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Incredible levels of despair & depths of soul searching from some. After just two games!

Two games with half a new first team squad (with the newcomers clearly being better individual players than the players they replaced, in some cases very much better). And despite today's rumours from the ITK King that we're on the verge of signing Morsy, Grant and Lavery. And despite Wilder telling us yesterday he wants even more in, & that he wants vigorous competition for every position, that no-one's assured of a first team spot.

Yeah, yesterday was disappointing (to say the least). But FFS, Rome wasn't built in a day. And there's hell of a lot of building going on, clearly.
 
Alf, I don't think for one minute it's despair, to be fair most of the comments are just stating how the club is or has been run. I'm more than happy with CW and how he is conducting things, just wish he wasn't being faced with the restrictions in terms of squad rebuilding. I have faith that he will get things right on the pitch, just wish I was as confident with the running of the club higher up. We have no need to panic this early in the season and I'm sure that once things fall into place the season will take off, so no criticism from me on that side of things. Let's hope a few new faces find their way to BDTBL and help take things to another level.
 
I think it's indisputable that McCabe must shoulder a lot of the blame for poor decision-making and managerial appointments etc. Put simply the days of a chairman being 't'local lad who's made good' is over. The sea-change in the game has been serious investment by (largely) foreign businessmen. When you have only got a few bob going spare, it's inevitable that you'll shop at Poundland. But it's not enough to just say 'McCabe must go.' He must want to go. He must realise that - despite injecting/wasting vast sums of money into the club, he is now holding us back.

Obviously these potential mega-rich foreign owners don't grow on trees (and some of the English owners have a distinctively dodgy past), but foreign ownership is very much the norm now, with the number decreasing as you go down the leagues. It could be argued that, the lower down you go, the less attractive you are for investment. It could also be argued that the reason there is only one foreign-owned club in Division Two is the reason why the club is in Division 2.

Wendy set on Howard Wilkinson to source new investment and Mandy knew where to go. Unless we are prepared to get left further behind by clubs like Cardiff, Hull, Forest etc. I think serious investment is needed. Up to you, Kevin.
 
Sean Thornton said:
I know some would have Warnock beatified but where has this fallacy that he "ran the club" come from? It's utter bollocks.
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not suggesting he 'ran' the club.. but he was cheerleader as well as manager in the dearth of any other 'message' from the board. i don't even know who is on the board.. mccabe, prince plus cronies??
 
JJBlade said:
Far to convenient fatty
Underselling and buying badly is all part and parcel of this club, it's gone on for generations.
The board always use the same platitudes when they sell a player, he wanted to leave, he asked for a transfer, it's no use keeping an unhappy player.
If our fans want to believe that a player will become disruptive just because he doesn't get a transfer then there's no hope for us.

Harry Maguire has barely played a game of football since he left
Now would he have thrown a strop and not played to the best of his ability if we'd made him see out the one year left on his contract ?.........I think not.
He'd have been playing for the best contract he could get the following season, who knows it might have been with us if we'd gone up.

And, we would have been entitled to compensation if he'd gone elsewhere, compensation that would have been decided by somebody else with a decent perspective on transfer fees in the 21st Century rather than the bunch of pricks that decide our transfer policy.
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Soccer base says Harry has played 76 times since he left us.
 
super_pig said:
not suggesting he 'ran' the club.. but he was cheerleader as well as manager in the dearth of any other 'message' from the board. i don't even know who is on the board.. mccabe, prince plus cronies??
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Can't recall who said it without looking back but the notion he ran it airbrushes Derek Dooley from the clubs history.

I agree he was a cheerleader and a damn good one. Maybe a quiet board is better than what we've had over the last few years?
 
Billpuntonsbaldhead said:
We got rid of desire and passion and achievement - we let Warnock go.
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You should be on the clubs.
Best football joke ive heard since Wilder started.
IN MAY.......Players been here six weeks.
Bring Fathi. Shelton and all the other crap players he paid for back......He can waste your money.....Only Evans has bought more players.
Sitting down now .Sides are aching..
 
Blade56 said:
Simple, we got it right by being promoted to PL, failed to invest in players, got relegated, sold best players bought cheaper players, got relighted, sold best players, stayed put, sold best players bought journeymen stayed put, sold best players bought loads of cheap Scottish players stayed put, sold best players dint buy owt but a donkey stayed put, sold best players bought cheap Unknown players and kept saying we need 4, still trying.

Potted history of what went wrong doing it ont cheap and thinking you've invested when you've paid the price putting right doing it on the cheap then doing it on the cheap again

I thank you
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I think its called systematic asset-stripping..it's a great post
 
Finnieston said:
You should be on the clubs.
Best football joke ive heard since Wilder started.
IN MAY.......Players been here six weeks.
Bring Fathi. Shelton and all the other crap players he paid for back......He can waste your money.....Only Evans has bought more players.
Sitting down now .Sides are aching..
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I prefer those days to the decade of total shit since
 
WincobankBlade said:
we need a leader on the pitch

edit: not a criticism of Sharp by the way way but just wonder if he's the right type, vocal enough and all that
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I'd tend to believe that a Captain would be better at Centre Half or Centre Midfield. I'm not sure a Forward would be any better a Captain than a Goalkeeper.
 
FATTYFOULKE said:
...and no it's not as simple as McCabe out.

Today has simply been one of the worst most uninspiring performances I have ever seen from a United team. They couldn't string two passes together. They were dreadful.

They lacked confidence and cohesion but what puzzles me is it was half a new team, some the pick of this league last season.

It seems no matter what the manager or however right he seems at the time, no matter how much we spend and no matter how much we back them...nothing changes.

We're just on a never ending downward spiral.

I have to have faith Wilder will turn this around. But after what I've seen today I really do have my doubts. It was schoolboy stuff and schoolboy errors.

It was shocking, no other word for it.
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I think you have get out of this one season manager mentality. It's just not enough time. It is a hard reset every year plus some questionable decisions such as the Desso. Normal relay would have cost less and the balance used to buy players. Still dont get why wilson? got the window then was fired. That made no sense to me
 
baggie192 said:
I think you have get out of this one season manager mentality. It's just not enough time. It is a hard reset every year plus some questionable decisions such as the Desso. Normal relay would have cost less and the balance used to buy players. Still dont get why wilson? got the window then was fired. That made no sense to me
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Not much we seem to do makes sense to be honest. Often poorly executed decisions made at the wrong time. It gets to a point where you don't expect anything else, being properly run would be quite the shock to the system.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Soccer base says Harry has played 76 times since he left us.
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Didn't think it was as many as that

But he's certainly struggling to hold down a first team place.
Another example of where football has it all wrong. In what other business can the very average and unproven become multi millionaires overnight and then disappear with a "I've made my cash" attitude" (Not saying Maguire is like that BTW)
But many players are.

I do not have a problem with great players earning a fortune, they provide their clubs with worldwide commercial revenues but the average Joe Bloggs taking millions out of the game and giving back nothing is really annoying
 

It's also quite sad that someone now has to travel to Hull City to make some cash
 
Too many changes of direction.

If M&S are going through a bad patch they might change the CEO but they don't scrap the idea of selling old biddy clothes and nice ready meals in favour of bang on trend threads and dog food. The next bloke in place knows what he has to do and the parameters he has to work from.
We have a bad season, sack the manager and START AGAIN from scratch. This takes time but we don't give the manager any leeway. If he doesn't get promoted we bin him off and try and unload all the players that don't fit the new mans system, we start again from scratch. This may work once in ten (maybe even less than that) but it more often than not fails because, with the best will in the world, you can't just drop 11 new faces in and it work straight away. But if it doesn't work straight away . . . . . . . . rinse and repeat.
 
Grecian2000 said:
Too many changes of direction.

If M&S are going through a bad patch they might change the CEO but they don't scrap the idea of selling old biddy clothes and nice ready meals in favour of bang on trend threads and dog food. The next bloke in place knows what he has to do and the parameters he has to work from.
We have a bad season, sack the manager and START AGAIN from scratch. This takes time but we don't give the manager any leeway. If he doesn't get promoted we bin him off and try and unload all the players that don't fit the new mans system, we start again from scratch. This may work once in ten (maybe even less than that) but it more often than not fails because, with the best will in the world, you can't just drop 11 new faces in and it work straight away. But if it doesn't work straight away . . . . . . . . rinse and repeat.
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M&S go through bad patches when they try to sell poor quality product and still charge a premium price for it. In the same way we have replaced players for ones of poorer quality and McCabe tries to sell it that it's "bad luck" that we are still scratching round in Division 3. The difference is that with M&S, people say "fuck this, if they are selling crap I might as well shop at Primark", with football clubs people don't have the same opportunity. It's surprising to me how well the gates have held up.
 
Grecian2000 said:
Too many changes of direction.

If M&S are going through a bad patch they might change the CEO but they don't scrap the idea of selling old biddy clothes and nice ready meals in favour of bang on trend threads and dog food. The next bloke in place knows what he has to do and the parameters he has to work from.
We have a bad season, sack the manager and START AGAIN from scratch. This takes time but we don't give the manager any leeway. If he doesn't get promoted we bin him off and try and unload all the players that don't fit the new mans system, we start again from scratch. This may work once in ten (maybe even less than that) but it more often than not fails because, with the best will in the world, you can't just drop 11 new faces in and it work straight away. But if it doesn't work straight away . . . . . . . . rinse and repeat.
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They tried to go "trendy" with men's clothing a few years ago and it cost them millions. There core customers weren't suddenly going to stop wearing cardigans and start dressing homie style just like that. So they pretty much went back to their strength. That one change of direction cost them. As you say, we do it time after time while no one even knows what our strength is because of constant change.
 
The Crab said:
Not much we seem to do makes sense to be honest. Often poorly executed decisions made at the wrong time. It gets to a point where you don't expect anything else, being properly run would be quite the shock to the system.
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Did I get the manager right? It was Wilson who was sacked right after the Summer window closed? From the outside the whole thing is hard to fathom. Compare Us and you. We have 3 clubs in an 11 mile radius each of whom have have a capacity ranging from 25,000 to 40,000. The catchment area for fans is cramped. You have Wednesday. plus a bunch of Walsall sized clubs. So Sheffield is a 2 team City. It shouldn't have gone so wrong for either club. It's hard to see how badly it been messed up and understand why? Robson was crap, I realised that when he sold Rob Earnshaw instead of Nathan Ellington. We were ruthless with him. When we sliped to 9th in the championship he was fired. Then Tony Mowbray/RDM and Dan Ashworth spent 4 years transforming the club. To consider we nearly went into administration in the 90s. the formula was simple really realise you can't compete at first in the prem so strengthen for the championship and aim for promotion within 2 years reinvest some money to improve part of the club. From Megson to RDM that was our ethos. The tippping point was 2010 when we had to stay up and try for stability. Now we are the only team in the west midlands in the prem. I mean no disrespect with this but you shouldn't of failed like you have. I hate the Wo1ve5. nothing made me happier than when they went down to league 1 but they bossed it. That what you should be especially since it's a 2 club city The Blades should be feared by smaller clubs you're not anymore. That is a bigger problem too. You should be a shark in a paddling pool, yet you're a fucking goldfish and I don't see a way out
 
baggie192 said:
Did I get the manager right? It was Wilson who was sacked right after the Summer window closed?
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Sacked after the 2-0 home defeat to Crawley. We had 5 games left to play. Chris Morgan took over. I have never really known the real story behind the sacking. I remember someone said Wilson had a bust up with one of the directors after the Crawley match and then he "had to go"
 
baggie192 said:
Did I get the manager right? It was Wilson who was sacked right after the Summer window closed? From the outside the whole thing is hard to fathom. Compare Us and you. We have 3 clubs in an 11 mile radius each of whom have have a capacity ranging from 25,000 to 40,000. The catchment area for fans is cramped. You have Wednesday. plus a bunch of Walsall sized clubs. So Sheffield is a 2 team City. It shouldn't have gone so wrong for either club. It's hard to see how badly it been messed up and understand why? Robson was crap, I realised that when he sold Rob Earnshaw instead of Nathan Ellington. We were ruthless with him. When we sliped to 9th in the championship he was fired. Then Tony Mowbray/RDM and Dan Ashworth spent 4 years transforming the club. To consider we nearly went into administration in the 90s. the formula was simple really realise you can't compete at first in the prem so strengthen for the championship and aim for promotion within 2 years reinvest some money to improve part of the club. From Megson to RDM that was our ethos. The tippping point was 2010 when we had to stay up and try for stability. Now we are the only team in the west midlands in the prem. I mean no disrespect with this but you shouldn't of failed like you have. I hate the Wo1ve5. nothing made me happier than when they went down to league 1 but they bossed it. That what you should be especially since it's a 2 club city The Blades should be feared by smaller clubs you're not anymore. That is a bigger problem too. You should be a shark in a paddling pool, yet you're a fucking goldfish and I don't see a way out
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The big difference between us and Wolves is that they went for a manager with a decent cv and relatively recent success whereas we went for a very average manager in Danny Wilson. A better manager would have had us up by the time Ched went down and it would have been almost irrelevant.
If you don't go up first time round it gets harder, especially when you lose players and don't adequately replace them, which is hard in L1. And every season we don't go up it seems to get even harder.

The reason you lot did so well is you had Dan Ashworth overseeing the technical side which gave you continuity. You could sack managers and replace them with little adverse effect. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't your worst spell in the PL coincide with him leaving and being replaced initially by the bloke who used to do the contracts?

We rely solely on managers and have little continuity in how they want us to play so every season have a number of players, expensively recruited, who don't suit what the new guy wants to do. And it costs us a fortune.
 
BushBlade said:
The big difference between us and Wolves is that they went for a manager with a decent cv and relatively recent success whereas we went for a very average manager in Danny Wilson. A better manager would have had us up by the time Ched went down and it would have been almost irrelevant.
If you don't go up first time round it gets harder, especially when you lose players and don't adequately replace them, which is hard in L1. And every season we don't go up it seems to get even harder.

The reason you lot did so well is you had Dan Ashworth overseeing the technical side which gave you continuity. You could sack managers and replace them with little adverse effect. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't your worst spell in the PL coincide with him leaving and being replaced initially by the bloke who used to do the contracts?

We rely solely on managers and have little continuity in how they want us to play so every season have a number of players, expensively recruited, who don't suit what the new guy wants to do. And it costs us a fortune.
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I got the manager wrong for that I apologise. Who was it who was sacked right after the window closed? Ironically when Ashworth went we finished in the highest position 8th. Perhaps this started earlier than anybody realised. This may sounds egotistical but few teams have followed our blueprint (Norwich is the only one I can think of) which I don't understand United, Derby could have all done it Ashworth copied Hammond who now works for us, but, at the time worked for Reading so the people to do that job were/are out there. I think bad mistakes were made by not concentraiting on the club. The Hotel, Chengdu Blades and the ilk It should have been Solely Sheffield united and nothing else and now its too late
 
baggie192 said:
I got the manager wrong for that I apologise. Who was it who was sacked right after the window closed? Ironically when Ashworth went we finished in the highest position 8th. Perhaps this started earlier than anybody realised. This may sounds egotistical but few teams have followed our blueprint (Norwich is the only one I can think of) which I don't understand United, Derby could have all done it Ashworth copied Hammond who now works for us, but, at the time worked for Reading so the people to do that job were/are out there. I think bad mistakes were made by not concentraiting on the club. The Hotel, Chengdu Blades and the ilk It should have been Solely Sheffield united and nothing else and now its too late
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Blackwell was sacked at the start of the season. He'd brought in several players at quite a cost and then didn't name a full bench away at a League Cup game at Hartlepool (I think, somewhere like that) as if to imply he hadn't been allowed to strengthen sufficiently, which didn't go down well. He then lost to Warnock's QPR, at the Lane, and that was the last straw. Sacked in haste. Personally, I think two seasons too late.
 
baggie192 said:
Did I get the manager right? It was Wilson who was sacked right after the Summer window closed? From the outside the whole thing is hard to fathom. Compare Us and you. We have 3 clubs in an 11 mile radius each of whom have have a capacity ranging from 25,000 to 40,000. The catchment area for fans is cramped. You have Wednesday. plus a bunch of Walsall sized clubs. So Sheffield is a 2 team City. It shouldn't have gone so wrong for either club. It's hard to see how badly it been messed up and understand why? Robson was crap, I realised that when he sold Rob Earnshaw instead of Nathan Ellington. We were ruthless with him. When we sliped to 9th in the championship he was fired. Then Tony Mowbray/RDM and Dan Ashworth spent 4 years transforming the club. To consider we nearly went into administration in the 90s. the formula was simple really realise you can't compete at first in the prem so strengthen for the championship and aim for promotion within 2 years reinvest some money to improve part of the club. From Megson to RDM that was our ethos. The tippping point was 2010 when we had to stay up and try for stability. Now we are the only team in the west midlands in the prem. I mean no disrespect with this but you shouldn't of failed like you have. I hate the Wo1ve5. nothing made me happier than when they went down to league 1 but they bossed it. That what you should be especially since it's a 2 club city The Blades should be feared by smaller clubs you're not anymore. That is a bigger problem too. You should be a shark in a paddling pool, yet you're a fucking goldfish and I don't see a way out
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Can't argue with any of that. A slow but sure decline has set in since we left the Prem. As much as I want promotion, I actually fear it quite a bit. In the time we have been stuck in League 1, there has been a growing gap in quality between this League and the Championship, to the extent that I really wonder how we are going to finance a side that would even be halfway competitive if we did go up.

I have to doff my cap at the way you guys have gone about your business, built on solid foundations to become a (fairly) established Premiership team. In short, you are the team we should have been. Instead we are getting bitch slapped at home by Crewe.

Best wishes for the season.
 

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