Do we need to pay any transfer fees where we are at?

[Revolution]

We debated the relative merits of Steve Gibson vs McCabe many years ago on this board - probably about 2009 - when someone suggested that we had been equally as successful as Middlesbrough in the previous 20 years or so.

That comparison was daft then, and even dafter now.

Boro are nothing like us, and Gibson isn't much like McCabe. The big difference between them, I have always thought, is that Gibson's focus historically has been first and foremost on the team. McCabe's has been everywhere except the team.

 

[pommpey]

So you don't think that pommmmpeys (added some more m's just to be cool) raison d'etre is to tell everyone how to support The Blades?

He preaches a rather psychotic hatred of Kevin McCabe and has no understanding of internet defamation law as it stands.

And his "signature" really gets on my walters.

Top Cat

I'm really warmed by the fact that my name and sig boils your piss. You speak of 'psychotic' yet digital iconography and small items of inconsequential identification almost send you over the edge. Maybe you need help, Topp Catt.

The hatred you cite again is all of nothing. I simply want McCabe to account for our failings during his reign or make some moves toward cutting his losses and selling the club, preferably to someone who cares more about the football side of things and less about installing a Rolls Royce playing surface on which eleven under achievers have flattered to deceive. All we get from him are excuses, sackings and blame shifting, yet all through our downfall, he has remained in office. He is clearly no good for Sheffield United, whatever manager is in the dugout. In maths terms (and I know you struggle with this) it is all about 'common denominators' and I have been on about this for ages. You may have missed this mind as you are more concerned with stuff like extra "m's" in people's signatures while you play with your Matchbox.

I really hope this makes my position clear. I am out of crayons, so you'll have to do with this internet thing to get the message.

By the way, what is this 'internet defamation law' of which you speak?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

A healthy budget for league one compared to other clubs. The same applies to the players mentioned. They were all on well above average league one pay. I don't know the exact figures but would you like to disagree?
Exact sums don't alter the point we have paid huge amounts out in wages far outstripping almost all our league one rivals yet you claim MacCabe has spent fuck all
FACT

You are saying one thing, but don't know the details about it.

Okay. We sold Neil Collins a bit back to a yank club. Not sure how much for, but it was fucking STACKS. In fact, it doesn't matter how much for. Don't ask. It was money. There. Healthy, crisp, foldable money. Ooooh, yeah!

Okay. Did we sell him for £10m, or ten quid? Did we sell him at all or just give him away? What is the measure of his worth, both to the buying club and to us? How much of that money (if at all) is redistributed toward playing staff improvement? What are our targets?

Now do you see why exact figures might be significant?

Your 'don't ask, just assume we have a budget' plays into McCabe's hands. Especially when he has cynically dropped the ST price by 10% and effectively burned £400k by doing so.

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

Why should he support a different way? I'd be pleased if you gave it a rest from all your pro McCabe whittering but you won't. I wish you would have stopped panning Clough as you did but you keep on and on. I don't agree with everything Pommpey says but when it comes to McCabe and not learning from our history he has it bang on for me.

Support how you want and stop telling people how they should think.

I communicate with Pommpey about once a year as he has pointed out.

I think that's fair in relation to how many times a year his posts offend my common sense and decency about our beleaguered half owner who has tried and failed, but nevertheless lost a huge amount of money along the way trying. Once a year comments on the continuous "preaching of a psychotic hatred" and defamation of a Blade who tried to make a difference and is still there investing huge amounts of cash each year is maybe not enough.

As you well know I don't defend McCabe's record since 2009, nobody does. As regards "learning from history", well McCabe does continue to appoint managers, backs them with cash and let's them manage the football side; not sure what else he should do apart from appoint a manager who's up to it. Let's hope Wilder is the man.

As regards Clough, well the whole forum now realises how bad his signings were and are still part of our problems of course. When all his unwanted players have departed I'm sure we'll all try to put it all out of our minds but for now it's still a current problem.

 

[Bladesway]

So you don't think that pommmmpeys (added some more m's just to be cool) raison d'etre is to tell everyone how to support The Blades?

He preaches a rather psychotic hatred of Kevin McCabe and has no understanding of internet defamation law as it stands.

And his "signature" really gets on my walters.

Top Cat

No, I don't. I think he just says what he thinks like most of us. It's an opinion on a forum when all is said and done. I think his opinion on McCabe is actually one of the more accurate. Better than some who think we should get on our knees and just be thankful we have him. Read what he puts and between the expletives the message is pretty straight forward. One man has resided over this car crash and continues to. McCabe keeps making the same mistakes but others take the shit for it. That's what I get anyhow.

As for his style and sig. What of it? If too many m's in a sig and an acidic wit are too much for you may I suggest mumsnet or the like. Perhaps more in keeping with your sensitive side.

 

[Revolution]

As you well know I don't defend McCabe's record since 2009, nobody does. As regards "learning from history", well McCabe does continue to appoint managers, backs them with cash and let's them manage the football side; not sure what else he should do apart from appoint a manager who's up to it

Not sell our best players.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Not sell our best players.

Fact of life not confined to United I'm afraid. Be good if Vardy breaks the mold but that's a different decision on his wages. Our lads quadruple their wages sometimes, maybe more.

Again, topic done to death time and again.

 

[Revolution]

Fact of life not confined to United I'm afraid. Be good if Vardy breaks the mold but that's a different decision on his wages. Our lads quadruple their wages sometimes, maybe more.

Again, topic done to death time and again.

I know its been done to death. That's because McCabe keeps doing it, with disastrous results.

 

[spongebobblade]

You are saying one thing, but don't know the details about it.

Says the man who claims MacCabe has spent fuck all
As for your reference to Collins, well you really are sounding silly now in your crusade to put all blame at MacCabes door

 

[pommpey]

I communicate with Pommpey about once a year as he has pointed out.

Because during the summer, you are all bone-hard about our new schmuck, and then come the winter, you are usually in quiet realisation your 'optimism' is blown out of your arsehole as we fail to deliver with less able players we started the season with.

I think that's fair in relation to how many times a year his posts offend my common sense and decency about our beleaguered half owner who has tried and failed, but nevertheless lost a huge amount of money along the way trying. Once a year comments on the continuous "preaching of a psychotic hatred" and defamation of a Blade who tried to make a difference and is still there investing huge amounts of cash each year is maybe not enough.

I don't care much about your 'common sense and decency WWF'. What I care about is my football team being automatically promoted on the basis of raw talent on the pitch and well earned victories. And again, when mentioning money, it helps to qualify your statement by mentioning amounts, rather than assumptions. Just because McCabe says he has spent 'x', doesn't mean he has lost 'x'. And, 'psychotic hatred'? Really? An MP is butchered in her home town by a clearly deranged madman doing her constituency work and I am badmouthing our incompetent chairman for a series of failed years running a football club. Perspective.

As you well know I don't defend McCabe's record since 2009, nobody does. As regards "learning from history", well McCabe does continue to appoint managers, backs them with cash and let's them manage the football side; not sure what else he should do apart from appoint a manager who's up to it. Let's hope Wilder is the man.

'Cash' again. Unless you know the amounts (and you don't), why use it as a quantifier? McCabe could have given Clough 50 quid, 50 grand or 50 million. We'll never know. I'm pretty sure that if he had the cash, he wouldn't have bought the shit he did (even if he actually 'bought' them, because we don't know if he did). Everything is occluded from the eyes of the supporting fanbase, and that fanbase generally doesn't ask many probing questions. Yet.

As regards Clough, well the whole forum now realises how bad his signings were and are still part of our problems of course. When all his unwanted players have departed I'm sure we'll all try to put it all out of our minds but for now it's still a current problem.

So, you are blaming Clough as well now? When will all of these players go and you can switch targets to Adkins, then?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Says the man who claims MacCabe has spent fuck all
As for your reference to Collins, well you really are sounding silly now in your crusade to put all blame at MacCabes door

Says the man who claims McCabe has spent fuck loads. You don't know if he has, or if he hasn't and worse still, on what has he spent it? Pitch? Paying off sacked managers? You can't tell me he's spent it on players, surely?

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

McCabe is embarrassed about the club's position. He's said he'll leave given a suitable offer. Nobody defends his record, not even him.

We are stuck where we are until our fortunes change. If KM was refusing a queue of potential investors then it would be different but he's not , so let's look forward and hope things get better. That's the only chance we've got.

It's a time to back another new manager, he's all we've got. It's not all about what went wrong in 2009 or even last season, that's history. Wilder has made a good start so far.

 

[spongebobblade]

Says the man who claims McCabe has spent fuck loads. You don't know if he has, or if he hasn't and worse still, on what has he spent it? Pitch? Paying off sacked managers? You can't tell me he's spent it on players, surely?

pommpey

It's hard to have a reasonable debate with someone who doesn't open there eyes and has already made there mind up.
For that reason I'm out

 

[The Crab]

thought we had "game changing investment"

The game has changed, these days we are being outbid by Peterborough United.

 

[The Crab]

Did we ever have it?

We swapped it for a new Fax Machine. Trouble was when Kev got it home it turned out to be a George Foreman grill which to be fair, is shit for sending faxes (believe me I've tried).

 

[Deaneandagana]

Great debate, but for me the FACTS are such that Chairman Kev has messed up badly on all fronts - continually sacking managers after 12 months, boardroom upheavals & senior management re-organisations are typical of a badly run business.

 

[Esablade]

McCabe is embarrassed about the club's position. He's said he'll leave given a suitable offer. Nobody defends his record, not even him.

We are stuck where we are until our fortunes change. If KM was refusing a queue of potential investors then it would be different but he's not , so let's look forward and hope things get better. That's the only chance we've got.

It's a time to back another new manager, he's all we've got. It's not all about what went wrong in 2009 or even last season, that's history. Wilder has made a good start so far.

Erm...wasn't the Prince's a suitable offer?
Why didn't he leave back then?

 

[carthesis]

What have we got?

Brayford, Hussey.

...


On the transfer list as yet:

Defence: K.Wallace, Freeman.


...


Wilder has stated that 3 central defenders are his priority, quite right, look above!! plus full back cover IMO!

Trimmed for brevity.

Personally, I'd keep Freeman and Wallace (unless Freeman is on daft money), as both are more than adequate as providing full-back cover, and both are good enough going forward they could provide winger cover in a pinch. Wallace is also alright at CB if we need a 3rd on the pitch to close a game out or whatever.

Obviously Tufty might not see things quite the same way as me - and that's his prerogative as SUFC Manager - but I'd be tempted to keep them both and just use the transfer listing as a kick up the arse. Especially Wallace, who didn't put a single foot wrong as far as I recall.

 

[pommpey]

McCabe is embarrassed about the club's position. He's said he'll leave given a suitable offer. Nobody defends his record, not even him.

Hmm. He doesn't seem too retrospective about his failings to me. He seems to want to heap the blame on the managers he has sacked and to conveniently dust over the sales of some pretty decent players, which has hobbled our ambitions.

We are stuck where we are until our fortunes change. If KM was refusing a queue of potential investors then it would be different but he's not , so let's look forward and hope things get better. That's the only chance we've got.

Okay. Focus needs to be our past failings and how to avoid them in future. What will be your level of support if, by the end of August, Done and Brayford have pissed off to Burton for an 'undisclosed'? Please don't come back at me with 'That'll never happen.' It has already and we have suffered for it. I wanna hear McCabe say "We are not a selling club" and mean it by not selling any of the three remaining players who will hopefully be in our starting lineup come the first day and still there next May when we are promoted.

It's a time to back another new manager, he's all we've got. It's not all about what went wrong in 2009 or even last season, that's history. Wilder has made a good start so far.

Wilder has made a good start. Okay. He's booted out who we would all expect to be out and signed two players. Forgive my lack of excitement.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

It's hard to have a reasonable debate with someone who doesn't open there eyes and has already made there mind up.
For that reason I'm out

Hang on. 'Already made their (sp) mind up?' So at which point are you supposed to make your mind up, here? Was it:

1. Hulse gets injured
2. Crash out of the Premier League - lets jettison some players
3. Sack Warnock (hesabladeohhesablade)
4. Appoint Robson - what Tevez money?
5. Incongruous slide down the Championship
6. Appointing/sacking of Blackwell (for what reason?)
7. Speed ... oh, see you later Gary, hello Adams (hesabladeohhesablade)
8. Holy fuck, Adams is SHIT
9. Relegated - ditch more players
10. Agent Wilson, Evans, overtaken by Wednesday
11. Ditch more players ... and the manager (why?)
12. David fucking Weir and Game Changing Investments
13. Ditch David fucking Weir and no Game Changing Investments
14. Ditch more players, loan a full back and Nigel Clough
15. Sign gash players, cup runs and ditch players and the manager
16. Another manager and a new pitch. Ditch remaining good player
17. Gash season, sack manager, appoint another (hesabladeohhesablade)

Where, exactly do we become slightly disgruntled with that, please? I mean, somewhere along there I ahve 'already made my mind up' haven't I? Was it 4 ... 9 ... or even 13? Was it Simonsen's penalty, the sale of Blackman or the two goals Swindon scored at home in the playoffs? Was it the fax machine or the failure to sign Connor Coady?

Open your eyes, spongebob.

pommpey

 

[spongebobblade]

Hang on. 'Already made their (sp) mind up?' So at which point are you supposed to make your mind up, here? Was it:

1. Hulse gets injured
2. Crash out of the Premier League - lets jettison some players
3. Sack Warnock
4. Appoint Robson - what Tevez money?
5. Incongruous slide down the Championship
6. Appointing/sacking of Blackwell (for what reason?)
7. Speed ... oh, see you later Gary, hello Adams (hesabladeohhesablade)
8. Holy fuck, Adams is SHIT
9. Relegated - ditch more players
10. Agent Wilson, Evans, overtaken by Wednesday
11. Ditch more players ... and the manager (why?)
12. David fucking Weir and Game Changing Investments
13. Ditch David fucking Weir and no Game Changing Investments
14. Ditch more players, loan a full back and Nigel Clough
15. Sign gash players, cup runs and ditch players and the manager
16. Another manager and a new pitch. Ditch remaining good player
17. Gash season, sack manager, appoint another.

Where, exactly do we become slightly disgruntled with that, please? I mean, somewhere along there I ahve 'already made my mind up' haven't I? Was it 4 ... 9 ... or even 13? Was it Simonsen's penalty, the sale of Blackman or the two goals Swindon scored at home in the playoffs? Was it the fax machine or the failure to sign Connor Coady?

Open your eyes, spongebob.

pommpey

I rest my case

 

[pommpey]

I rest my case

Obtuse response to a pretty straightforward statement.

Ta-ra. Don't forget to drop in for a cuppa sometime.

pommpey

 

[BushBlade]

Obtuse response to a pretty straightforward statement.

Ta-ra. Don't forget to drop in for a cuppa sometime.

pommpey

I think he's referring to your insistence that KM hasn't backed the club financially. The accounts show that the club has made a loss, year on year, since we got relegated from the PL. That shortfall has been funded by KM and, more recently, Princey.
Whilst I wouldn't disagree that KM has made a massive fuck up running the club and seems no nearer to working out what is needed to sort us out than he was ten years ago I just don't believe your assertion that he is or has benefitted financially from our woes or that he hasn't backed managers - in the financial sense.

 

[metalblade]

I would say the largest amount invested by McCabe has been to pay up sacked managers, a Desso pitch and the £400k wiped out by the 10% reduction in season ticket prices. Most of that will be covered by the two cup semi finals a trip to Old Trafford and the annual sales of our best players. I find it astounding we still have fans that defend his actions over the last ten years or so.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Erm...wasn't the Prince's a suitable offer?
Why didn't he leave back then?

What do you mean, should have given it all away, not just half?

 

[Woodwardfan]

I would say the largest amount invested by McCabe has been to pay up sacked managers, a Desso pitch and the £400k wiped out by the 10% reduction in season ticket prices. Most of that will be covered by the two cup semi finals a trip to Old Trafford and the annual sales of our best players. I find it astounding we still have fans that defend his actions over the last ten years or so.

You are so so wrong about the money it's almost ridiculous.

Nobody I'm aware of defends KM's record over the last 7 years. Why say it?

 

[metalblade]

You are so so wrong about the money it's almost ridiculous.

Nobody I'm aware of defends KM's record over the last 7 years. Why say it?

OK Woody, Kev is just unkucky I guess

 

[Esablade]

What do you mean, should have given it all away, not just half?

Well..what's his valuation?
do you think he wanted £20 million of investment if he 'sold half' for £10?

 

[pommpey]

I think he's referring to your insistence that KM hasn't backed the club financially. The accounts show that the club has made a loss, year on year, since we got relegated from the PL. That shortfall has been funded by KM and, more recently, Princey.
Whilst I wouldn't disagree that KM has made a massive fuck up running the club and seems no nearer to working out what is needed to sort us out than he was ten years ago I just don't believe your assertion that he is or has benefitted financially from our woes or that he hasn't backed managers - in the financial sense.

Not saying, and never have said, he is creaming off the club. Let me make that clear.

I am saying he has misappropriated funds within the club for say, the Desso, when really we could have done with a couple of centre backs. I am saying he has possibly looked at Clough's list of targets and said "Nope, nope, nope, forget it, not him, not him either ... " and Clough has gone "Fuck you. I am out of here (by mutual consent, of course). Thanks for the payoff." But, y'know. He's the chairman, I am just some schmuck on a messageboard. He's not accountable to me, nor any of the supporters.

Even when 16000 of them part with £300 or so for season tickets.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

You are so so wrong about the money it's almost ridiculous.

You sound like you know the figures, but despite us asking, you come up with nowt but bubbles.

pommpey