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In my eyes it's pretty simple, the succession of managers over such a short period of time has lead to a mish-mash of a squad left over from each of the previous managers durations. Managers need time to get things to work, it talk warnock seven years.
 



Well you start by selling your strongest assets, spend a fuckload on inferior ones, appoint a succession of managers who either don't know the club or in some cases the job, sell more players, continue to replace them with poor imitations, recieve money from selling your last decent player but by this time your manager has signed 3000 more shit ones, that money gets spunked on their wages and he gets sacked, appoint another manager who further cripples the clubs finances by signing even more abysmal players, slide further down the table with a gigantic squad list, new manager comes in and has to spend money just to get said players to fuck off and is left signing donkeys who wouldn't even cut it as programme sellers 10 years ago.

Et voila, you have yourself a nice big Sheffield United clusterfuck supreme.
 
It's gone wrong there,
There,
There,
There,
He touched me there (ops wrong thread, that's the Popes a blade thread)
And there
 
FMBlade1 said:
Controversial I know, but where things started to unravel was the sacking of Kevin Blackwell after just two games of the 2010/11 season. What a ridiculous decision that was (coming from someone who is relatively sympathetic to McCabe)
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I said the same thing myself last week. Sacking Blackwell at that point directly led to where we are now.
 
I don't think its a coincidence that we have won nothing since Her Majesty the Queen was born. It is well know that the Queen Mother was partial to claret and we had beaten Burnley 6-2 the previous Monday, leaving Elizabeth sick with worry that they might get relegated.

She was so upset at United ruining what should have been the happiest week of her life that she got a gypsy to put a curse on us.
 
FMBlade1 said:
Controversial I know, but where things started to unravel was the sacking of Kevin Blackwell after just two games of the 2010/11 season. What a ridiculous decision that was (coming from someone who is relatively sympathetic to McCabe)
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Blackwell may not have been our best ever manager but that particular decision probably tells you all you need to know about McCabe. As does his decision to sack Wilson, which he admitted to regretting afterwards.
It's almost as if he attempts to pre empt what the fans want. Oh we've lost at home to QPR 3-0 about time we got rid of Blackwell. Oh we've lost 2-0 at home to Crawley (even though we still have a chance of promotion) so let's give Morgan a chance to manage us through thid critical end of season period.
He may have made millions in his chosen field of business but he's a complete feckin amateur when it comes to running a football club.
 
FMBlade1 said:
Controversial I know, but where things started to unravel was the sacking of Kevin Blackwell after just two games of the 2010/11 season. What a ridiculous decision that was (coming from someone who is relatively sympathetic to McCabe)
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You could legitimately say Blackwell's inability (or refusal) to develop players or be anything more than a fire-fighter was the start of our problems. The first budget cuts happened under his reign and should have led to us investing in promise rather than experience, and looking two seasons down the line, not two matches. We never grasped that nettle and eventually it all imploded.

We might have stayed up for one more season if Blackwell had remained, but we shouldn't ever be reliant on one man in the club in order to be a healthy organisation. And under Blackwell the direction of travel was already south, and with no apparent plan to arrest it.

I blame McCabe, Birch and Blackwell for relegation. If you cut budgets you have to plan longer term. We didn't and we burned. As we continue to burn today....
 
FMBlade1 said:
Controversial I know, but where things started to unravel was the sacking of Kevin Blackwell after just two games of the 2010/11 season. What a ridiculous decision that was (coming from someone who is relatively sympathetic to McCabe)
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One of the big mistakes IMO. Complete overreaction. We drew away at Cardiff (promoted) and lost at home to QPR (champions).
 
sitwell said:
Not accepting Kevin Blackwells resignation after the loss to Burnley in the play-off final
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100% agreed, it would probably have worked out best for all concerned.

The timing of sacking Blackwell was awful, give him a full pre season and sack him after the second match. Having said that if you read Keith Gillespies book Speed was the authoritative figure in the dressing room even when Blackwell was manager.
 
All started when Wilson was packed off I believe, we should've let him atleast finish that season and if we had kept him at the helm, we might just be a league higher now.
 
Good to see some memories getting softer over time.

Blackwell- without doubt the biggest fuckwit ever to spend time at the football club. If you ever manage to speak to players from that time at the club, I doubt you will find one that will have a good word to say about him. Completely destroyed the team, and had a style of play that was the worst I have known. Just aimless balls forward. Should have been replaced after the 6 months he got when Robson fucked it up with a manager who could transform style of play.
Wilson was not without faults. But along with Clough should have been left alone to do their job as they would have got it right and I am convinced got us up by now.


Wilder- has brought in players who on paper are what everyone has been wanting. Players who have done it in L1. Players who are on reasonable wages, not astronomical. He's got rid of the players who have failed here, and plans to get rid of a few more. He's doing the job the owner has told him to.
Is that NOT what everyone wanted?
I don't remember many posts leading up to the Bolton game predicting that these players would be terrible, or many posts pointing out that Wilder is clueless?

So in answer to the OP....too many managers, and sacking ones who had it in them to do the job before they should have. If we continue that way we will go further and further down the league. We have to stick with Wilder, he hasn't become a crap manager overnight, and he's shown he can do a good job.
We have to trust him, back him and his players and support them on the field.
 
All of the above....

In any vocation you need a period of stability in order to build success. Constantly changing managers is the exact opposite of what we need.

We aren't Real Madrid where, given their resources, it's reasonable to expect instant results from the new guy.

For a manager to be successful he needs time to build a club in his vision. Unfortunately whoever that is not all will agree so it's down to 'King Kev' to stick by him. Unfortunately his track record of doing this is not great.
 



Sacking Blackwell was a mistake - thought it at the time. He may not be popular but he led us to a play-off final in the Chanpionship.

The only manager I would have sacked since our return to League One would have been David Weir. For the life of me I cannot understand the sacking of Wilson. Did a good job, turned the fans around and was a really honest bloke.

I'm sticking with Wilder, even if we make no progress this year... But McCabe gets trigger happy when it looks like season ticket sales will go down, so who knows? Wilder isn't the problem, you don't win promotion to League One with nearly 100 points (and a bankrupt team) and then become a bad manager.
 
It was Nijmegen.
It was the single road getting to Nijmegen.
No, it was after Nijmegen.
And the fog in England.
 
FMBlade1 said:
Controversial I know, but where things started to unravel was the
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... appointment of Blackwell. Can you name a better Championship squad that the one that started the 2007/2008 season? Ifs and buts, but I have little doubt Warnock would have taken that squad up as champions, unfortunately we got his sidekick.
 
I would say Ched Evans is a significant factor.

Paid big money for him and he severely underperformed for 2 years.
Then just as his contract is about to expire what a surprise he shows effort/ desire and plays like a world beater.

Meaning we have a fantastic chance of promotion back to the Championship but then we all know what happened in Rhyl meaning we missed our best player for the end of the season.
 
s10blade said:
One of the big mistakes IMO. Complete overreaction. We drew away at Cardiff (promoted) and lost at home to QPR (champions).
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We didn't just lose to QPR though.
We were totally outclassed by one of the most dominant away team displays in years, was it 3-0?
Although I think QPR ended getting promotion that season which shows how good they were.
 
Flawed said:
... appointment of Blackwell. Can you name a better Championship squad that the one that started the 2007/2008 season? Ifs and buts, but I have little doubt Warnock would have taken that squad up as champions, unfortunately we got his sidekick.
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So are you trying to say when a manager wins most of his matches with us during his trial period
We should say "no you're not having the job because we think all them wins were just luck".

Blackwell came in ans saved the club taking us from relegation to 1 win away from the playoffs.
He also had many of his best players and top earners sold during his tenure.
 
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Sheffsteel said:
We didn't just lose to QPR though.
We were totally outclassed by one of the most dominant away team displays in years, was it 3-0?
Although I think QPR ended getting promotion that season which shows how good they were.
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We were given a football lesson that day by Warnock , which is a thing that riled McCabe . Blackwell is and always has been a poor mans Warnock , which McCabe should have addressed after the play off final against Burnley , when Blackwell tendered his resignation.

2016 and we still don't have a settled manager or squad of players .

UTB
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
2016 and we still don't have a settled manager or squad of players .

UTB
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In some ways it's the fans......before anyone says ahhh people are blaming the fans again....let me explain.

I agree with LBoE that the MAIN factor seems to be sacking our managers too early.
However McCabe has said many times we are ambitious, the manager will be given a very competitive budget and promotion is expected. Hence why we are favourites every year.

Well if that manager finishes mid table then would you keep that manager?
It's much cheaper to keep the manager until the end of his contract but McCabe is forced to listen to fans when he attends matches, looks at season ticket sales, monitor radio phone ins, forums etc.

If our fans sang Adkins name in support of Adkins during those end of season matches and keep saying on forums and radio stations that he's the right man and both Hammond and Woolford will come good and everyone is excited for the new season with Adkins at the helm I reckon he'd still be in a job.

But after a few defeats and struggles near the bottom our fans our fans threaten to stop going etc.
After the Scunthorpe defeat all our fans were flat and dreading another season under Adkins.

Every season McCabes job is to give us hope and a realistic chance of promotion by appointing the best managers with the best cv's and track records.

Put it this way......if McCabe had kept Adkins and all the other managers in post.
Our fans would have accused him of penny pinching and accepting under performance.
The fans would have showed their frustration by not attending matches.
Once the club accepts mediocrity and stops trying then I'll lose my interest
But whilst it's continuously bringing in top rated managers and top rated players I'll definitely keep showing my support.
 
Sheffsteel said:
So are you trying to say when a manager wins most of his matches with us during his trial period
We should say "no you're not having the job because we think all them wins were just luck".

Blackwell came in ans saved the club taking us from relegation to 1 win away from the playoffs.
He also had many of his best players and top earners sold during his tenure.
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He shouldn't have been given a trial period, he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place after he got the sack from Leeds. He's a coach, not a manager. In his first part-season all he had to do was coach.

The next bit, cutting our wage bill whilst building a side for promotion, was a job for an experienced manager with a record of success. If Blackwell hadn't been previously employed by the club he wouldn't have been on anyone's radar. KM dug himself a big hole by giving Blackwell the 'trial period', when he should have been aiming much higher and brought in a proper manager to assess the side in the first part-season and then make a plan for getting us back up.

We were relatively wealthy at that point and Blackwell wasted millions on shit signings. He wasn't a proper manager when we employed him and he isn't one now.
 
anyways. i think we'll have to stick with the manager for a change. it is about the only option we 'haven't' tried
 
BushBlade said:
He shouldn't have been given a trial period, he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place after he got the sack from Leeds. He's a coach, not a manager. In his first part-season all he had to do was coach.

The next bit, cutting our wage bill whilst building a side for promotion, was a job for an experienced manager with a record of success. If Blackwell hadn't been previously employed by the club he wouldn't have been on anyone's radar. KM dug himself a big hole by giving Blackwell the 'trial period', when he should have been aiming much higher and brought in a proper manager to assess the side in the first part-season and then make a plan for getting us back up.

We were relatively wealthy at that point and Blackwell wasted millions on shit signings. He wasn't a proper manager when we employed him and he isn't one now.
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Agree Bush . In simple terms and more recent times . If Blackwell was that good ( which he isn't ) , Tony Stewart would have employed him , when Warnock turned down the Rotherham job . Continuity from last seasons great relegation escape . Blackwell the man to carry the banner .

Rotherham were savvy enough not to fall for a 3 card trick , we did .
 
Wow, so many major mistakes to choose from, not sure which one to pick. you could all be right.

I'll go for privatisation of the railways
 
blame who we like

but
we have to move forward from where we are, and with what weve got

yes mccabes at , yes the board are too
now weve agreed that are we any better off than a minute ago
we knuckle down and cope with the situation
 



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