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FATTYFOULKE said:
...and no it's not as simple as McCabe out.

Today has simply been one of th
FATTYFOULKE said:
...and no it's not as simple as McCabe out.

Today has simply been one of the worst most uninspiring performances I have ever seen from a United team. They couldn't string two passes together. They were dreadful.

They lacked confidence and cohesion but what puzzles me is it was half a new team, some the pick of this league last season.

It seems no matter what the manager or however right he seems at the time, no matter how much we spend and no matter how much we back them...nothing changes.

We're just on a never ending downward spiral.

I have to have faith Wilder will turn this around. But after what I've seen today I really do have my doubts. It was schoolboy stuff and schoolboy errors.

It was shocking, no other word for it.
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e worst most uninspiring performances I have ever seen from a United team. They couldn't string two passes together. They were dreadful.

They lacked confidence and cohesion but what puzzles me is it was half a new team, some the pick of this league last season.

It seems no matter what the manager or however right he seems at the time, no matter how much we spend and no matter how much we back them...nothing changes.

We're just on a never ending downward spiral.

I have to have faith Wilder will turn this around. But after what I've seen today I really do have my doubts. It was schoolboy stuff and schoolboy errors.

It was shocking, no other word for it.
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FATTYFOULKE said:
...and no it's not as simple as McCabe out.

Today has simply been one of the worst most uninspiring performances I have ever seen from a United team. They couldn't string two passes together. They were dreadful.

They lacked confidence and cohesion but what puzzles me is it was half a new team, some the pick of this league last season.

It seems no matter what the manager or however right he seems at the time, no matter how much we spend and no matter how much we back them...nothing changes.

We're just on a never ending downward spiral.

I have to have faith Wilder will turn this around. But after what I've seen today I really do have my doubts. It was schoolboy stuff and schoolboy errors.

It was shocking, no other word for it.
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All I'll say is we have the biggest percentage of fuckwits I've ever known, let the man build a team you stupid dumplings. It's not going to happen over night , see you all at. The wall
 

Alfreton14Blade said:
See above, mate - post #30. They're each of them improvements on what went before IMO. And more to come, thankfully.
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Edgar > Wilson - Nope - both poor L1 examples
Collins > O'Connell - yes - but then we paid money and has youth on his side
McEveley > Hussey - nope, don't agree
Hammond > Fleck - yes, not a problem at all
Coutts/Flynn > Duffy - nope, like for like change
Sammon > Clarke - yes, agree 100%

so the 3 are Wilson, Hussey and possibly Duffy.

Time will tell as Dronnie is telling us about Clark.

UTB
 
BushBlade said:
We've got so many things wrong it's a snowball effect. Modern football is complex and it just isn't a case of constantly changing managers until you find a good one. A manager can only do so much.
Almost every season since we sacked Robson the manager has had to work under a backdrop of a reducing wage bill and the sales of our best players. On top of that, we appointed a useless manager after Robson, a useless manager.
That lead to KM losing a shit load of money and he's never really got over it.
Then he finds Poundland, gets a tranche of money and does exactly what he did when he appointed Robson, replaced him with a 'name' an ex England player who'd built his reputation on slowly building teams on low budgets. And then gave him a pile of money to spend and sacked him for not sorting us out quick enough (and whatever happened at the famous end of season meeting).

Once again we finally appoint a manager who's CV suggests he might actually be able to do something but such is the size of the task he fails spectacularly.

And so we go again, the Poundland money has gone and we've got nowhere and done nothing other than build up our expenses to an unsustainable level. So now we're cutting back the wage bill and selling our best players again.

What KM wants is a Warnock. Someone who can run the whole club successfully and do it on the cheap. But not only that, someone who can get us up quickly. Managers like that are like rocking horse shit. And the game has moved on.

The best case scenario is that CW keeps us at the top end of the table whilst reducing the wage bill and that next season, when we've got the rest of the 'deadwood' out of the club, we can push on.

The worst case scenario is that CW is out of his depth, sacked by the end of the season or before and we get another mug who deems Wilder's signings to be deadwood and needs to bring his own players in.

That's being brief and I know I haven't even covered some of the other issues that we know about, never mind the 'behind the scenes stuff' we don't. But when players think they can get managers sacked by whinging to the people who run the club, then some of our problems are obvious.
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good post. If the worst case scenario happens (though I really don't think it will) and we're in a relegation scrap maybe KM will patch it up with Warnock and sign him to the end of the season?
 
robbiez666 said:
Maybe, just maybe, if we signed young physical players with some pace there would be more purpose. It's just tired and boring.

We lack players who can produce something out of nothing. we lack creativity. We lack pace. We lack height. We lack players who will drive us forward.
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We have a player who can create, Robbie, in Fleck, trouble is he isn't going to see much of the ball to create , if we continue to play like yesterday.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
Nine of the squad of eighteen yesterday were new additions (if you include Ramsdale). It's gonna take time to gell, inevitably.

Problem is that having changed 9 isn't enough - the main problems are amongst the remaining nine, not with the new players.

Wilder needs to continue pushing his revolution through.
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You're right Alf, we have brought in a lot (I won't say invested a lot, because I think Wilder has still had to wheel and deal) but we are still far away from the finished article, really shy of it actually. We still need a lot more and the gaps are clear to see.
 
Blade56 said:
Potted history of what went wrong doing it ont cheap and thinking you've invested when you've paid the price putting right doing it on the cheap then doing it on the cheap again
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Exactly this, this is a big part of the problem - McCabe appears to have this unerring attitude of "you don't know how good you've got it" because he feels like he has invested and backed the club. Whilst it is true that he's put a lot of money into the club the vast, vast, vast majority of that has been towards undoing his own mistakes!!!
 

No ambition = No money invested into first team = Poor season after season=Kevin McCabe's Fault
 
From top to bottom the club wreaks of limitations. It's all about what they can't do instead of what they can do. The club have now broken the spirit of even the most loyal fans and we are all now accepting of absolute dogshyte because too many believe it cannot possibly be any better for us.

Dozens of average and small sized clubs have won trophies, qualified for Europe and had prolonged stays in the Premier League.
But for us there is that "We don't deserve it" "attitude.
Let's not gamble with the club's security attitude
Any player wants a better deal "F@ck him off" attitude
Football used to be better in the good ol' days b@llocks

Signing good players is not gambling with the clubs future, all clubs have to accept that not all signings will work out but if you keep signing good players you will be right more times than you are wrong.

It makes me sick how clubs like Norwich and Ipswich constantly outperform us. They do it by never changing anything, the blueprint remains the same no matter who is in charge and no matter what players they have. They try to play good football and sign affordable players that have proven they can play good football.
Then they sell them for millions and go and get another couple of players who can play football, repeat over and over again.

Doesn't always work............. how can it ?
But at least fans of these clubs and clubs like them know, that good times will return again one day.

And instead of us spending any of the Adams money on players who we just know will be crap, the first thing I'd do is set up a million percent better scouting system, because ours is beyond a joke.
 
Throughout our years of decline the one constant factor has been selling our better players and replacing them with poorer players using only a percentage of the fee received.

The usual excuse is "we can't stand on their way when a premier league / (and now) championship club come calling.

Two things we could do to start to turn things around.

1. Instead of trying to get a player of equal calibre at half the cost if they decide they really must sell a player, how about showing a bit of ambition and instead add to the fee received and buy a better player?

2. Hate to say this but take a leaf out of that lot across the city regarding the want away Forrestarie. They've said he's going nowhere and are prepared to make him see out his contract come what may. Of course we don't know whether they'll stick to their guns but I applaud them for it. They're trying to build a top ended team and they're not going to do it by selling their best players.

Tell any player such as Che Adams they're under contract and going nowhere. Tell them that as a professional we expect them to adhere to the contract they were only too willing to sign and that we expect nothing less than one hundred percent commitment. Tell them that any less and they will be stuck in the reserves or worse for the remainder of their contract. Take the hit of any potential transfer fee loss as that would be dwarfed by the monetary gains of promotion.

Show some bollocks and ram home how fortunate they are to have been given the opportunity to play for Sheffield United, don't roll over with lame excuses that we can't stand in the way of a players potential move to someone like Birmingham City (for example) even though we do hold on for an extra tuppance more.

My anger after yesterday has subsided a little now. I hope it was a case of a new team finding its feet playing to a new managers instruction. I was always going to stick with them but my god, I hope this season we get a bit of long overdue fortune.
 
LYDON said:
And you pay how much per match/ST to watch?

I've got my moron hunting main-beam on tonight.
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I'm not sure how much I pay overall by the end of the season. I have to pick and choose games. Maybe take your beam down to the directors box down Lane. There's plenty there to hunt.
 
Far to convenient fatty
Underselling and buying badly is all part and parcel of this club, it's gone on for generations.
The board always use the same platitudes when they sell a player, he wanted to leave, he asked for a transfer, it's no use keeping an unhappy player.
If our fans want to believe that a player will become disruptive just because he doesn't get a transfer then there's no hope for us.

Harry Maguire has barely played a game of football since he left
Now would he have thrown a strop and not played to the best of his ability if we'd made him see out the one year left on his contract ?.........I think not.
He'd have been playing for the best contract he could get the following season, who knows it might have been with us if we'd gone up.

And, we would have been entitled to compensation if he'd gone elsewhere, compensation that would have been decided by somebody else with a decent perspective on transfer fees in the 21st Century rather than the bunch of pricks that decide our transfer policy.
 
JordoBlade said:
I'm not sure how much I pay overall by the end of the season. I have to pick and choose games. Maybe take your beam down to the directors box down Lane. There's plenty there to hunt.
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If I thought I was paying my hard earned to a set of morons.
What does that make me?

Think. About. It.
 
We were talking about this after the game. Some were saying this or that player was crap, but we know some of them are recognised as amongst the best in the division so what's happened to them?

Somebody suggested that it'll not change until the fans finally turn their backs on the club and our players play in front of smaller gates maybe moving away from the Lane, because at this level, players just can't handle the pressure and expectations of a big club. An interesting theory with possibly a bit of credence in some instances, but then how did clubs like Man City, Wolves and Leeds get out if this division, and we've gone down the road of filling our team with players from higher divisions and it hasn't worked?

Personally, I think we're still where we are because of lack of direction and consistency from the top down. We're going for it one minute and then tightening the purse strings the next. We're a battling team under one manager, but then we bring in another manager who wants us to play the passing game but most of the passing players aren't up to it, so we need to recruit but then we get another manager who want to play the pressing game but the passing players aren't up to it and so it goes on.

We need to have a game plan for this division and need to stick to it even beyond managers. We should try to give Wilder the time he needs, but if he turns out to be a dud down the line, he should be replaced by somebody who's team plays in a similar way and can work with similar players on a similar budget and let the bulk of better players grow together with minimal recruitment. Unless somebody is going to throw silly money at the problem, we need the board and owners to think and plan beyond one season and even one manager.
 
Yep, constantly changing styles all the time.

We bring in a cultured midfielder like Leon Britton and hoof it over his head
We have unskilled morons in the middle of the park and try to play like Barcelona

I used Ipswich and Norwich as examples in another thread.
The one thing you get with these two teams and many others like them is a consistent game plan season after season after season.

It may not always work because players aren't always successful at any given club and sometimes certain signings don't work out, but if you have the blueprint in place and it NEVER EVER changes regardless of personnel you eventually attract the manager and the correct type of players to play from the blueprint. Then occasionally you see a bit of success as both of these clubs have had now and then.
 
I think Southampton have done the same JJ, if clubs aren't awash with money, it's the logical way to go just as it is in other business fields.

You can't keep changing direction and focus every year or so.
 
JJBlade said:
Yep, constantly changing styles all the time.

We bring in a cultured midfielder like Leon Britton and hoof it over his head
We have unskilled morons in the middle of the park and try to play like Barcelona

I used Ipswich and Norwich as examples in another thread.
The one thing you get with these two teams and many others like them is a consistent game plan season after season after season.

It may not always work because players aren't always successful at any given club and sometimes certain signings don't work out, but if you have the blueprint in place and it NEVER EVER changes regardless of personnel you eventually attract the manager and the correct type of players to play from the blueprint. Then occasionally you see a bit of success as both of these clubs have had now and then.
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Swansea are another example. Football strategy - not an easy thing to do when you have a different board of property men and carpet sellers every other year.
 
JJBlade said:
Far to convenient fatty
Underselling and buying badly is all part and parcel of this club, it's gone on for generations.
The board always use the same platitudes when they sell a player, he wanted to leave, he asked for a transfer, it's no use keeping an unhappy player.
If our fans want to believe that a player will become disruptive just because he doesn't get a transfer then there's no hope for us.

Harry Maguire has barely played a game of football since he left
Now would he have thrown a strop and not played to the best of his ability if we'd made him see out the one year left on his contract ?.........I think not.
He'd have been playing for the best contract he could get the following season, who knows it might have been with us if we'd gone up.

And, we would have been entitled to compensation if he'd gone elsewhere, compensation that would have been decided by somebody else with a decent perspective on transfer fees in the 21st Century rather than the bunch of pricks that decide our transfer policy.
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OK then, let's have your list of players that we've undersold and the prices we should have got for them if only we'd not had pricks in charge.
 
Blade56 said:
no one man is bigger than the club but maybe, just maybe Warnock is equal to it.
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He's not, and am sure Wilder does not care for his ghost walking around the corridors.

Warnock would do the job for a season, now the post-match gloom has worn off, I'm expecting Wilder to be a long term investment.
 
We need stability, something we haven't had for a decade or more. Constant changes at the top with boardroom juggling, manager after manager sacked and players sold if any hint of ability is shown. Yes we know it takes a fortune to run a football club so constantly moaning about it doesn't help does it. Sell and get out if you can't finance the club. How many times has McCabe said he wanted out but hasn't pushed to find anyone of note to buy the club. With the ground, the support and the infrastructure in place as regards the academy, surely it would be attractive to a potential buyer. I don't want to dispute the total amount that has been invested in the club over McCabes tenure because it's the future that is important and that's what McCabe fails to see. Not many League 1 owners will recoup the total outlay when selling the club so a bit of common sense is required in that respect. If people really do have the club at heart and seriously want to see them succeed, then looking at the bigger picture right now will show that we need a complete change at the top and a complete change of direction. Southampton were down here not long ago and did what was needed which included new owners and financial competence. Unless we go in a similar direction we will be down here for a good few years yet. We all know it hurts to be down at this level but we can't change things, we follow blindly as we always have. It's up to the people in charge to look at themselves in the mirror and be honest, stop using the club as a personal cash cow and take steps to ensure the clubs future is secured and if it means someone else needs to come in and do it, make it happen.
 

Far be it for me to poo poo on a thread that contains a number of excellent points but I think it's a bit too early in the season to be flagellating ourselves like this. 3 games in, 2 of which we could/should/would have won on any other day and yesterday which was generally poor but hardly worse than the last 2 seasons.
More signings to come, CW crafting his team and talking no bollocks in the process.
I agree that the running of thus club has been shambolic for years but let's give it a few more games before we conclude that a corner is yet to be turned.

Sorry ;)
 
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