CONFIRMED Aaron Ramsdale leaves for Bournemouth

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itsinyerblood said:
Silly comment considering we've a good keeper in Moore. Are we meant to pander to youngsters simply because someone says they have potential? We've been stuck in a rut for far too long, now Wilder has gathered good players around him to change things. What if a young midfield player has a good reserve game? Do we jettison our existing midfield lineup? Time to stop the stupidity and be happy we have a team that's doing well for a change.
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Moore is the best keeper at utd. He plays we have a great chance of promotion!! Ramsdales not ready to take over and never will be if he doesnt play and get game time in u23's
 

itsinyerblood said:
Wilder clearly disputes your opinion, I assume you think Wilder doesn't know what he's doing?
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I really do not understand your comment! U23's played crewe at crewe tonite.Ramsdale didnt play! So you tell me whats happening.
 
albinonick said:
I really do not understand your comment! U23's played crewe at crewe tonite.Ramsdale didnt play! So you tell me whats happening.
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I really do not understand your comment! For one moment I really did believe that you imagined I was employed by Chris Wilder and made a vital contribution towards team selection.
 
albinonick said:
No im not. started watching Ramsdale at the academy. Got talking to his dad and mom. Watch him at the lane with the family. Have a beer n chat after the games in the hotel.
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With us having a game Thursday I would assume Rammers will be training tomorrow with first team squad,,23 s will have the day off training tomorrow.having played today.planning for Thursday will probably begin tomorrow of which he is part of, that's probably the reason he didn't play today
 
finlaytheblade said:
With us having a game Thursday I would assume Rammers will be training tomorrow with first team squad,,23 s will have the day off training tomorrow.having played today.planning for Thursday will probably begin tomorrow of which he is part of, that's probably the reason he didn't play today
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And what part in the planning does the sub goalie do!! Move the fukin dummy wall around to practice free kicks!
 
albinonick said:
And what part in the planning does the sub goalie do!! Move the fukin dummy wall around to practice free kicks!
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You seem unusually angry. Again, you clearly dispute Chris Wilder's reasons for including Ramsdale in the first team squad. Perhaps you ought to write to CW and explain where he's going so badly wrong with his goalkeeper.
 
itsinyerblood said:
You seem unusually angry. Again, you clearly dispute Chris Wilder's reasons for including Ramsdale in the first team squad. Perhaps you ought to write to CW and explain where he's going so badly wrong with his goalkeeper.
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No im not angry. You are missing the point the lad wants to play football. The start of this thread was about him leaving and his family and advisers advising him to move and take the money. All im trying to do as someone who chats with his dad and watches him play is post their side. Aaron wants to play football.He got noticed by playing football. He could play u23's and still be on the bench. He would be match ready should Simon Moore get injured. It aint rocket science. If Ramsdale is such a prospect why aint he playing to develop as a keeper with Long on the bench? Why is Long playin 23's and Aaron training. Surely to god if u want to keep a prospect u make him as good as you can. If you want to sell the other keeper let him train n sit on the bench like Lee Grant at Derby now ripping it up at premier club Stoke City. The more a player doesnt play the more frustrated they get. Or am i missing something!(exclamation)
 
albinonick said:
No im not. started watching Ramsdale at the academy. Got talking to his dad and mom. Watch him at the lane with the family. Have a beer n chat after the games in the hotel.
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I see. So you'll know from that then that this time last year Ramsdale and Willis were alternating in what was then the U21s, with our first team back-up at the time Howard on the first team bench. We have for quite a while had a practice where the back-up keeper trains with the first team, is on the bench, plays cup games when they can, and doesn't play in the reserves. Far from being "treated unfairly" he's being treated as a second choice keeper for the first team.

Which he is.
 
albinonick said:
No im not angry. You are missing the point the lad wants to play football. The start of this thread was about him leaving and his family and advisers advising him to move and take the money. All im trying to do as someone who chats with his dad and watches him play is post their side. Aaron wants to play football.He got noticed by playing football. He could play u23's and still be on the bench. He would be match ready should Simon Moore get injured. It aint rocket science. If Ramsdale is such a prospect why aint he playing to develop as a keeper with Long on the bench? Why is Long playin 23's and Aaron training. Surely to god if u want to keep a prospect u make him as good as you can. If you want to sell the other keeper let him train n sit on the bench like Lee Grant at Derby now ripping it up at premier club Stoke City. The more a player doesnt play the more frustrated they get. Or am i missing something!(exclamation)
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Don't get why, after using an exclamation mark you then choose to emphasise this by using the word exclamation in brackets.

Again, these are questions best directed towards Chris Wilder. If, as you say, Ramsdale is desperate to play, wouldn't it be advisable for him to speak to the manager? Or is this something he hasn't considered? It seems straightforward, if a player has a problem then he talks to his manager to see if a solution can be found...or am I missing something?
 
albinonick said:
No im not angry. You are missing the point the lad wants to play football. The start of this thread was about him leaving and his family and advisers advising him to move and take the money. All im trying to do as someone who chats with his dad and watches him play is post their side. Aaron wants to play football.He got noticed by playing football. He could play u23's and still be on the bench. He would be match ready should Simon Moore get injured. It aint rocket science. If Ramsdale is such a prospect why aint he playing to develop as a keeper with Long on the bench? Why is Long playin 23's and Aaron training. Surely to god if u want to keep a prospect u make him as good as you can. If you want to sell the other keeper let him train n sit on the bench like Lee Grant at Derby now ripping it up at premier club Stoke City. The more a player doesnt play the more frustrated they get. Or am i missing something!(exclamation)
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It is just that if Ramsdale is a part of the first team squad which he is, he has to train with the first team squad.

If everybody in the first team squad under 23 went off and played other games while the first team are training it would be a right disjointed mess.

Plus Wilder will want to keep everybody together as a unit.
 
Barney said:
It is just that if Ramsdale is a part of the first team squad which he is, he has to train with the first team squad.

If everybody in the first team squad under 23 went off and played other games while the first team are training it would be a right disjointed mess.

Plus Wilder will want to keep everybody together as a unit.
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That is it Barney as simple ad you put it.We are also Ramsdale fans. Chris Wilder is the manager and wouldn't do anything to spoil Rammers career.He is potentially a great keeper ( I did post about him last season) our manager is doing a grand job, let him get on with it
 
YES Blade said:
I never said he will be a great success and a future England no. 1.

The point I'm making is that players do move from lower league clubs and make it. You can't write them off before their career has really started.
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The point is that the top clubs are signing players that are not British. Arsenal can easily buy the best goalkeepers on the planet, I doubt Arsenal will give him much chance to improve by being stuck playing for the under 21s.

Man City got rid of Joe Hart, they didn't let some wonderkid from the academy play, they went and bought a foreign player in Claudio Bravo. They do not care about English players, they will just keep on signing foreigners for cheap

We all know that what Arsenal want to do is sign him for dirt cheap, loan him out of a championship club, play great for them, have his value increase dramatically and then sell for huge profit. They're not bothered about signing an 18 year old Aaron Ramsdale from League 1 Sheffield United for him to play in the first team, when they can sign a 17 year old from AC Milan for example called Gianluigi Donnarumma.
 
Blade58 said:
That means compo rather than an agreed fee I presume

It will be a shame to see him leave when we haven't had the pleasure of seeing him represent the first team on a regular basis

There better be a massive sell on clause
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:tumbleweed:

UTB & FTP
 

Lmaobob said:
The point is that the top clubs are signing players that are not British. Arsenal can easily buy the best goalkeepers on the planet, I doubt Arsenal will give him much chance to improve by being stuck playing for the under 21s.

Man City got rid of Joe Hart, they didn't let some wonderkid from the academy play, they went and bought a foreign player in Claudio Bravo. They do not care about English players, they will just keep on signing foreigners for cheap

We all know that what Arsenal want to do is sign him for dirt cheap, loan him out of a championship club, play great for them, have his value increase dramatically and then sell for huge profit. They're not bothered about signing an 18 year old Aaron Ramsdale from League 1 Sheffield United for him to play in the first team, when they can sign a 17 year old from AC Milan for example called Gianluigi Donnarumma.
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I wouldn't describe spending £17m on Claudio Bravo as cheap personally, I'd say that's a big fee for a keeper. As for Donnarumma, do you really think he will be leaving Milan in a hurry? If he continues with his current rate of progress he'll only leave for Real or Barca, not Arsenal! You've been playing too much football manager if you think he's a realistic target for them.

Do you honestly think Arsenal only sign young players for profit and not to play in the first team? Ramsey, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain are proof they don't, you can also add players like Wilshere and Iwobi who have come from the academy.

If a player is good enough, they will get a chance at Arsenal, but it's difficult to break into Champions League side, so less players do it, but it's not impossible. If a player is good enough he will make it at a top club, just ask Kyle Walker.
 
YES Blade said:
I wouldn't describe spending £17m on Claudio Bravo as cheap personally, I'd say that's a big fee for a keeper. As for Donnarumma, do you really think he will be leaving Milan in a hurry? If he continues with his current rate of progress he'll only leave for Real or Barca, not Arsenal! You've been playing too much football manager if you think he's a realistic target for them.

Do you honestly think Arsenal only sign young players for profit and not to play in the first team? Ramsey, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain are proof they don't, you can also add players like Wilshere and Iwobi who have come from the academy.

If a player is good enough, they will get a chance at Arsenal, but it's difficult to break into Champions League side, so less players do it, but it's not impossible. If a player is good enough he will make it at a top club, just ask Kyle Walker.
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Well, was using Donnarumma as an example. He'll go to Juventus probably and replace Mr Buffon. In this day and age, £17m for a Champions League side in a league that made £5bn from TV licensing, is pocket change.

£1m for example, for Ramsdale is probably what Arsenal wipe their arses with day to day. Ospina is Cech's replacement/backup, and then Emiliano Martinez is Ospina's backup.

Martinez is from Argentina and is only 24, players like these are the players that top premier league clubs sign. Ramsdale wouldn't go near the first team, unless if he plays regular championship matches, which at this rate he is definitely not
 
Lmaobob said:
Well, was using Donnarumma as an example. He'll go to Juventus probably and replace Mr Buffon. In this day and age, £17m for a Champions League side in a league that made £5bn from TV licensing, is pocket change.

£1m for example, for Ramsdale is probably what Arsenal wipe their arses with day to day. Ospina is Cech's replacement/backup, and then Emiliano Martinez is Ospina's backup.

Martinez is from Argentina and is only 24, players like these are the players that top premier league clubs sign. Ramsdale wouldn't go near the first team, unless if he plays regular championship matches, which at this rate he is definitely not
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I'm not saying Ramsdale would walk straight into Arsenal's first team, but I'm not going to write the lad off just yet either. For all any of us know, he could sign for Arsenal and by the time he is 25, be their number 1 and have 10 England caps. The chances are he won't, but you could have also said Kyle Walker was stupid to sign for Spurs when he did, but it didn't do him any harm.

Jordan Slew goes to Blackburn and fails, so now all of a sudden every young player at United is stupid to have any ambition to try and play at the highest level. They should all just know their place and don't move above League One.
 
YES Blade said:
I'm not saying Ramsdale would walk straight into Arsenal's first team, but I'm not going to write the lad off just yet either. For all any of us know, he could sign for Arsenal and by the time he is 25, be their number 1 and have 10 England caps. The chances are he won't, but you could have also said Kyle Walker was stupid to sign for Spurs when he did, but it didn't do him any harm.

Jordan Slew goes to Blackburn and fails, so now all of a sudden every young player at United is stupid to have any ambition to try and play at the highest level. They should all just know their place and don't move above League One.
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We all knew Kyle Walker was outstanding. When he made his league debut against Swansea in 2009 I said "that was the most impressive debut I had ever seen and I think he will play for England". He would have been happy to stay with us if we had rejected Spurs offer
 
YES Blade said:
I'm not saying Ramsdale would walk straight into Arsenal's first team, but I'm not going to write the lad off just yet either.
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I think the point is YES, goalkeeper is not a position Premier League teams need (or want) to blood youngsters. I think you'll find not one first choice PL goalie has come from within the youth set up at that club.
The money is there (and the risks of dropping out too great) that they will shop for experience every time they need a replacement for what they've got now.

If there is just one club in the PL who might give him a go it would probably be the Arse as Wenger has gone years with sub standard keepers and likes a "young 'un" but the odds say even they won't.
 
Grecian2000 said:
I think the point is YES, goalkeeper is not a position Premier League teams need (or want) to blood youngsters. I think you'll find not one first choice PL goalie has come from within the youth set up at that club.
The money is there (and the risks of dropping out too great) that they will shop for experience every time they need a replacement for what they've got now.

If there is just one club in the PL who might give him a go it would probably be the Arse as Wenger has gone years with sub standard keepers and likes a "young 'un" but the odds say even they won't.
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Probably loan him out elsewhere to develop him.
 
Grecian2000 said:
I think the point is YES, goalkeeper is not a position Premier League teams need (or want) to blood youngsters. I think you'll find not one first choice PL goalie has come from within the youth set up at that club.
The money is there (and the risks of dropping out too great) that they will shop for experience every time they need a replacement for what they've got now.

If there is just one club in the PL who might give him a go it would probably be the Arse as Wenger has gone years with sub standard keepers and likes a "young 'un" but the odds say even they won't.
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Using Joe Hart and Kyle Walker as comparisons, they both went out on loan more than once after joining Man City and Spurs. Once they showed their worth they got a chance in the first team and took it.

Why couldn't Ramsdale do the same?
 
YES Blade said:
Using Joe Hart and Kyle Walker as comparisons, they both went out on loan more than once after joining Man City and Spurs. Once they showed their worth they got a chance in the first team and took it.

Why couldn't Ramsdale do the same?
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Absolutely NOT saying it couldn't happen. What I am saying is for a Goalkeeper it is extremely difficult.
Loan would be the next step as Crabster has said. But look at the goalkeepers currently in situ in the PL. Not one incumbent is a product of the youth team of the club they now serve. That is the extent of the difficulty Ramsdale faces.
 
YES Blade said:
Using Joe Hart and Kyle Walker as comparisons, they both went out on loan more than once after joining Man City and Spurs. Once they showed their worth they got a chance in the first team and took it.

Why couldn't Ramsdale do the same?
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For every Kyle Walker there's 50 Jacob Mellis. Weigh up the odds against actual ability, very difficult in these days of the grabbing agent. Then again a move to a PL club to sit on the bench for 5 years could set you up nicely. Money or a career?
 

SouthEssexBlade said:
For every Kyle Walker there's 50 Jacob Mellis. Weigh up the odds against actual ability, very difficult in these days of the grabbing agent. Then again a move to a PL club to sit on the bench for 5 years could set you up nicely. Money or a career?
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That's the thing nowadays, the money has changed everything. Tell a young lad aged around 20, "you can stay here and play, or you can go there and within three years have made enough to buy a house for cash, buy a couple of cars for cash, and basically have enough in the bank never to have to work again....."

Compare that to another thread on here recently, about what other ex players ended up doing, and quite a few ended up as painter and decorators, etc.
 
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