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That painting by Rolf Harris was bought when the Sheaf Valley Baths were demolished by Paul Fletcher, owner of Fletchers Bakeries, and ended up hung on the wall on one of the production lines, Lanham 5, until the day it was destroyed when half of Fletchers burnt down.
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Paul Fletcher knocked down Sheaf Valley Baths?

He was built like Charles Haughtry!
 
Sheffield is definitely lagging well behind nearly every other similarly sized city. Speaking from personal experience i think Sheffield city centre is like a bombsite compared to other cities that i see a lot of. I work in Nottingham, and most days i drive to Liverpool and have a break in Liverpool. Liverpool is a similar size to Sheffield, has got a similar socio-economic background.

On my breaks i usually go and have a wander around Liverpool, I've got the museums, a 15 minute walk and I've got Albert Dock where i can walk down to and have a coffee, Liverpool One shopping centre with all the latest shops, it is always packed and thriving. As an example you've got a huge JD Sports store, i couldn't even tell you where JD Sports was in Sheffield, you've got a Fred Perry shop, Pretty Green shop, you've got all the top end shops, and all the bottom end shops if that is your thing. You've got everything you could possibly want within a 15 minute walk, then compare to Sheffield. there is absolutely fuck all in Sheffield that compares, unless you want to go to Meadowhall for a soulless, insipid trip to a shopping mall beside the M1. There isn't a single tourist attraction in Sheffield that makes people want to visit Sheffield,. Every weekend i see stag and hen do's a plenty heading to Liverpool, they might not be pretty but they bring in a lot of money, would anyone ever want to come to Sheffield for a stag or hen do?

You look at Nottingham and it is the same, it has got a big tourist landmark, Nottingham Castle, but it also has all the top end shops, a vibrant nightlife, loads of good places to eat. Everything is well planned out and well thought out, and it has had the investment in it. You get off the train in Sheffield and you have got a 10 minute walk past the all the beggars and vagrants to get in to the city centre, when you get to Nottingham you have a 5 minute walk down the road and you are straight in the Broadmarsh centre on the egde of the city centre. Sheffield City Centre has the fountains but it is merely a gateway to nothing much.

I'm not deliberately slating Sheffield, i really enjoy living in Sheffield, it has a lot going for it, mainly the scenary, cheap housing, and the feel that it is still a genuinely nice place to live, but for the city centre. That is like a bombsite has hit, there is absolutely nothing to ever need to go in to the city centre for, the only time i ever go near it is for the train station, or to go to the match, and that is what needs to change.

And before people start jumping on the backs of the traditionally socialist council, it was the same left leaning council that delivered us a world class tram network and a flagship out of town shopping complex well before anyone else had one.
 
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Sheffield is definitely lagging well behind nearly every other similarly sized city. Speaking from personal experience i think Sheffield city centre is like a bombsite compared to other cities that i see a lot of. I work in Nottingham, and most days i drive to Liverpool and have a break in Liverpool. Liverpool is a similar size to Sheffield, has got a similar socio-economic background.

On my breaks i usually go and have a wander around Liverpool, I've got the museums, a 15 minute walk and I've got Albert Dock where i can walk down to and have a coffee, Liverpool One shopping centre with all the latest shops, it is always packed and thriving. As an example you've got a huge JD Sports store, i couldn't even tell you where JD Sports was in Sheffield, you've got a Fred Perry shop, Pretty Green shop, you've got all the top end shops, and all the bottom end shops if that is your thing. You've got everything you could possibly want within a 15 minute walk, then compare to Sheffield. there is absolutely fuck all in Sheffield that compares, unless you want to go to Meadowhall for a soulless, insipid trip to a shopping mall beside the M1. There isn't a single tourist attraction in Sheffield that makes people want to visit Sheffield,. Every weekend i see stag and hen do's a plenty heading to Liverpool, they might not be pretty but they bring in a lot of money, would anyone ever want to come to Sheffield for a stag or hen do?

You look at Nottingham and it is the same, it has got a big tourist landmark, Nottingham Castle, but it also has all the top end shops, a vibrant nightlife, loads of good places to eat. Everything is well planned out and well thought out, and it has had the investment in it. You get off the train in Sheffield and you have got a 10 minute walk past the all the beggars and vagrants to get in to the city centre, when you get to Nottingham you have a 5 minute walk down the road and you are straight in the Broadmarsh centre on the egde of the city centre. Sheffield City Centre has the fountains but it is merely a gateway to nothing much.

I'm not deliberately slating Sheffield, i really enjoy living in Sheffield, it has a lot going for it, mainly the scenary, cheap housing, and the feel that it is still a genuinely nice place to live, but for the city centre. That is like a bombsite has hit, there is absolutely nothing to ever need to go in to the city centre for, the only time i ever go near it is for the train station, or to go to the match, and that is what needs to change.

And before people start jumping on the backs of the traditionally socialist council, it was the same left leaning council that delivered us a world class tram network and a flagship out of town shopping complex well before anyone else had one.
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Agree with much of that but having a Fred Perry and a Pretty Green shop doesn't really point to the height of fashion if your are making comparisons.
Sheffield biggest market for those two brands is probably the Terminus at Darnall.
 
Just one example of Sheffield's narrow minded inflexible attitude to business is that when Siemens was looking to build a huge Northern HQ the then CEO , a pal of mine , wanted to do his bit for his home town and put it in Sheffield. But the attitude of the Council in negotiations prior to planning & construction was so obstructive that he reluctantly ended up building it in South Manchester where the Council knows and has always known the value of having as much enterprise , commerce and jobs as it can. Hence Manchester is one of the world's thriving cities and Sheffield used to make a lot of steel.
 
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Sheffield is definitely lagging well behind nearly every other similarly sized city. Speaking from personal experience i think Sheffield city centre is like a bombsite compared to other cities that i see a lot of. I work in Nottingham, and most days i drive to Liverpool and have a break in Liverpool. Liverpool is a similar size to Sheffield, has got a similar socio-economic background.

On my breaks i usually go and have a wander around Liverpool, I've got the museums, a 15 minute walk and I've got Albert Dock where i can walk down to and have a coffee, Liverpool One shopping centre with all the latest shops, it is always packed and thriving. As an example you've got a huge JD Sports store, i couldn't even tell you where JD Sports was in Sheffield, you've got a Fred Perry shop, Pretty Green shop, you've got all the top end shops, and all the bottom end shops if that is your thing. You've got everything you could possibly want within a 15 minute walk, then compare to Sheffield. there is absolutely fuck all in Sheffield that compares, unless you want to go to Meadowhall for a soulless, insipid trip to a shopping mall beside the M1. There isn't a single tourist attraction in Sheffield that makes people want to visit Sheffield,. Every weekend i see stag and hen do's a plenty heading to Liverpool, they might not be pretty but they bring in a lot of money, would anyone ever want to come to Sheffield for a stag or hen do?

You look at Nottingham and it is the same, it has got a big tourist landmark, Nottingham Castle, but it also has all the top end shops, a vibrant nightlife, loads of good places to eat. Everything is well planned out and well thought out, and it has had the investment in it. You get off the train in Sheffield and you have got a 10 minute walk past the all the beggars and vagrants to get in to the city centre, when you get to Nottingham you have a 5 minute walk down the road and you are straight in the Broadmarsh centre on the egde of the city centre. Sheffield City Centre has the fountains but it is merely a gateway to nothing much.

I'm not deliberately slating Sheffield, i really enjoy living in Sheffield, it has a lot going for it, mainly the scenary, cheap housing, and the feel that it is still a genuinely nice place to live, but for the city centre. That is like a bombsite has hit, there is absolutely nothing to ever need to go in to the city centre for, the only time i ever go near it is for the train station, or to go to the match, and that is what needs to change.

And before people start jumping on the backs of the traditionally socialist council, it was the same left leaning council that delivered us a world class tram network and a flagship out of town shopping complex well before anyone else had one.
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I agree nearly 100% with that Brownie ,
The people in the city are fantastic and friendly , and will go out of there way to help you .
I read the star on line and sometimes Iam embarrassed with the lack of forsite by the council , how long is the shopping area in the city centre on the go , ikea's finally got planning permission , HSBC are moving into a new office and some people are objecting to bringing jobs and growth to the city .
Sheffield is a fantastic city , and I miss it all the time , I can't wait to come over on satdi
Then when I get back on the train to manchester airport my heart will be in my boots knowing I'm going from the city I grew up in ,and love .
To a city in now call home .along with an Irish accent now :(
I'm proud to be from Sheffield , but it's being left behind by every other major northern city , for invest , renewal , and jobs , you don't have to ride over people to get things done but just look ahead 5 / 10 / 15 years .
The area around the peace gardens is a lovely spot , go up that way straight out of midland station and the area is very nice .
If Sheffield is truly a city on the move it needs to move with our times now .
The tram system is much better than Dublins at the moment , it's currently been joined together now , somethings do work and work well .
This is not an over the top job aimed at the council but forward thinking is needed .
To help our great city catch up .
Im proud of my roots , I wish I could have stayed there and found work in Sheffield
But it wasn't to be :( .
 
frank drebin said:
So in summary if only sheffielders voted tory the city centre would be a thriving metropolis like Leeds and Manchester both labour run councils
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Leeds and Manchester are just Labour councils ........ Sheffield council is so radically leftie that even Corbyn has disowned them as nutters ..... :eek:

UTB & FTP
 
dublin 10 blade said:
I agree nearly 100% with that Brownie ,
The people in the city are fantastic and friendly , and will go out of there way to help you .
I read the star on line and sometimes Iam embarrassed with the lack of forsite by the council , how long is the shopping area in the city centre on the go , ikea's finally got planning permission , HSBC are moving into a new office and some people are objecting to bringing jobs and growth to the city .
Sheffield is a fantastic city , and I miss it all the time , I can't wait to come over on satdi
Then when I get back on the train to manchester airport my heart will be in my boots knowing I'm going from the city I grew up in ,and love .
To a city in now call home .along with an Irish accent now :(
I'm proud to be from Sheffield , but it's being left behind by every other major northern city , for invest , renewal , and jobs , you don't have to ride over people to get things done but just look ahead 5 / 10 / 15 years .
The area around the peace gardens is a lovely spot , go up that way straight out of midland station and the area is very nice .
If Sheffield is truly a city on the move it needs to move with our times now .
The tram system is much better than Dublins at the moment , it's currently been joined together now , somethings do work and work well .
This is not an over the top job aimed at the council but forward thinking is needed .
To help our great city catch up .
Im proud of my roots , I wish I could have stayed there and found work in Sheffield
But it wasn't to be :( .
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A lot of us had to leave to find work and opportunities which is a shame. Sheffield lost a lot of good people, you can see that from the number of exiles on here.
And ironically, I'm guessing by the time IKEA is built and open it will be going out of fashion and be about as popular and trendy as Habitat. And while Londoners and Mancs are all going to some new Japanese place that sells tiny furniture for the tiny homes that are being built, Sheffielders will still be buying flat pack wardrobes called 'shmern' or something.
 
There can be no arguing that Sheffield lags behind other similar sized cities. The money just isn't here
 
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Sheffield is definitely lagging well behind nearly every other similarly sized city. Speaking from personal experience i think Sheffield city centre is like a bombsite compared to other cities that i see a lot of. I work in Nottingham, and most days i drive to Liverpool and have a break in Liverpool. Liverpool is a similar size to Sheffield, has got a similar socio-economic background.

On my breaks i usually go and have a wander around Liverpool, I've got the museums, a 15 minute walk and I've got Albert Dock where i can walk down to and have a coffee, Liverpool One shopping centre with all the latest shops, it is always packed and thriving. As an example you've got a huge JD Sports store, i couldn't even tell you where JD Sports was in Sheffield, you've got a Fred Perry shop, Pretty Green shop, you've got all the top end shops, and all the bottom end shops if that is your thing. You've got everything you could possibly want within a 15 minute walk, then compare to Sheffield. there is absolutely fuck all in Sheffield that compares, unless you want to go to Meadowhall for a soulless, insipid trip to a shopping mall beside the M1. There isn't a single tourist attraction in Sheffield that makes people want to visit Sheffield,. Every weekend i see stag and hen do's a plenty heading to Liverpool, they might not be pretty but they bring in a lot of money, would anyone ever want to come to Sheffield for a stag or hen do?

You look at Nottingham and it is the same, it has got a big tourist landmark, Nottingham Castle, but it also has all the top end shops, a vibrant nightlife, loads of good places to eat. Everything is well planned out and well thought out, and it has had the investment in it. You get off the train in Sheffield and you have got a 10 minute walk past the all the beggars and vagrants to get in to the city centre, when you get to Nottingham you have a 5 minute walk down the road and you are straight in the Broadmarsh centre on the egde of the city centre. Sheffield City Centre has the fountains but it is merely a gateway to nothing much.

I'm not deliberately slating Sheffield, i really enjoy living in Sheffield, it has a lot going for it, mainly the scenary, cheap housing, and the feel that it is still a genuinely nice place to live, but for the city centre. That is like a bombsite has hit, there is absolutely nothing to ever need to go in to the city centre for, the only time i ever go near it is for the train station, or to go to the match, and that is what needs to change.

And before people start jumping on the backs of the traditionally socialist council, it was the same left leaning council that delivered us a world class tram network and a flagship out of town shopping complex well before anyone else had one.
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Didn't Liverpool get massive financial assistance from Heseltine when he was some sort of Minister,years ago?
And isn't Nottingham City Centre divided into a grid pattern, making redevelopment much easier?
 
dublin 10 blade said:
To a city in now call home .along with an Irish accent now :(.
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Of course you will always miss your roots dublin 10...........could be worse though, Dublin is a great city! I've spent a lot of time working there over the last few years and a group of us went over there for my 50th recently - wanted to enjoy the place rather than just work there :)
 
I think it is fair to say the looney left wing Labour councils from the early 80's have done more damage to Sheffield than Adolf Hitler ever did. As far as decision makers go they even make McCabe and his choice of managers look good, never has a body of politicians got it so wrong on a consistent basis than the shower of shit voted onto Sheffield City Council in the 1980's with their lets take on Thatcher agenda rather than getting investment into jobs to replace those lost when the steel industry vanished, are we still paying for the crap built for the world student games? Everything they attempted ended in failure and if it didn't it was sold off cheaply, all we are left with is a city centre that in the main is a wasteland apart from a few small oasis' like around the station or Tudor sq and the Peace gardens. Strange how they can be be years down the line on a new shopping centre without a single brick being laid yet a bloke can come over from China and in a few months is well on with his development of a Chinatown.
 



snootyfenooty said:
The argument against that is that Sheffield Council were content to let the city rot and hold this up as a beacon against Thatcherism whilst at the same time were sinking what little money they had into maintaining dirt cheap bus fares. Both were purely politically motivated.
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I think that one was very much a two-way street - central government funding tended (and still does) go to Manchester & Leeds as a result of the clashes with central government. St Pancras over the years is a perfect example - almost obliterated and neglected as it 'only' went to Sheffield. But when its redeveloped for Eurotunnel, the Sheffield line gets punted off into a bus stop. All talk of the 'Northern Powerhouse' was centred on Leeds & Manchester, although i think we all know that was just hot air and shite. Then there's HS2 bypassing Sheffield. As if the 'spur' will ever get built (hopefully the whole lot will be shelved in favour of improving the east-west infrastructure). There was a full on european loading gauge mainline from London through Sheffield to Manchester, electrified between the two cities as well. Even Dr Beeching thought that was a line worth keeping.

I've hardly been back to Sheffield since I left in '91. But when I do go back, I realise how much I took for granted whilst growing up. No other city I've visited is such a sea of green on the approaches, with the exception maybe of Sydney. But also no other city has strangled itself quite so much. The city centre always seemed to be 3 separate areas when I was growing up - it was rare to go to the moor, fargate & hole in the road in one trip - usually just one. And the walk from the bus station to Bramall Lane really shows the city at its worst. What a dump it must appear to away fans.

The City council do seem uniquely insular and short sighted. Didn't they spend more on knocking down Don Valley & upgrading Woodburn Rd than it cost to run Don Valley for years? Sheaf Valley was an excellent example - some bright spark built it to imperial size, so it could never be used to host proper stuff. Then got knocked down before the debt had been paid off.

They really should be making more of the City at the heart of the Industrial Revolution, the greenest city in Europe and the only one in the UK with national park within its boundaries. Some of the countryside within the city boundary is up there with the Lake District for beauty. Sheffield's gegraphy probably doesn't help either, being an odd sort of spoked linear layout. We suffer a similar thing on a much smaller scale in Kendal - there's no space to reasonably build necessary infrastructure. And then you get the 50s theme park brigade (Friends Of the Lake District & Kendal Civic Society) here. Can't touch anything, ever. There's 5 road bridges in Kendal, 3 of them 1 way because they're 'ancient' bridges that can't possibly be widened. Except all 3 of them have been widened & rebuilt at least 5 times in the last 200 years. One of them was used for experiments with 'cement fondue' that developed into tarmac.

As for the comparisons with Leeds & Manchester - those places are the tackiest, most superficial hunks of shite imaginable. I suspect the free trade hall will still be standing many years after the new stuff has been pulled down. But it looks pretty for the first 3-5 years. Once the maintenance budget starts going up, those concrete & glass boxes will very quickly look like shit. Bloody hell - I'm sounding like Prince Charles ;-)

After growing up in Sheffield, I was at Bradford Uni for 5 years. Another once great & Beautiful city that was neglected after the collapse of its main industry. Now I see a fair bit of Whitehaven & Barrow. Again, places that have lost the main industries and are VERY neglected. There's some fantastic buildings in those places, but they're falling apart through lack of interest. One thing that strikes me is that its as though the whole community lost confidence. What the answer is I don't know. 'Bradford is Bouncing Back' of course (and has been since the 70s!)
I lived in Hartlepool for a year. That place is just fundamentally shit. I think its only purpose is to make Middlesbrough look good.

Anyone else like to join me on my ramble...:tumbleweed:
 
Minty said:
Of course you will always miss your roots dublin 10...........could be worse though, Dublin is a great city! I've spent a lot of time working there over the last few years and a group of us went over there for my 50th recently - wanted to enjoy the place rather than just work there :)
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I now call Dublin home and your quite right it is a fantastic city with a shed load to see and do .
Expensive maybe but while it is my home ,
Sheffield has my heart , and I just want it to be the best it can .
 
frank drebin said:
Liverpool had huge funding from the EU
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According to a scouser I used to work with a lot of the 1980's funding went on a garden festival and redeveloping the dock area in that place where that old perv used to jump around on a map doing the weather.

Not much went in the estates where it was badly needed.
 
Harry's Game said:
According to a scouser I used to work with a lot of the 1980's funding went on a garden festival and redeveloping the dock area in that place where that old perv used to jump around on a map doing the weather.

Not much went in the estates where it was badly needed.
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there's plenty of regeneration both in the city centre and in urban areas

You wouldn't believe the amount of tourists that come here
I think if you take care of the main attractions and the central areas the rest benefits
 
Sheffield will always be one of the UK's great cities regardless of what it looks like. We (and I say "we" even though I am not a native) have a great industrial history, football was invented here and we have the Peak District just down the road as well as the city's numerous and lovely hills and parks. The view of the city centre from Meersbrook Park is fantastic.

The Sheffield accent is unique and is the sexiest in the world with the possible exception of parts of Ireland. In Leeds and Manchester the way people speak is horrible, in Derby & Nottingham it's even worse and in the South East it's diabolical. Geordies might as well be speaking a foreign language and Glaswegians are always funny whether they mean to be or not.

The down side is people sleeping in the street in the cold but sadly that's a symptom of a country that doesn't care enough. And then there's the Pigs, of course, but Hillsborough isn't really in Sheffield, is it?
 
Earlier I went to Meadowhall. A 15 minute drive, absolutely no problem with parking and it was free. I was in there about an hour, got everything I wanted, stayed warm and dry, didn't have to walk ages from shop to shop, didn't get harassed by beggars and charity fundraisers, went home.

If I had gone in to town then it would have taken me roughly the same amount of time, I'd have spent ages finding a parking space and paid through the nose for it. I'd have spent ages walking from one side of town to the other side of town, I'd have got cold and wet, and been harassed by the beggars and charity fundraisers.

And that is a part of the problem with Sheffield......
 
Sheffield's the home of football, where football was born, home of the original "United" yet the national football museum gets built in Manchester. I think we missed a trick there.
 
Dkc said:
Sheffield's the home of football, where football was born, home of the original "United" yet the national football museum gets built in Manchester. I think we missed a trick there.
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We've certainly got a track record of building museums no one visits.
 
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Earlier I went to Meadowhall. A 15 minute drive, absolutely no problem with parking and it was free. I was in there about an hour, got everything I wanted, stayed warm and dry, didn't have to walk ages from shop to shop, didn't get harassed by beggars and charity fundraisers, went home.

If I had gone in to town then it would have taken me roughly the same amount of time, I'd have spent ages finding a parking space and paid through the nose for it. I'd have spent ages walking from one side of town to the other side of town, I'd have got cold and wet, and been harassed by the beggars and charity fundraisers.

And that is a part of the problem with Sheffield......
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And there you have it £9.20 (last time I used one) for two hours in one of the mainly empty multi storey car parks and they still wonder why no one shops in Sheffield centre where the inhabitants are mainly the homeless, beggars, druggies or charity fundraisers. Walk up Fargate and you will be lucky if you get to the other end without being harassed 3 times by someone with a clip board or collection bucket.
 
Harry's Game said:
According to a scouser I used to work with a lot of the 1980's funding went on a garden festival and redeveloping the dock area in that place where that old perv used to jump around on a map doing the weather.

Not much went in the estates where it was badly needed.
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Didn't a certain Council leader with a mullet and tache do rather well out of regeneration ...
 



Deleted Member said:
Earlier I went to Meadowhall. A 15 minute drive, absolutely no problem with parking and it was free. I was in there about an hour, got everything I wanted, stayed warm and dry, didn't have to walk ages from shop to shop, didn't get harassed by beggars and charity fundraisers, went home.

If I had gone in to town then it would have taken me roughly the same amount of time, I'd have spent ages finding a parking space and paid through the nose for it. I'd have spent ages walking from one side of town to the other side of town, I'd have got cold and wet, and been harassed by the beggars and charity fundraisers.

And that is a part of the problem with Sheffield......
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metalblade said:
And there you have it £9.20 (last time I used one) for two hours in one of the mainly empty multi storey car parks and they still wonder why no one shops in Sheffield centre where the inhabitants are mainly the homeless, beggars, druggies or charity fundraisers. Walk up Fargate and you will be lucky if you get to the other end without being harassed 3 times by someone with a clip board or collection bucket.
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I either pretend I am on the phone or point at my ears and shake my head like I don't understand English; works a treat.
 
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