deal if a bigger offer comes in and he wants to go. That's the reality. Look at Man U and Ronaldo.

With players so young as Rammy you've no idea whether he will work out. This deal could be good business for us - but it could turn out we lost the next England keeper?

The only thing you can do is get up the league and sell them on when you are a Prem club. Then you get more money to cover the uncertainty - that's all.

 

[SB_90]

When i heard the breaking news i was bit frustrated to lose Ramsdale, he was a great potential talent but alot like DCL after read the statement, i understand Wilder reasons. Because £1m + guessing usual add ons & sell on fee. For someone that wouldnt have played as were out of cups. Makes possible finalinal sense

At least we helped out celtic & chelsea fans this evening as they knew Begovic & Gordon wouldnt be leaving now, as Bournemouth had a Goalkeeper

 

[Fraggle Blade]

Clough has finally signed for forest.......Bolton have brought in Le Fondre on loan as a replacement

 

[knowsnowt]

Tea. Sausage. Lot up.
That will be my only comment on today.

 

[knowsnowt]

Sorry yesterday.

 

[knowsnowt]

Sorry, yesterday.

 

[knowsnowt]

Or is that ..... Sorry. Yesterday.
Oh fuck it. You get me.

 

[Supermatic]

"When the big clubs come knocking..." etc etc etc...

 

[Fanny magnet]

We have to get out of this shitoreah division

 

[B14Nco]

We simply cannot give these kids the kind of contracts people are saying we should.

Tie up £3/4 Gand a week on a couple of young kids that won't be in our first team for 2/3 years or get Fleck in for the here and now? Etc etc.

It's a bigger problem than Sheffield United... As the money gap widens and financial fair play kicks in it only strengthens prem teams position. Basically no club in lg1 will hang onto any kid with potential... it's just how it is. The fee teams receive will purely be based on how quick young uns can break through, adapt and how many games teams can get players to play between windows.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

I've got some family silver that I'd like to sell. Any suggestions?

Send it to Crewe. You'll get fuck all for it in Sheffield.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

Why are people complaining about what we got for him? Bristol Rovers got £300k for Matty Taylor!

He's untested, would not have played this season and out of contract and would have moved away in the summer. Good business for me.

Had a peek at their forum earlier. The early reports were that they were getting £7.5 million for him, which most of them we're understandably happy with (although still some werent). To say they were distraught at finding out he had a £300k release clause might be a bit of an understatement!

 

[Treeton Blade]

Money talks.

Ramsdale has been here a few seasons, grown an affinity for the club, involved with the first team, and as I have said on many occasions is the best keeper we have ever had at Youth level.

The first offer and he`s off.
Sheff Utd 19,000 gates, Bournemouth 12,000.

You would think with time on his side, he could have given us another couple of years. there would have been a good contract on offer, but being away with England turned his head, and the chance to have the Premier league player badge, and wages, no doubt following `advice` from his agent, and he is off.

If £800,000 is the fee it represents a decent deal where he is now, but he will develop into one of the country`s best keepers, and play for England.

I watch the U18s at every opportunity, but sometimes wonder if having an Academy is worth it.
Brentford shut theirs, I can fully understand why.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Money talks.

Ramsdale has been here a few seasons, grown an affinity for the club, involved with the first team, and as I have said on many occasions is the best keeper we have ever had at Youth level.

The first offer and he`s off.
Sheff Utd 19,000 gates, Bournemouth 12,000.

You would think with time on his side, he could have given us another couple of years. there would have been a good contract on offer, but being away with England turned his head, and the chance to have the Premier league player badge, and wages, no doubt following `advice` from his agent, and he is off.

If £800,000 is the fee it represents a decent deal where he is now, but he will develop into one of the country`s best keepers, and play for England.

I watch the U18s at every opportunity, but sometimes wonder if having an Academy is worth it.
Brentford shut theirs, I can fully understand why.

Nothing to do with gates . Getting £80million in the premiership might be more accurate .

It was actually the second offer . The fee is over a £1m which was above Wilders evaluation of the player .

We couldn't pay him what his agent wanted .

Bloody good deal for the blades and business by Wilder NOT McCabe who did not have the final say or did the player financial board . Wilder hold all the cards on who stays , who goes and who comes in .

Academy keep open or shut , again up to Wilder , but every young player we have sold has been a good business, with no detrimental affect to the first team .

Let's not forget we live in league division 1 , Bournemouth live in the premiership . Big difference in finances and who a player would want to play for .

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