Do we need to pay any transfer fees where we are at?

[pommpey]

We signed over 20 players in a season under Clough. Failing to replace? Clough wasted an absolute fortune on utter shite. Atkins signed 5 players in positions we didn't need. Burton spent about 15 quid and got promoted.

The issue has and always will be poor appointments of key personnel, not financial backing which has been plentiful.

How much (in cash, please) did Clough spend? What about Adkins?

pommpey

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

How much (in cash, please) did Clough spend? What about Adkins?

pommpey

A small fortune in salaries, a good bit on players that didn't make 50 appearances between them.

 

[Woodwardfan]

How much (in cash, please) did Clough spend? What about Adkins?

pommpey

Pommpey, there have been loads of threads about money, investment, accounts etc. over the months. You never take any notice. You prefer to say McCabe is lying.

 

[pommpey]

A small fortune in salaries, a good bit on players that didn't make 50 appearances between them.

Do you have the figures on how much he spent on transfer fees and wages?

If not, no one can say 'he spent a small fortune on players'. It's like winning a Ferrari in a competition and claimng you spent hundeds of thousands buying it.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Pommpey, there have been loads of threads about money, investment, accounts etc. over the months. You never take any notice. You prefer to say McCabe is lying.

Do you have the exact amount of cash which Clough spent on his signings? You have alluded to the fact that you know how much Wilder has to spend (but failed to let us know).

Do you know, or do you not? Each player. Cost and wages?

If not, your argument is worthless.

pommpey

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Do you have the figures on how much he spent on transfer fees and wages?

If not, no one can say 'he spent a small fortune on players'. It's like winning a Ferrari in a competition and claimng you spent hundeds of thousands buying it.

pommpey

The fees are immaterial, since we arrived in this division we have been in the top 3 for budget spent every season (salaries, fees, bonuses etc).

 

[Woodwardfan]

Do you have the exact amount of cash which Clough spent on his signings? You have alluded to the fact that you know how much Wilder has to spend (but failed to let us know).

Do you know, or do you not? Each player. Cost and wages?

If not, your argument is worthless.

pommpey

You are a bit wild with your comments Pommpey. I said "Wilder has a good budget and will spend it wisely, I'm sure of that", nothing more, nothing less. I'm happy that is true relative to League 1 and gaining promotion.

What bothers me more is the sheer number of new players we will need to integrate. I am not counting on promotion but I'm desperately hoping Wilder lays solid foundations to build a squad that will compete in the Championship before long. If it comes after promotion this coming season then that will be a bonus to my mind though I do hope we are ready to compete up there when we finally get there.

From your comments above it is clear you do not know much about the accounts, you talk of bits and bobs as though some figures are relevant and others not. There was actually an excellent thread about 2 months ago in which various posters contributed to estimated wage bill and broke it down to each player. I forget the name of the thread but the feeling was the wage bill for last season was around £6m. Hope that helps - anybody recall the name of the thread for Pommpey to study?

 

[sheffielder]

You are a bit wild with your comments Pommpey. I said "Wilder has a good budget and will spend it wisely, I'm sure of that", nothing more, nothing less. I'm happy that is true relative to League 1 and gaining promotion.

What bothers me more is the sheer number of new players we will need to integrate. I am not counting on promotion but I'm desperately hoping Wilder lays solid foundations to build a squad that will compete in the Championship before long. If it comes after promotion this coming season then that will be a bonus to my mind though I do hope we are ready to compete up there when we finally get there.

From your comments above it is clear you do not know much about the accounts, you talk of bits and bobs as though some figures are relevant and others not. There was actually an excellent thread about 2 months ago in which various posters contributed to estimated wage bill and broke it down to each player. I forget the name of the thread but the feeling was the wage bill for last season was around £6m. Hope that helps - anybody recall the name of the thread for Pommpey to study?

In the 2015 season Northampton brought in a total of 12 transfers and 9 loans.

The 12 transfers were all July or August

 

[pommpey]

Pommpey, it appears you are incapable of unifying behind a new manager while McCabe is still involved in running the club; our half owner is a barrier preventing you from backing the new manager and supporting his team.

And it seems you are incapable of recognising that were we to acquire the services of Sir Alex Ferguson as team manager, under McCabe we'd be fucked. Do you think I am lying? Square this. We are relegated from the Premier League under Warnock. He is sacked. We have consistently gone downhill ever since. The one consistency, Kevin McCabe. Explain please.

I had lunch with a Middlesbrough supporter yesterday and he says there are conviction supporters there who hold the same grudges against Gibson who has suffered abuse over the years like McCabe has with us. Boro found the right manager last season and the Pommpeys of Boro have shut up for a while but they'll be back as soon as the team are anywhere near the bottom 3 in the Prem. In some ways Boro are very similar to us with a lifelong multi-millionare fan as owner. Thay have turned around but with another couple of wrong managerial appointments they might just have joined us down in the depths because their parachute payments had been wasted too.

In 2015/16, Middlesborough spent almost £40m on players in, including Jordan Rhodes, Stuart Downing, David Nugent and some Spanish bloke. The previous year they shat a net £8m of positive transfer activity, this with a very comparable attendance average to us. So what point are you making? Fucking no idea. The point I make however is that Middlesborough, the team you cite, seem to be far more aligned toward ambitious upward movement than we do, possibly because the fucking Chairman gives the manager permission to go out and buy people like Jordan Rhodes (dangerous, end-product merchant), Stuart Downing (former England International wide man playmaker) and David Nugent (fucking nuisance to defences in all four divisions and has thumped in some good goals in the top level) IN amongst that are some pretty decent loaness and acquisitions, all at the cost of investment.

McCabe is going nowhere until the prince or a suitable new investor buys him out. In the meantime you will do all you can to demoralise members of this forum, the only little area you can hope to influence.

Members on this forum can do what they want. Many think I am a crock of shit, and they are entitled to that. They don't give much back however when I point at our continued failings and say that despite whichever manager we get and start shitting bullets about, we end up selling talent and buying shit and sacking manager for the flawed logic that the wind of goodwill and optimism will make crap players play like galacticos. Like you do.

You are absolutely right that whenever we have a new manager I make big efforts to unify behind him and look for positives. In my view finding the right man to turn us around is the only way out in the forseeable future. I'm looking for a Messiah and in my view that is much more likely to be a new manager, not a new owner.

Again, and because you are not listening I will repeat ... the manager, whoever he is, isn't the problem. We sell players early in the season, see the management buy gash nobodies as replacements, and (some of us) struggle to see why we are still in league division three. Once more. Not manager. McCabe. Clear?

Your last post is extreme and shows how your mind works and the depth of your convictions as a Blade. You are incapable of unifying along with me or anybody else who is looking to back Wilder these next few months because it does not suit your agenda. You think Xmas is a key time and I hope by then Wilder gives me a happy one rather than you. By then I sincerely hope you're left with nothing to say on here.

Again. Not manager. McCabe.

I invite you to live for the present, put the past to one side and support the club to win promotion. Dump the obsession and support the club as it is because that's all you've got. If we fail again and again you'll get your 'day in the car park' come what may.

So, we should disregard the strategies engaged by a board and Chairman which has seen this club descend from a battling Championship side who has brushed with chances of silverware and a place in the top flight and 'join the big push over the top to give Fritz a ruddy good bop on the nose'? I paraphrase George Santayana saying 'those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it'. We have learned fuck all from McCabe. He is avariciously, carefully and strategically safeguarding any investment he has ploughed into Sheffield United. He knows that what he owns is safe, but the club as a footballing interest can go and fuck itself, because the cash registers will ring every year with gate and season ticket receipts. So what if we stay in div three? So what if fans like me are disgruntled with the outcomes? He is rarely there to watch the collapse of the team to sides with a fraction of our capability? And that is the key point here WWF. Capability. You have serially banged the drum to each managerial appointment, without examining the toolkit each manager is bestowed with. Without answering key questions like 'why do we sell our best players and cover up the guts of the transaction?' 'Why do we acquire players who have zero credibility and pretend it will fix the problem?' 'Who is actually running the fucking shop?'

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

The fees are immaterial, since we arrived in this division we have been in the top 3 for budget spent every season (salaries, fees, bonuses etc).

The fees are significant. Are you saying acquiring an out of contract surplus to requirements is the same as a fee-attached transfer target?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

In the 2015 season Northampton brought in a total of 12 transfers and 9 loans.

The 12 transfers were all July or August

In Division Two.

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

And it seems you are incapable of recognising that were we to acquire the services of Sir Alex Ferguson as team manager, under McCabe we'd be fucked. Do you think I am lying? Square this. We are relegated from the Premier League under Warnock. He is sacked. We have consistently gone downhill ever since. The one consistency, Kevin McCabe. Explain please.



In 2015/16, Middlesborough spent almost £40m on players in, including Jordan Rhodes, Stuart Downing, David Nugent and some Spanish bloke. The previous year they shat a net £8m of positive transfer activity, this with a very comparable attendance average to us. So what point are you making? Fucking no idea. The point I make however is that Middlesborough, the team you cite, seem to be far more aligned toward ambitious upward movement than we do, possibly because the fucking Chairman gives the manager permission to go out and buy people like Jordan Rhodes (dangerous, end-product merchant), Stuart Downing (former England International wide man playmaker) and David Nugent (fucking nuisance to defences in all four divisions and has thumped in some good goals in the top level) IN amongst that are some pretty decent loaness and acquisitions, all at the cost of investment.



Members on this forum can do what they want. Many think I am a crock of shit, and they are entitled to that. They don't give much back however when I point at our continued failings and say that despite whichever manager we get and start shitting bullets about, we end up selling talent and buying shit and sacking manager for the flawed logic that the wind of goodwill and optimism will make crap players play like galacticos. Like you do.



Again, and because you are not listening I will repeat ... the manager, whoever he is, isn't the problem. We sell players early in the season, see the management buy gash nobodies as replacements, and (some of us) struggle to see why we are still in league division three. Once more. Not manager. McCabe. Clear?



Again. Not manager. McCabe.



So, we should disregard the strategies engaged by a board and Chairman which has seen this club descend from a battling Championship side who has brushed with chances of silverware and a place in the top flight and 'join the big push over the top to give Fritz a ruddy good bop on the nose'? I paraphrase George Santayana saying 'those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it'. We have learned fuck all from McCabe. He is avariciously, carefully and strategically safeguarding any investment he has ploughed into Sheffield United. He knows that what he owns is safe, but the club as a footballing interest can go and fuck itself, because the cash registers will ring every year with gate and season ticket receipts. So what if we stay in div three? So what if fans like me are disgruntled with the outcomes? He is rarely there to watch the collapse of the team to sides with a fraction of our capability? And that is the key point here WWF. Capability. You have serially banged the drum to each managerial appointment, without examining the toolkit each manager is bestowed with. Without answering key questions like 'why do we sell our best players and cover up the guts of the transaction?' 'Why do we acquire players who have zero credibility and pretend it will fix the problem?' 'Who is actually running the fucking shop?'

pommpey

Simple question Pommpey, can we count on you to help with Wilder's push towards unity across all sections of the club over the next few months?

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

The fees are significant. Are you saying acquiring an out of contract surplus to requirements is the same as a fee-attached transfer target?

pommpey

Our greatest expenditure is and has been for quite some time salaries, as it is for almost all football clubs. The massive bulk of our budget is swallowed by that, Coutts, Hammond, Freeman and others were on salaries that wouldn't be shabby in the Championship. We have spent more than anybody at this level, ever and apart from Brayford, little of it was transfer fees.

 

[pommpey]

You are a bit wild with your comments Pommpey. I said "Wilder has a good budget and will spend it wisely, I'm sure of that", nothing more, nothing less. I'm happy that is true relative to League 1 and gaining promotion.

So, 'has a good budget' indicates to me ... and possibly many others ... that you know how much. So, out with it. How much? If you don't know, say so. It is you who ranges 'assumptions' at me. Is this an assumption, what is it based upon? What facts do you have to support this claim?

What bothers me more is the sheer number of new players we will need to integrate. I am not counting on promotion but I'm desperately hoping Wilder lays solid foundations to build a squad that will compete in the Championship before long. If it comes after promotion this coming season then that will be a bonus to my mind though I do hope we are ready to compete up there when we finally get there.

My concern is that we do not have the budget to acquire the players. Period.

From your comments above it is clear you do not know much about the accounts, you talk of bits and bobs as though some figures are relevant and others not. There was actually an excellent thread about 2 months ago in which various posters contributed to estimated wage bill and broke it down to each player. I forget the name of the thread but the feeling was the wage bill for last season was around £6m. Hope that helps - anybody recall the name of the thread for Pommpey to study?

I am not that concerned at a vague spreadsheet which give allusions to a column which represents output on playing staff. What I want, from you ... is a cost of each player we acquired in fees and wages in the last two seasons. If you don't have that information, then why are you arguing? While you're at it, I want to know how much Wilder has to spend this season as well. If you don't know that, you can't say he has a good budget because you don't know hat he wants, what his targets are, and how much McCabe will allow him to spend.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Simple question Pommpey, can we count on you to help with Wilder's push towards unity across all sections of the club over the next few months?

What do you mean, 'help'? I support Sheffield United. My critique (once again) is ranged at the person who hires a manager, sells his best players and then fires him when his team plays shit and underachieves. As said (once again) we could have Pochettino in the dugout and he'd still be holding his P45 come May.

The manager, isn't the problem.

The chairman is. Keep reinforcing his belief by buying his shit what you will have him here forever.

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

What do you mean, 'help'? I support Sheffield United. My critique (once again) is ranged at the person who hires a manager, sells his best players and then fires him when his team plays shit and underachieves. As said (once again) we could have Pochettino in the dugout and he'd still be holding his P45 come May.

The manager, isn't the problem.

The chairman is. Keep reinforcing his belief by buying his shit what you will have him here forever.

pommpey

Pommpey, I rest my case with you for another 12 months. Try to 'support' the club in a different way though I beg you. At least give it and us a rest from all that rhetoric which hangs around you like a heavy millstone around your neck. I hope you are chanting " Well done McCabe " at Xmas like you suggested.

 

[pommpey]

Pommpey, I rest my case with you for another 12 months. Try to 'support' the club in a different way though I beg you. At least give it and us a rest from all that rhetoric which hangs around you like a heavy millstone around your neck. I hope you are chanting " Well done McCabe " at Xmas like you suggested.

WWF - I do support the club. Have done for fifty years and I don't need any consciousness realignment to realise my alliance and allegiance. But there is an elephant in the room and some are ignoring it, whilst cheering on the Emperor in his new kit.

I hope McCabe supports Wilder in his acquisitions (just like Gibson supported Karanka) but I doubt he will. He hasn't in the past and shows no intent on changing his ways.

pommpey

 

[spongebobblade]

WWF - I do support the club. Have done for fifty years and I don't need any consciousness realignment to realise my alliance and allegiance. But there is an elephant in the room and some are ignoring it, whilst cheering on the Emperor in his new kit.

I hope McCabe supports Wilder in his acquisitions (just like Gibson supported Karanka) but I doubt he will. He hasn't in the past and shows no intent on changing his ways.

pommpey

You can't quote the signings that Northampton made as "being in division two" and then using Middlesboro as your example of how a chairman financially backs his manager.
MacCabe has made some huge mistakes. Some he will admit to, others he won't. Like you I don't agree with certain methods he uses and his reasoning behind them (I.e "you can't stand in a players way"etc) but one things for sure. He may have picked the managers but they and the likes of Mal Brannigan in trusted positions have spunked large chunks of his money away..... More than enough to have got us promoted. Blame him for the appointments by all means but certain managers have wasted bucketfuls. Not everything can be laid at the chairmans door

 

[pommpey]

You can't quote the signings that Northampton made as "being in division two" and then using Middlesboro as your example of how a chairman financially backs his manager.
MacCabe has made some huge mistakes. Some he will admit to, others he won't. Like you I don't agree with certain methods he uses and his reasoning behind them (I.e "you can't stand in a players way"etc) but one things for sure. He may have picked the managers but they and the likes of Mal Brannigan in trusted positions have spunked large chunks of his money away..... More than enough to have got us promoted. Blame him for the appointments by all means but certain managers have wasted bucketfuls. Not everything can be laid at the chairmans door

I'm not using Middlesborough as an example. WWF is using them as a comparator and I am saying that comparison is groundless, because of those reasons. Had Clough et al bought Nugent/Rhodes etc I'd be pretty happy and pretty confident that at times pre-Sharp when we needed a bloke up top to do the job, they would be the ones.

If Clough and Brannighan spunked huge chunks of his money away, then how much? If I had a qualified, quantified figure I'd appreciate it. Clough went for a reason, did he not. That's another one of Sheffield United's great mysteries that possibly has its basis in the shit he was allowed to buy on next to fuck all money with empty promises for the next season. I blame the chairman for the appointments but I also blame him for not providing them with credible investment and the ability to buy decent players (of the likes of Nugent, for example) who will do a fuck's bucket better than duffers like Higdon.

What happens out on the pitch is the managers problem. Everything else is the chairman and the board.

pommpey

 

[sheffielder]

In Division Two.

pommpey

You're quoting Middlesbrough in the championship to Woodward. Explain the difference please, and don't you think mine is a much more comparable situation. Listen look think type.

 

[spongebobblade]

I'm not using Middlesborough as an example. WWF is using them as a comparator and I am saying that comparison is groundless, because of those reasons. Had Clough et al bought Nugent/Rhodes etc I'd be pretty happy and pretty confident that at times pre-Sharp when we needed a bloke up top to do the job, they would be the ones.

If Clough and Brannighan spunked huge chunks of his money away, then how much? If I had a qualified, quantified figure I'd appreciate it. Clough went for a reason, did he not. That's another one of Sheffield United's great mysteries that possibly has its basis in the shit he was allowed to buy on next to fuck all money with empty promises for the next season. I blame the chairman for the appointments but I also blame him for not providing them with credible investment and the ability to buy decent players (of the likes of Nugent, for example) who will do a fuck's bucket better than duffers like Higdon.

What happens out on the pitch is the managers problem. Everything else is the chairman and the board.

pommpey

Do you really think the likes of Higdon, Coutts, Butler, Hammond, Sammon etc come cheap? It's not just down to transfer fees but wages too.
The wages paid to these wasters and the likes of Brayford and Sharp are astonishing compared to our current position
Yes we get good gates but those alone aren't enough to fund the current levels of spending. He is more guilty of taking his eye off the ball and trusting others too much with what has always been in this division, a healthy budget

 

[spongebobblade]

How much (in cash, please) did Clough spend? What about Adkins?

pommpey

Do you really expect people to quote exact figures? Why?

 

[pommpey]

You're quoting Middlesbrough in the championship to Woodward. Explain the difference please, and don't you think mine is a much more comparable situation. Listen look think type.

I am refuting WWFs comparison to Sheffield United. I am not 'quoting' anything, simply stating facts.

Northampton's comparison is totally out of context.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Do you really expect people to quote exact figures? Why?

Because people suggest they know how much Clough spent and how much Wilder has to spend.

What is wrong with asking 'how much', or do we just grab a figure out of mid air or summat just to reinforce the argument?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Do you really think the likes of Higdon, Coutts, Butler, Hammond, Sammon etc come cheap? It's not just down to transfer fees but wages too.

Okay. How much then? It isn't a difficult answer to give ... providing you know how much. You say Higdon wasn't cheap ... what do you call cheap? What about the others?

The wages paid to these wasters and the likes of Brayford and Sharp are astonishing compared to our current position

How much are they on then?

Yes we get good gates but those alone aren't enough to fund the current levels of spending. He is more guilty of taking his eye off the ball and trusting others too much with what has always been in this division, a healthy budget

So, question (once again) is:

What is this 'healthy budget'? Either you know, or you don't and you are making assumptions.

pommpey

 

[8lade]

Maybe we should split the forum into speculation and known fact.
I believe the speculation will have 90 % of the traffic and the fact will have 90% bull.

 

[pommpey]

Maybe we should split the forum into speculation and known fact.
I believe the speculation will have 90 % of the traffic and the fact will have 90% bull.

That's a FACT.

pommpey

 

[Bladesway]

Pommpey, I rest my case with you for another 12 months. Try to 'support' the club in a different way though I beg you. At least give it and us a rest from all that rhetoric which hangs around you like a heavy millstone around your neck. I hope you are chanting " Well done McCabe " at Xmas like you suggested.

Why should he support a different way? I'd be pleased if you gave it a rest from all your pro McCabe whittering but you won't. I wish you would have stopped panning Clough as you did but you keep on and on. I don't agree with everything Pommpey says but when it comes to McCabe and not learning from our history he has it bang on for me.

Support how you want and stop telling people how they should think.

 

[spongebobblade]

Okay. How much then? It isn't a difficult answer to give ... providing you know how much. You say Higdon wasn't cheap ... what do you call cheap? What about the others?





How much are they on then?



So, question (once again) is:

What is this 'healthy budget'? Either you know, or you don't and you are making assumptions.

pommpey

A healthy budget for league one compared to other clubs. The same applies to the players mentioned. They were all on well above average league one pay. I don't know the exact figures but would you like to disagree?
Exact sums don't alter the point we have paid huge amounts out in wages far outstripping almost all our league one rivals yet you claim MacCabe has spent fuck all
FACT

 

[Top Cat]

So you don't think that pommmmpeys (added some more m's just to be cool) raison d'etre is to tell everyone how to support The Blades?

He preaches a rather psychotic hatred of Kevin McCabe and has no understanding of internet defamation law as it stands.

And his "signature" really gets on my walters.

Top Cat