CONFIRMED Aaron Ramsdale leaves for Bournemouth

[YES Blade]

For every Kyle Walker there's 50 Jacob Mellis. Weigh up the odds against actual ability, very difficult in these days of the grabbing agent. Then again a move to a PL club to sit on the bench for 5 years could set you up nicely. Money or a career?

The thing is Jacob Mellis and Jordan Slew have proven they aren't premiership quality and have found there level or might go further down the leagues.

Would staying at United have changed that? I very much doubt it, so surely they did the right thing for their careers and United. The only losers in those deals were Chelsea and Blackburn.

I can't see how they wasted their careers cause they were only at Chelsea and Blackburn for a few years whilst being loaned out during that time. It's wasn't like they were nearly 30 when they left.

It's disappointing to sell promising young players, but I can't really knock them for being ambitious and wanting to play at the highest level they possibly can.

 

[YES Blade]

Absolutely NOT saying it couldn't happen. What I am saying is for a Goalkeeper it is extremely difficult.
Loan would be the next step as Crabster has said. But look at the goalkeepers currently in situ in the PL. Not one incumbent is a product of the youth team of the club they now serve. That is the extent of the difficulty Ramsdale faces.

That's because those keepers that started out at Premiership academies weren't good enough.

Donnarumma was mentioned earlier in this thread, if he came through a Premiership academy he would be playing for that club. There is no prejudice against academy players, they just need to be good enough to play.

 

[Snowman]

Using Joe Hart and Kyle Walker as comparisons, they both went out on loan more than once after joining Man City and Spurs. Once they showed their worth they got a chance in the first team and took it.

Why couldn't Ramsdale do the same?

Can I also introduce you to Harry Kane? Out on loan many times. Not thought of as good enough. Suddenly came good. As many Spurs fans have said to me - "thank fuck we were wrong and no one listened to us". If Ramsdale's good enough he will make it. My only worry for Ramsdale is that Wenger is as bad a judge of keepers as Danny Wilson, Nigel Cough and Goosey Goosey Adkins all bundled up together.

 

[albinonick]

Don't get why, after using an exclamation mark you then choose to emphasise this by using the word exclamation in brackets.

Again, these are questions best directed towards Chris Wilder. If, as you say, Ramsdale is desperate to play, wouldn't it be advisable for him to speak to the manager? Or is this something he hasn't considered? It seems straightforward, if a player has a problem then he talks to his manager to see if a solution can be found...or am I missing something?

Ramsdale has spoken to CW and to Wardy. Ive posted before the outcome of the discussions. Time will tell pointless going on about it.

 

[Snowman]

Ramsdale has spoken to CW and to Wardy. Ive posted before the outcome of the discussions. Time will tell pointless going on about it.

Just point me to that. I don't fancy searching tonight.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Ramsdale has spoken to CW and to Wardy. Ive posted before the outcome of the discussions. Time will tell pointless going on about it.

Same as Snowman, curious to see what's developed.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

The thing is Jacob Mellis and Jordan Slew have proven they aren't premiership quality and have found there level or might go further down the leagues.

Would staying at United have changed that? I very much doubt it, so surely they did the right thing for their careers and United. The only losers in those deals were Chelsea and Blackburn.

I can't see how they wasted their careers cause they were only at Chelsea and Blackburn for a few years whilst being loaned out during that time. It's wasn't like they were nearly 30 when they left.

It's disappointing to sell promising young players, but I can't really knock them for being ambitious and wanting to play at the highest level they possibly can.

Hard to say if 2 or 3 more seasons of regular football would've made any difference. Mellis, DCL et al with so few games effectively exchange development squad here to there with a much lesser chance of breaking through to the 1st team squad. Football and playing regularly becomes secondary to getting a decent wedge with a lesser chance of regular games. It's a quandary for sure, and I don't really blame them for going for it.

 

[Hague Blade]

DCL played the last 11 minutes for Everton tonight. Against Arsenal, in the Premier League. He may never break the Everton first team squad again, but it's hard to blame him for having given it a shot. Potentially even harder for a keeper, I agree, but I can entirely understand why young, ambitious players will take the risk.

 

[FatLadFromSheffield]

I think the point is YES, goalkeeper is not a position Premier League teams need (or want) to blood youngsters. I think you'll find not one first choice PL goalie has come from within the youth set up at that club.
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Your point generally is correct, although I would argue that Jordan Pickford is currently no.1 for his team.

Going back on topic, I wouldn't blame Ramsdale for leaving to a prem club, especially one like Arsenal/Liverpool. Better facilities, coaching, money and loan opportunities.

 

[1889]

I think it's a difficult situation really and one that is specific to goalkeepers. Ramsdale is clearly regarded as the second best keeper at the club and Long, as I understand it, has been told that he can find another club.

So I fail to see why Ramsdale is not given a run out for the U23s when their game does not clash with the first team? You have to wonder how long he can retain his England place, when he is playing so infrequently?

Personally I think it would make more sense to play Ramsdale in the U23 and keep him match fit, whilst having Long on the bench to come on if necessary. Should Moore suffer a long term injury, then I'd put Ramsdale in.

I mean lets be realistic, we managed with Jagielka as the sub keeper for long enough and that Arsenal game is probably the last time I can remember a change of keeper?

 

[finlaytheblade]

Chris Wilder has already said that you can't stand in the way of a young player who is wanted by premier clubs, we are sitting ducks while in this division . It does encourage young lads to join us as there parents see an avenue to riches,we just need to get out of this division..
The Man Utd of this world will always take the very best as money talks.

 

[S64 Blade]

I mean lets be realistic, we managed with Jagielka as the sub keeper for long enough and that Arsenal game is probably the last time I can remember a change of keeper?

George Long actually came on as a sub at Leyton Orient, in about 2012.

 

[1889]

George Long actually came on as a sub at Leyton Orient, in about 2012.

Thanks, I knew someone would correct me! Looks like Ramsdale can look forward to twenty minutes or so, in about 2018 then

 

[Teddy]

George Long actually came on as a sub at Leyton Orient, in about 2012.

Remember that game well, it galvanised us if anything. Cracking away support and we just sang "George Long" on a loop for the rest of the game.

Won it 0-1 with a stonker of a long range punt from Nick Blackman if memory serves?

 

[Grappler]

Remember that game well, it galvanised us if anything. Cracking away support and we just sang "George Long" on a loop for the rest of the game.

Won it 0-1 with a stonker of a long range punt from Nick Blackman if memory serves?

Yes Teddy, your memory serves, superb strike from Blackman and George Long was subbed in, only minutes into the game, and played a blinder, saved some great shots.

 

[albinonick]

Ramsdale has spoken to CW and to Wardy. Ive posted before the outcome of the discussions. Time will tell pointless going on about it.

Got it on good authority ramsdale signed emergency loan to play alongside his brother in wolverhampton. In aladin

 

[albinonick]

Its time for me to go for all those following Aaron Ramsdale keep doing so however it goes. I'm just a supporter of good young players thats all. Moving on to another job and goin abroard. So merry christmas UTB! ( so love exclamation marks.)

 

[larkymasher]

After being accused of being Ramsdales dad i have kept away from posting but after reading this i thought i would comment.

Albinonick seems very ITK to the point of orchestrating this thread. I understand what he is saying but as far as game time is concerned how can he possibly expect Ramsdale to play U23s as well as be part of first team training? It will not happen. He is getting all the experience he needs being around the first team, travelling with them and being coached day in day out.
Be the 23s keeper or be on the first team bench? Its a no brainer, first team bench every time.

As with any young player, a big club offering a stack of money and he will be off. Only if that player is playing week min week out for our first team can the even consider staying ( Maguire springs to mind)
Ramsdale is not playing for the first team and rightly so. Moore is the man.Hence Ramsdale will leave with a decent offer on the table.

Oh.... and i promise i am not his dad.

 

[Barney]

Any update from the Arsenal end? Going to them then loaned to Wolves?

Don't think we should sell for any less than £1m personally.

 

[Caseh]

Can I also introduce you to Harry Kane? Out on loan many times. Not thought of as good enough. Suddenly came good. As many Spurs fans have said to me - "thank fuck we were wrong and no one listened to us". If Ramsdale's good enough he will make it. My only worry for Ramsdale is that Wenger is as bad a judge of keepers as Danny Wilson, Nigel Cough and Goosey Goosey Adkins all bundled up together.

Wenger doesn't make their youth team signings for the most part, and I also don't see Wenger been at Arsenal much longer - So that shouldn't be a problem for Ramsdale.

 

[Reedy1889]

Everton have had a bid rejected by Sheffield United for their England U19s keeper Aaron Ramsdale. The 18-year old has represented England at Under-18s and Under-19s and has been on the bench at Bramall Lane for most of the season.

 

[Ricky]

They will have been impressed with how he recovered from his early mistake the other night.

We might as well sell him now. It doesn't look like he's signing a new contract and we won't get much from a tribunal.

Either sell him, or play him. It's not like Moore's been faultless.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

How much is he worth at this point in time.

 

[gavtheblade]

How much is he worth at this point in time.

For his age and English caps,I'd take no less than 2million.

 

[Esablade]

For his age and English caps,I'd take no less than 2million.

Phew...that would pay for a lot of Desso, we could put another layer on the top!

 

[gavtheblade]

We've undersold our youth for years, I don't think 2million price tag for an up and coming English goal keeper is that much of an ask.

 

[Ricky]

£1.5m and 20% of any future transfer fee.

Much better than what we'd get at a tribunal.

 

[Barney]

We shouldn't sell unless they're offering something ridiculous.

It seems to be well known that Ramsdale has unbelievable potential.

 

[Ivanhoe]

In the 70's it was "The Dirties" Who had our pants down, in more recent years it's been the "Spuds" and "Toffies" who see us as a soft touch. It's about time we took a leaf out of Southamptons book, and get top price for our starlets.
It's like "Bargain Hunt" when certain clubs come calling. Tell em to "Fuq Off" and develop their own.

 

[Ricky]

We shouldn't sell unless they're offering something ridiculous.

It seems to be well known that Ramsdale has unbelievable potential.

His contract situation will dictate though, especially if he's indicated he isn't going to sign a new one. As far as we're concerned tomorrow's probably the last day of his contract - as soon as the transfer deadline passes and he's still here, we'll be resigned to losing him to a tribunal.

It's very disappointing that we've allowed a situation to develop where Ramsdale, Whiteman and Brooks are all out of contract this summer.