CONFIRMED Calvert-Lewin sold to Everton

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Bergen Blade said:
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So every player who scores a header is worth £1.4m?

Anyone else who has done what DCL has done so far just would not be transferring out of their club for anything like £1.4m.

I really don't understand this transfer at all, in a good way. As said above it really is bizarre.
 
Bergen Blade said:
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That first one reminded me of one I saw a kid called James Wilson score this weekend. What's he up to now?

Or were you pointing out the row Z effort at the end? :)

But seriously, other than him being tall ( ish), there's no deep substantive evidence that we've lost significant aerial prowess here, is there?
 
Roygbiv said:
I am not fussed at all about the player himself going but I can't say it's a good deal as we are unlikely to see any of the money be reinvested in the team.

If it's consolation to those who aren't happy with the fee, we wouldn't have seen it effect the playing side of things even if we had sold him for £5m. I think this window has shown that we have no intention on spending "big" on anyone. We seem to be mirroring a club like Crewe who sell their best players to simply keep going. In all honesty it's what we have always done
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I think that's harsh Roy re like Crewe. Whilst ever we are in this cesspit of a league we're vulnerable to selling our younger assets. However in the cae of DCL he's not even a regular off the bench so they're just buying someone who might develop and if not then its peanuts to them. But to us the initial fee might buy one or two players who an go straight into the team. Its a no brainer for us.
 
alcoblade said:
That first one reminded me of one I saw a kid called James Wilson score this weekend. What's he up to now?

Or were you pointing out the row Z effort at the end? :)

But seriously, other than him being tall ( ish), there's no deep substantive evidence that we've lost significant aerial prowess here, is there?
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Apart from him leaping well and having good heading technique? No. ;)






Difficult to say how good he'll be, but that's not the main thing. If developed physically he could have provided us with an aerial threat that only Clarke can match. Maybe we'll cope well without that though, we'll see.
 
Bergen Blade said:
Apart from him leaping well and having good heading technique? No. ;)






Difficult to say how good he'll be, but that's not the main thing. If developed physically he could have provided us with an aerial threat that only Clarke can match. Maybe we'll cope well without that though, we'll see.
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Fair enough, he's scored a few with his head. But seriously, based on what we've seen a division higher, I'd be surprised if we've lost significant aerial presence.

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Is a shame because i thought he would be big for us as wilder liked him & scored plenty at Northampton. But this window always seemed to be a harry redknapp wheeler dealer special & 1.5m for potential was probably too much to turned down as he was behind done & Clarke in pecking order
 
I knew it should have been Coutts modelling the shirt on that massive cardboard cut out outside BL.
 
"But my dear Watson, you seem to be over-looking the one glaring purpose of an Association Football Club", spouted Holmes whilst casually offloading his shotgun at the wall of his bedroom at 221b.

"Sheffield United Cricket and Football Club is in the business of winning the F.A. Cup and the League Championship, unless I am gravely misinformed by my sources in that city at the far end of the Great Central Line - the Football Club is not in the business of running a fucking day-school for young lads - just for the sake of it "

- at which ejaculation, Watson looked at his lifelong companion with an air of patronising resignation - "Dear God Holmes, they haven't won the cup for 2 whole seasons, they might as well just run a fucking school for delinquent kids as try to put out a first eleven week in, week out

- besides I believe Dr McCabe has recently gained mineral extraction rights for a new coal mine, the downcast shaft of which is to be sunk in the centre-circle of the pitch".

at which Holmes fixed his penetrating gaze once more on his bosom friend, " Aye, I spose tha's reyt " as he melted his season ticket on the hot end of his toasting fork - " I'm through with this for a lark, may be there is a new Rugger Club I can support instead. Snuff out the candles and come over here for a cuddle John, its frozen under this Eiderdown old chum".

 
alcoblade said:
He's tall. That's where it ends, isn't it?

Has he scored with his head on loan elsewhere? I'd like to say that was one of his strong points when he played for us, but in this case there's no thought to waste. He hasn't demonstrated any strong points in this time.

In my lifetime of supporting us, DCL's rise to super stardom over the next 48 hours ( I'm not accusing you of this) will be both the most hilarious and bemusing.

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How many times have you actually seen him play?
 

alcoblade said:
Not very many, because several managers have deemed him sub standard for our struggling third division team.
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Oh, so your making wild assertions. Clough and Adkins actually spoke very highly of him and he did very well at Northampton. There's not many strikers in the first team playing every week at his age are there? He'll no doubt be straight out on loan.
 
nopigfansintown said:
Oh, so your making wild assertions. Clough and Adkins actually spoke very highly of him and he did very well at Northampton. There's not many strikers in the first team playing every week at his age are there? He'll no doubt be straight out on loan.
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My "wild assertions" are admittedly extrapolated from the few, but entirely awful performances he's made for us, on top of the reality (not the warm words) that numerous managers haven't fancied him.

I wouldn't bother making them, but feel compelled to after watching countless grown men turn all pussy like at the prospect of losing him for £1,500,000.

My position is based on what we've actually witnessed. Theirs is based on blind faith, and an ongoing wish to hate every move the club makes. It's certainly shouldn't be me having to defend my assertions.
 
Well, I wasn't overly disappointed at Che leaving, and given the rave reviews he's got so far maybe I should be more hesitant about this, but DCL looked way behind Adams in all areas. Granted, I've seen very little of him, but what I've seen is just another kid that wouldn't have much impact.

With the silly money in the Prem, Everton are happy to gamble £1.4m that he turns into something. We're not happy to risk £1.4m that could turn into £0 like Slew's or Diego's current market value, or £5m+ if he comes good. To be honest, the major reason I'm doubting myself here is I feel like Everton must've seen something I'm missing.

Fans here have a habit of massively building up youth players. Sometimes they're right to believe the hype and the player makes a big impact, like Maguire. Others it turns out they were insisting McFadzean, McAllister, Ironside, were the real deal and it's madness not to play them. Wish we'd cashed in on those when we could. They're the reason we take money for DCL now. Nobody's regretting that we pocketed the money for Slew, surely.

Time will tell. On the face of it this looks like good business to me.
 
Speaking of the transfer of Calvert-Lewin, boss Wilder remarked: "This is a really good deal for us and a fantastic opportunity for Dominic. We do not want to stand in the way of a young player joining a well-established Premier League club."

Comments like this don't half wind me up! It's such a pathetic small time mentality!

If we can't keep a 19 year old who hasn't established himself in the first team yet, what hope do we have of keeping any player that shows any quality?

We're like Dr Evil in Austin Powers asking for $1m, it's as if everyone at the lane is stuck 20 years in the past and hasn't heard about the latest Premier League TV deal.
 
I've seen him play through all the senior academy levels and rate him our best prospect since Walker and Naughton. Since turning striker a couple of years ago his performances have been precocious. He needs to learn the position more, but he was bigger, stronger and quicker than top academy defenders while still new to the position and could obviously mix it in L2 at 18. He hasn't shown his best for United, particularly at the lane, where he's looked extremely nervous, but I thought he was excellent at Grimsby and got a fantastic goal in pre season.
For me, selling DCL isn't even the crux of the problems: I long ago accepted that any player can be sold and that it's the recruitment strategy that's important. Sufc are repeating all the same mistakes with reinvesting fees in high waged championship players, instead of picking up well scouted lesser known gems (on permanent deals) and/or premier league youngsters(on loan) - ala Coventry last season . Were effectively burning our best academy prospect, to get a couple of loan signings. Nobody can guarantee we'll have another one to sell next season, when the loanees have gone back. Even if we overcome our bad start and get promoted there's no foundations to build upon. What's the plan?
 
nopigfansintown said:
I've seen him play through all the senior academy levels and rate him our best prospect since Walker and Naughton. Since turning striker a couple of years ago his performances have been precocious. He needs to learn the position more, but he was bigger, stronger and quicker than top academy defenders while still new to the position and could obviously mix it in L2 at 18. He hasn't shown his best for United, particularly at the lane, where he's looked extremely nervous, but I thought he was excellent at Grimsby and got a fantastic goal in pre season.
For me, selling DCL isn't even the crux of the problems: I long ago accepted that any player can be sold and that it's the recruitment strategy that's important. Sufc are repeating all the same mistakes with reinvesting fees in high waged championship players, instead of picking up well scouted lesser known gems (on permanent deals) and/or premier league youngsters(on loan) - ala Coventry last season . Were effectively burning our best academy prospect, to get a couple of loan signings. Nobody can guarantee we'll have another one to sell next season, when the loanees have gone back. Even if we overcome our bad start and get promoted there's no foundations to build upon. What's the plan?
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I'm totally behind the suggestion that it's what we blow it on that has been the more realistic, and biggest problem. There's some (only some) evidence that this lesson has been learned, but also at a time when the budget is being cut. That makes it hard to evaluate.

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nopigfansintown said:
I've seen him play through all the senior academy levels and rate him our best prospect since Walker and Naughton. Since turning striker a couple of years ago his performances have been precocious. He needs to learn the position more, but he was bigger, stronger and quicker than top academy defenders while still new to the position and could obviously mix it in L2 at 18. He hasn't shown his best for United, particularly at the lane, where he's looked extremely nervous, but I thought he was excellent at Grimsby and got a fantastic goal in pre season.
For me, selling DCL isn't even the crux of the problems: I long ago accepted that any player can be sold and that it's the recruitment strategy that's important. Sufc are repeating all the same mistakes with reinvesting fees in high waged championship players, instead of picking up well scouted lesser known gems (on permanent deals) and/or premier league youngsters(on loan) - ala Coventry last season . Were effectively burning our best academy prospect, to get a couple of loan signings. Nobody can guarantee we'll have another one to sell next season, when the loanees have gone back. Even if we overcome our bad start and get promoted there's no foundations to build upon. What's the plan?
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No disrespect to you, because I don't know what you thought of the players I'm going to mention, and you've obviously seen a lot more of DCL than I have, but to give the argument against it: isn't this exactly what people said about Slew, McFadzean, Ironside, McAllister, Diego (mitigated a little by his move to Bristol), Forte, etc? All players that with the benefit of hindsight we'd be gladly pocketing £1.5 million for. They all stood out for the youth teams at one point, they all had people calling for them to be played, blaming managers for not trusting the youth.

As I said above, teams higher up can afford to splash a million on a Slew type and have him turn out to be a guy who couldn't cut it at Ross County. Is it good business for us to turn down that million pounds on the basis that he might be worth more later? Both sides are taking a gamble in the transaction. A hallmark of gamblers is to remember the times they got it right and forget the rest. Walker, for example, is one we all wish we'd held on to until he was worth five times what we got for him. Slew was a great bit of business. People talk about one a lot more than the other though.

With regards to recruiting, I somewhat agree with you. We certainly don't seem to snap up enough hot prospects from the lower division/non-league. But then, for every Che Adams you get quite a few Wallaces. And on the face of it there's nothing wrong with bringing in players who have been on the fringe of teams at a higher level as we've done with Lavery and Ebanks-Ladell. The problem is we seem to focus on certain recruitment areas too much at times and miss out on the likes of Gregory who'd been staring us in the face for a while. It's still somewhat an open question as to how much we've had a bad recruitment strategy and how much we've made bad recruitments. Nothing wrong with loaning midfielders from Prem clubs. A lot wrong with picking out Hammond.
 
Can anyone really argue that Calvert-Lewin ought'nd have been sold for £1.5m? None of us have seen him play many minutes in the first team but doesn't that tell you something already? Wilder doesn't rate him and rightly so because the highlights of DCL's performances was replicating Bambi on ice and the embarrassing miss against Crewe. Poor player. Don't have time for the "he has potential" argument either. Che Adams had potential. He actually showed what he's capable of when given minutes on the pitch. What the fuck has Calvert-Lewin done to appear as a great prospect? On par with Ironside to me. Not against this at all. HOWEVER... Failure to invest back into the team which was desperately needed is once again going to trigger the domino effect that is our missed opportunity of promotion. Unless Wilder can get the best out of Basham and the defence and Sharp for the foreseeable future, I'm doubting we'll even trouble the top 2. McCabe is the one ever present factor in our demise and it shan't end until the man's gone.
 
Looks pretty happy. Hadn't realised David Unsworth will now oversee the next stage of his development...

“He’ll be a great acquisition to our very talented Under-23 group and I think he has the opportunity here now to kick on and play at the very highest level,” Unsworth said.

“He’s joining a massive Club and this is an opportunity of a lifetime for him.

“To go from League One to the Premier League is a massive jump but he certainly has all of the attributes to make that jump, given time, hard work and the desire I know he has.”


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At least the 1 million will keep the academy ticking over for another year.
 
Breaking news coming out of Everton this morning, due to the deal being finalised on Calvert lewin, the toffees have unexpectedly aquired a "pathway to youth", unsworth was quoted as saying it had only one pevious owner was hardly used, apparently the previous owners have no use for it as a brand new "road to nowhere" has just appeared outside thier academy so as a goodwill gesture they've thrown it in....

Just joshing, a good fee for a proper 50/50 chance of doing anything serious in the game, also not what we need for the here and now...
 
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...everton-newboy-dominic-calvert-lewin-11824915

Didn't realise that DCL was from, wait for it...Hillsborough?! I always thought he was a Blade but maybe not? Not that, that makes him a Wednesday fan but it just got me thinking that maybe if he was a Pig fan as a kid then it would contribute to him leaving now as opposed to not making an impact at United. I certainly wouldn't want to leave United as a fan, and play no games really, unless I was never going to play for the club, but DCL was definitely heading for a career here, until he did what Jordan Slew did, who of course we're led to believe is a Blade. Oh for more Dane Whitehouse's!
 

wizadry said:
Signed a dominant and creative central midfielder, the daft twats.
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Dominant = 1
Creative = 1
Toatl = 2

or

Dominant & Creative = 1

I've got this feeling, maybe our creativity will be ...

from the flanks
the very long ball
we will be relying on opposition mistakes (due to the midfield)
something i'm not intelligent enough to list.
 
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