Where's it gone wrong

[Blade56]

blame who we like

but
we have to move forward from where we are, and with what weve got

yes mccabes at , yes the board are too
now weve agreed that are we any better off than a minute ago
we knuckle down and cope with the situation

Again?

 

[BushBlade]

Wow, so many major mistakes to choose from, not sure which one to pick. you could all be right.

I'll go for privatisation of the railways

Shouldn't have gone to war against Germany. Fuck Poland.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Simple answer is Brian Robson. Worst manger we have ever had imo - including weir.

Gave him resources and he fucked us. Any manager we've had since would have got us up with Same resources. A Dinosaur , trading off a good career but no one in his right mind would have given him a job - apart from us. No surprise he's not worked here since.

Longer answer is if you sell players like

Adam,
Lowton,
Harry
Murphy
McDonald
Quinn
Blackman,
Walker,
Naughton,
Paddy (when he was still the best keeper in the division)
Beattie (mid season)
Jagielka

And replace them with a stream of inferior players. You are never going to succeed and will get successively worse.

Is anyone really surprised hat We've finished lower every season pretty much since the prem

 

[Sean Thornton]

Simple answer is Brian Robson. Worst manger we have ever had imo - including weir.

Gave him resources and he fucked us. Any manager we've had since would have got us up with Same resources. A Dinosaur , trading off a good career but no one in his right mind would have given him a job - apart from us. No surprise he's not worked here since.

Longer answer is if you sell players like

Adam,
Lowton,
Harry
Murphy
McDonald
Quinn
Blackman,
Walker,
Naughton,
Paddy (when he was still the best keeper in the division)
Beattie (mid season)
Jagielka

And replace them with a stream of inferior players. You are never going to succeed and will get successively worse.

Is anyone really surprised hat We've finished lower every season pretty much since the prem

Paddy shouldn't be on that list, he couldn't get away quick enough when he got another chance to nosh Colin.

 

[Blade56]

Is anyone really surprised hat We've finished lower every season pretty much since the prem

Mccabe?

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Paddy shouldn't be on that list, he couldn't get away quick enough when he got another chance to nosh Colin.

Won qpr's player of the season ahead of taarabt the season they went up

Don't know the ins and outs of it, but I sure in warnocks book it states the club had failed to keep some promises too him - while he was out... Which was why he was pissed off, so might be 2 sides to story.

Not arguing he didn't cost us for the ban tho

 

[Sean Thornton]

Won qpr's player of the season ahead of taarabt the season they went up

Don't know the ins and outs of it, but I sure in warnocks book it states the club had failed to keep some promises too him - while he was out... Which was why he was pissed off, so might be 2 sides to story.

Not arguing he didn't cost us for the ban tho

I thought we paid him in full when he was out and McCabe insisted he paid us back as a condition of him going.

 

[Gimli]

Many saying Blackwell was sacked at a stupid time and I'd agree with that, but I actually think Gary Speed did a great job to regroup the squad and his departure to Wales was a bigger loss to the club than Blackwell being binned off early.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I thought we paid him in full when he was out and McCabe insisted he paid us back as a condition of him going.

Can't remember the ins and outs of it.

Think it was something to do with being promised repayment for something or other / a new contract.

Suppose both sides could have handled it better and he might have stayed. Who knows

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Many saying Blackwell was sacked at a stupid time and I'd agree with that, but I actually think Gary Speed did a great job to regroup the squad and his departure to Wales was a bigger loss to the club than Blackwell being binned off early.

Yeah - bit like the job he did win Wales

Speed started slowly but we were just coming into a run of form when he went and starting to work well as a team.

I feel like the slow start meant we didn't fight to keep him as maybe the board felt like he was only doing an 'ok' job and could have been improved upon. He didn't seem like someone who would have left us in a poor situation if we'd have fought for him - was only his first role and would have presumably had other shots at Wales Job of it had gone well.

 

[Gimli]

Totally agree - He didn't win every game in every competition so McCabe jumped at the chance to get some compensation

 

[I should coco]

but I actually think Gary Speed did a great job to regroup the squad

It took a minute or too for me to clear the tea off my screen.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2010/dec/14/gary-speed-sheffield-united

Manager
Matches
Won
Drawn
Lost
Win percentage
Points per game
Gary Speed 18 6 3 9 33.3 1.16
Kevin Blackwell 124 53 36 35 42.7 1.57
Bryan Robson 38 14 12 12 36.8 1.42
Neil Warnock 388 165 100 123 42.5 1.53
Adrian Heath 22 7 5 10 31.8 1.18

At 1.16 points per game that's worse than Heath.

I'll let than sink in; WORSE THAN HEATH!

 

[Gimli]

We weren't getting relegated with speed - look what happened when he left, absolute meltdown

 

[georgebernardshaw]

The biggest single factor in the decline of Sheffield United is Kevin McCabe

 

[blade too long]

Again?

yep till we get it right ,
again one moment of individual madness cost us saturday
ut them out we are halfway there

 

[blade too long]

We weren't getting relegated with speed - look what happened when he left, absolute meltdown

but why
you cant change systems every 8 10 weeks
we melted down after losing Morgan about that time
so we lost our leader off and on the pitch
the glue that held us together was gone

 

[BushBlade]

http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/what-is-wrong-with-our-club.48381/

Whatever I said on this thread.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Controversial I know, but where things started to unravel was the sacking of Kevin Blackwell after just two games of the 2010/11 season. What a ridiculous decision that was (coming from someone who is relatively sympathetic to McCabe)

FM. Blackwell is one, others I could mention are Warnock, Wilson & Clough. I was glad to see the back of all of them when they went, but now in hindsight, I think I was wrong. Warnock was star struck in the premiership but the signings were dubious once we reached the promised land. He should never have been sacked though, it was hardly like we had been relegated by Xmas. Blackwell had us playing some pretty dull stuff but made us hard to beat, pretty much like Nigel C to be honest, who seemed to take leave of his senses when it came to the centre half position. Under Danny we were also playing some pretty uninspiring football latterly, but he had provided us with one of our best seasons in the season before until Ched fucked us up.

 

[cahill]

Well you start by selling your strongest assets, spend a fuckload on inferior ones, appoint a succession of managers who either don't know the club or in some cases the job, sell more players, continue to replace them with poor imitations, recieve money from selling your last decent player but by this time your manager has signed 3000 more shit ones, that money gets spunked on their wages and he gets sacked, appoint another manager who further cripples the clubs finances by signing even more abysmal players, slide further down the table with a gigantic squad list, new manager comes in and has to spend money just to get said players to fuck off and is left signing donkeys who wouldn't even cut it as programme sellers 10 years ago.

Et voila, you have yourself a nice big Sheffield United clusterfuck supreme.

What is this "spunked" and "giant squid list" ? I am Pepe Lepew and just leargin your language

Le Cahill

 

[Rodley]

RECAP
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We need more recap threads like this!

 

[cahill]

I think other teams are to blame for always beating us.

 

[Bladey McBladeface]

I would say Ched Evans is a significant factor.

Paid big money for him and he severely underperformed for 2 years.
Then just as his contract is about to expire what a surprise he shows effort/ desire and plays like a world beater.

Meaning we have a fantastic chance of promotion back to the Championship but then we all know what happened in Rhyl meaning we missed our best player for the end of the season.

I'm not so sure that Evans deliberately underperformed for 2 years as you imply. He was just playing in a more difficult league and under some poor management. In and out of the side.

It clicked in League One because he was our main man and the opposition wasn't as good.

 

[Sean Thornton]

FM. Blackwell is one, others I could mention are Warnock, Wilson & Clough. I was glad to see the back of all of them when they went, but now in hindsight, I think I was wrong. Warnock was star struck in the premiership but the signings were dubious once we reached the promised land. He should never have been sacked though, it was hardly like we had been relegated by Xmas. Blackwell had us playing some pretty dull stuff but made us hard to beat, pretty much like Nigel C to be honest, who seemed to take leave of his senses when it came to the centre half position. Under Danny we were also playing some pretty uninspiring football latterly, but he had provided us with one of our best seasons in the season before until Ched fucked us up.

Warnock wasn't sacked.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

He also had many of his best players and top earners sold during his tenure.

For what it's worth, I agree with this. I don't think our demise was due to him, still don't think he was the messiah though.

 

[Bladesway]

Lots of mistakes mentioned all by the same bloke. My thoughts are this could have been turned around at several points. Some more controversial than others.

Letting Warnock run a team in the Premier League.

Making the decision to replave Warnock without really having any plan of what to do next

Appointing Robson and giving him all the money

Pulling the rug from under Blackwell mid season. Hence we ended in the play off rather than automatic.

Not sacking Blackwell when he failed in the play off final and was clearly out of ideas

Sacking Blackwell 3 games into a season just because we lost to a Warnock team in front of investors

Appointing Adams.

Selling Blackman when we were top of the League

Sacking Wilson at a critical point in the season and putting Morgan in charge

Selling Harry after saying we weren't going to

Sacking Clough

Selling Murphy and not replacing him

Selling Adams (although waiting to see if we replace).

I know people will not agree to every point but at each one of these moments we could have made a different decision that I think would have in all cases improved our lot. We don't appear to think before we act, we sack managers for fun and sell every single player that has a hint of value over their head. You can argue we have to but the fact we are still in the third division tells me we keep getting it wrong.

Crystal ball gazing I think the next bad move will be sacking Wilder.

 

[Bladesway]

We didn't just lose to QPR though.
We were totally outclassed by one of the most dominant away team displays in years, was it 3-0?
Although I think QPR ended getting promotion that season which shows how good they were.

We had just got a draw away in Cardiff and didn't look a bad side at the time. 2 games later we sacked the bloke. Short sighted.

 

[md87]

It's gone wrong from years of bad recruitment and changing managers too often. In a nutshell.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Warnock wasn't sacked.

Quite right, thanks Sean, my mistake.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I don't know, but this is how it feels to follow the Blades...

 

[Sheffsteel]

In my eyes it's pretty simple, the succession of managers over such a short period of time has lead to a mish-mash of a squad left over from each of the previous managers durations. Managers need time to get things to work, it talk warnock seven years.

Seems a fair point of view but it's incredibly old fashioned and with that attitude wouldn't last 2 minutes in football. It's all about expectation and how to manage it?

Maybe your pre season speech would be "if we finish mid table we've done oreight and what we have to realise is that Chris has a long term job and will be given time", personally I'm not that far away regards Chris as I like his style.

Today's fan would be in uproar about your clear lack of ambition.
The fans demand we show ambition and spend money on top rated managers with cv's of success.
They also demand that we buy players so we have the best chance of promotion.
Most fans think if we finish outside the playoffs we've had a bad season and under achieved.

A leader has to lead and make difficult decision.
Virtually every chairman in the league sacks their managers when they severely under achieve.
Nice sentiments but accepting mediocrity and just saying "let's continue with the same manager" meaning he's unaccountable smacks of burrowing your head in the sand.