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Ollessendro said:
Berty sez 2 signings cud appen. Mebbe. Both men, ageed between 18 n 35, likely t cum from divisions 1 to 4 and positions 1 to 11. Might appen afoor d transfer window closes (if d fax machine is fixed). FACT. Source: Septic Peg. Any one who disagrees, twats d lot of em.
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For our English readers.....
 
Grizzly blade said:
That is bollocks Ricky.
Cardiff didn't want to sell him, Cardiff fans were full of praise for him when they had him in the championship.
Fact is, Clough got the best from him, but we got rid of Clough.
He then played under Adkins.....a man who managed to make a squad worse, cause disharmony in the camp and piss people off. His tactics were dire, he didn't know his best side and couldn't organise the piss up in a brewery. Any wonder he wasn't his best....but was still better than most.

If you think a long run without injury is a few months you are missing the point. The fitness of professional athletes is way above anything you can contemplate. You don't just get that back from a bit of Physio waiting to get the all clear to return. It's hard graft over months off the pitch....but it's matches that really bring them up to speed. That simply cannot be replicated on the training ground.

As for salary....don't speculate. You don't know either the average salary in the squad or Brayfords cut. I can tell you he got A big salary at Cardiff...but had a 50% cut when they went down. He then took a further big wage cut to come here. Figures I don't know in detail, but contrary to popular belief we did operate a strict wage ceiling under Clough and Brannigan. Granted he may have got a bigger signing on fee and release fee from Cardiff, but as for salary it's not anywhere near Hammond levels of 17k a week.
Ignoring the contradictions you make regards selling him....how much would we get for this shit full back then? On your description he's worth what? Shall we say £250k?? That won't get a right lot will it!
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I wouldn't be so sure to call that bollocks. I saw him play a part in plenty of goals Cardiff conceded before we signed him and the comments from their fans were far from overwhelming in his favour.
Clough didn't come close to getting the best out of him after signing permanently. His performances were similar to what they were last season.

Don't tell me what I can contemplate.
Brayford was out for about 5/6 months. If he was still capable of his loan performance levels pre injury and we're writing off his poor form after signing permanently as a blip, are you telling me another 6 months of first team football isn't enough to show some sign of that capability, at least sporadically? You see plenty of players come back from similar lay offs and hit the ground running far quicker. In reality though, it's not like he came back much worse than he was already.

Is he on a big wage compared to most in our squad? Yes or no? I make no contradictions whatsoever. People might pay money for him based largely on his past reputation. I didn't say big money either. Even if it was 250k it would put plenty towards wages. Let's say we get a 250k fee and save 10k p/w for a year... that's 770k. That's a lot of money for us. It's about three and a half good L1 salaries.
 
Andy Giddings on Twitter this morning lending truth to Berty's rumours... says looking at 4 more in, one of them being a keeper. Confident of adding to the squad before Saturday (something imminent?). Also says Wilder is still in talks with the board re Adams money "There's no figure" but "I'm on at the board a lot". Keep pestering, Chris, we need every penny we can get.

EDIT: Here's a link to the interview:

https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p044b4r4/player?chromeless
 
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Ricky said:
I wouldn't be so sure to call that bollocks. I saw him play a part in plenty of goals Cardiff conceded before we signed him and the comments from their fans were far from overwhelming in his favour.
Clough didn't come close to getting the best out of him after signing permanently. His performances were similar to what they were last season.

Don't tell me what I can contemplate.
Brayford was out for about 5/6 months. If he was still capable of his loan performance levels pre injury and we're writing off his poor form after signing permanently as a blip, are you telling me another 6 months of first team football isn't enough to show some sign of that capability, at least sporadically? You see plenty of players come back from similar lay offs and hit the ground running far quicker. In reality though, it's not like he came back much worse than he was already.

Is he on a big wage compared to most in our squad? Yes or no? I make no contradictions whatsoever. People might pay money for him based largely on his past reputation. I didn't say big money either. Even if it was 250k it would put plenty towards wages. Let's say we get a 250k fee and save 10k p/w for a year... that's 770k. That's a lot of money for us. It's about three and a half good L1 salaries.
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So you watched Cardiff regularly then? Or was it that you watched a few goals they conceded and attributed "blame" to Brayford solely based on something he didn't do, rather than the whole defensive unit.
Opinions....Brayford was not crap under Clough. He wasn't Crap under Adkins, but he didn't get forward the same as he did when he had Coady covering his runs and Harry at the back to defend. He came to the club to play for Clough and we then sacked him. You are dumbing down his ability to try and win an argument.
So far, Brayford has played 2 matches for Wilder. Save his crossing he's been good. That will get better.

As for injury....he was out for 6 months, missed pre season. That's 6 months doing nowt, with his leg in a protective boot most the time. He came back into a shit side under a shit manager with pressure to make an immediate impact. At the same time needing to get his fitness and strength back....not to mention form. He then missed the end of the season again, meaning he came into pre season with zero match fitness. He's still playing catch up. So yes, you clearly don't know how injury lay off affects form in actual human beings. These are not robots, or computer generated players. But flesh and bone, and every one different.

As for the maths...it's subjective. £250k in wages is one decent L1 player. If we have a fee to pay on top we haven't saved a penny and simply replaced the right back. And by saying we would save 10k a week for a year assumes Brayford is on 15k a week, which he isn't. You may forget how we were paying a portion of his wages when on loan, and didn't offer sufficient to cover half his Cardiff salary. Brayford chose to write it off. I can't recall the exact figure I was told, but £7k a week was the rough figure. (Will message you privately if you want to know how I know this)
So from that, he was on around 18k a week when Cardiff were in the prem. 50% cut....9k.....pay cut to come to us...£8k tops plus very generous promotion bonus. Even then....too much for a club in L1 BTW.

So we replace him and save 3-4 k a week. A risk not needed when other areas are a priority.
 
Is Freeman any worse than post-injury Brayford?

His strength was always his buccaneering runs down the line, and unless he gets that back in his game I don't see much difference in the two personally.
 
Enigmatic said:
Andy Giddings on Twitter this morning lending truth to Berty's rumours... says looking at 4 more in, one of them being a keeper. Confident of adding to the squad before Saturday (something imminent?). Also says Wilder is still in talks with the board re Adams money "There's no figure" but "I'm on at the board a lot". Keep pestering, Chris, we need every penny we can get.

EDIT: Here's a link to the interview:

https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p044b4r4/player?chromeless
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I don't see why he wouldn't get all the Adams money. If we can spunk a million plus on a pitch, what else should it go on? Directors bonuses?
Ok I've just answered my own question.

Surely they must recognise that to get out of this league we have to reinvest on the (beautifully weaved) pitch? Again just answered my own question.
 
west_yorks_blade said:
I don't see why he wouldn't get all the Adams money. If we can spunk a million plus on a pitch, what else should it go on? Directors bonuses?
Ok I've just answered my own question.

Surely they must recognise that to get out of this league we have to reinvest on the (beautifully weaved) pitch? Again just answered my own question.
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Directors don`t get bonuses, I`m a shareholder so know these sort of things ;)

We HAVE invested in the squad, and will continue to do so up to Aug 31st, with 4 or 5 new signings.
 
Treeton Blade said:
Directors don`t get bonuses, I`m a shareholder so know these sort of things ;)

We HAVE invested in the squad, and will continue to do so up to Aug 31st, with 4 or 5 new signings.
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So effectively, apart from Billy Sharp, we will have replaced everyone from last year? Incredible if true.
 
The Desso seems to be getting some criticism. Why?
The season before it was laid, the state of the BDTBL pitch in certain areas was atrocious.
It had to be dug up, thrown away and a new one put down.

It wasn't an option of whether to spend money on players.
The money invested was NEVER part of the transfer budget.
 
Exactly mr Lydon.

No point players training on 3G smooth surfaces to then play on a rugby pitch. Can't move the ball quickly if it's bobbling all over the shot.
 
Treeton Blade said:
Wilder has worked wonders with the budget available.
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I'll give you a BIG fuckin' LIKE if we're sitting Top Two after the final whistle at the final game of the season.
Two games in Chief... Ain't be handing out any likes as regards Wilder's transfer business.
Early days as we all know, let's see how he progresses, I hope he does.
 

LYDON said:
I'll give you a BIG fuckin' LIKE if we're sitting Top Two after the final whistle at the final game of the season.
Two games in Chief... Ain't be handing out any likes as regards Wilder's transfer business.
Early days as we all know, let's see how he progresses, I hope he does.
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Cheers Lydon,

I`ll be back in touch in May
 
Grizzly blade said:
So you watched Cardiff regularly then? Or was it that you watched a few goals they conceded and attributed "blame" to Brayford solely based on something he didn't do, rather than the whole defensive unit.
Opinions....Brayford was not crap under Clough. He wasn't Crap under Adkins, but he didn't get forward the same as he did when he had Coady covering his runs and Harry at the back to defend. He came to the club to play for Clough and we then sacked him. You are dumbing down his ability to try and win an argument.
So far, Brayford has played 2 matches for Wilder. Save his crossing he's been good. That will get better.

As for injury....he was out for 6 months, missed pre season. That's 6 months doing nowt, with his leg in a protective boot most the time. He came back into a shit side under a shit manager with pressure to make an immediate impact. At the same time needing to get his fitness and strength back....not to mention form. He then missed the end of the season again, meaning he came into pre season with zero match fitness. He's still playing catch up. So yes, you clearly don't know how injury lay off affects form in actual human beings. These are not robots, or computer generated players. But flesh and bone, and every one different.

As for the maths...it's subjective. £250k in wages is one decent L1 player. If we have a fee to pay on top we haven't saved a penny and simply replaced the right back. And by saying we would save 10k a week for a year assumes Brayford is on 15k a week, which he isn't. You may forget how we were paying a portion of his wages when on loan, and didn't offer sufficient to cover half his Cardiff salary. Brayford chose to write it off. I can't recall the exact figure I was told, but £7k a week was the rough figure. (Will message you privately if you want to know how I know this)
So from that, he was on around 18k a week when Cardiff were in the prem. 50% cut....9k.....pay cut to come to us...£8k tops plus very generous promotion bonus. Even then....too much for a club in L1 BTW.

So we replace him and save 3-4 k a week. A risk not needed when other areas are a priority.
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I always watched the goals Cardiff conceded and mistakes from Brayford were a recurring theme. Not what I wanted to see but it was undeniable.

I could easily say you are giving a false opinion of his performances to win an argument. But I don't think you'd suggest for a second he's been the same player we had on loan. Regardless of Maguire and Coady.

I know very well what injury lay offs can do to you, especially knee injuries. At professional level though most players come back from these lay offs without being a shadow of what they were. It is true that they're all different, but in our case, if Brayford is the age/body type etc where recovering will take far longer than most, possibly the duration of his contract, then isn't that a very good reason to offload while we can?
As I've said though, I don't think his recovery from injury is the main problem anyway. A lot of other things can affect a player, and I think something's clearly changed with Brayford.

If we'd be clearing around 770k by getting rid that is comfortably enough for two good L1 players. More if you include loans. It all depends how it's spent - fees/free transfers/loans. Ultimately if it'd make us stronger it's worth doing. And it would make us stronger, because based on Brayford's performances for the last 18 months, pre and post injury, we haven't got much to replace.
 
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Treeton Blade said:
Cheers Lydon,

I`ll be back in touch in May
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Enigmatic said:
Andy Giddings on Twitter this morning lending truth to Berty's rumours... says looking at 4 more in, one of them being a keeper. Confident of adding to the squad before Saturday (something imminent?). Also says Wilder is still in talks with the board re Adams money "There's no figure" but "I'm on at the board a lot". Keep pestering, Chris, we need every penny we can get.

EDIT: Here's a link to the interview:

https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p044b4r4/player?chromeless
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Now that is a good interview.
 
Enigmatic said:
Andy Giddings on Twitter this morning lending truth to Berty's rumours... says looking at 4 more in, one of them being a keeper. Confident of adding to the squad before Saturday (something imminent?). Also says Wilder is still in talks with the board re Adams money "There's no figure" but "I'm on at the board a lot". Keep pestering, Chris, we need every penny we can get.

EDIT: Here's a link to the interview:

https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p044b4r4/player?chromeless
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It's absolutely crazy if Wilder is using up his time and energy to be 'on at the board a lot'. All of this should've been sorted out weeks ago when they knew that Adams would probably be leaving. Thought we had some new type of board that dealt with these issues.
 
WincobankBlade said:
wouldn't necessarily disagree with that



but it's a bit to soon to agree with that yet
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**Disclaimer***

Of course the proof is how we do on the pitch, I know that.

But Fleck, Duffy, Clarke, O Connell, Hussey & Wilson are all good players at this level, and all in budget with a bit to spare.

That`s what I meant
 
bornablade said:
It's absolutely crazy if Wilder is using up his time and energy to be 'on at the board a lot'. All of this should've been sorted out weeks ago when they knew that Adams would probably be leaving. Thought we had some new type of board that dealt with these issues.
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he means the message board, der ;)
 
LYDON said:
The Desso seems to be getting some criticism. Why?
The season before it was laid, the state of the BDTBL pitch in certain areas was atrocious.
It had to be dug up, thrown away and a new one put down.

It wasn't an option of whether to spend money on players.
The money invested was NEVER part of the transfer budget.
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I told pommpey this last year and the money invested in the Desso doesnt affect the FFP rules but he ignored me and carried on his obsession of bashing McCabe
 
Treeton Blade said:
**Disclaimer***

Of course the proof is how we do on the pitch, I know that.

But Fleck, Duffy, Clarke, O Connell, Hussey & Wilson are all good players at this level, and all in budget with a bit to spare.

That`s what I meant
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that's fair enough, see what you mean. Far better than the absence of action last season, Wilder's been a breath of fresh air. I'm just trying not to get my hopes up too much yet.
 
LYDON said:
They're selling mine at a £1000 a go down by the clinic.
Imagine a generation of Lydon's running wild on the streets of Great Britain.
(Supplements the butter money)
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ah that sounds more like the Lydon we know. That desso pitch one had me worried, sounded way too mainstream ;)
 

Silent Blade said:
I told pommpey this last year and the money invested in the Desso doesnt affect the FFP rules but he ignored me and carried on his obsession of bashing McCabe
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If there wasn't investment on the pitch surface, then the club would be criticised for that.
Looking for criticism and negativity when there really isn't any to be found, that says more about the person searching than it does the club.
No personal digs at anyone, but maybe just once in a while, slip out of the negativity and put on the positivity.
Not just on here, but in life, in general.
 
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