The unemployed and unemployable

[Barney]

Aaaaand you would have allowed the same vernacular to be used against the previous manager.

No, that's something you've made up.

 

[Tyler Durden]

No, that's something you've made up.

Nope, just very perceptive.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

My dad was a pro footballer. He played in the 60's and 70's I know it's a long time ago but he always said fans didnt know how hard being a footballer was. You couldn't win you either weren't trying hard enough or trying too hard. You had a crap game not that the full back marking you had a blinder. He broke his leg playing (ultimately finished his career) he still had to support me and my mum. He finished up with knackered hips and knees and riddled with arthritis so I always have a bit of sympathy for injured players. At the end off the day nobody goes onto the pitch and try's to get injured. On to a it of a lighter note I asked him who was the best player who he ever played with or against I thought he would say George best or Denis law. He always said it was Alan Woodward beyond any doubt the most underrated player of his era.

Do we know your dad? As a watcher in the 70s I might have seen him play. If he dropped down into non-league after his pro career finished I might have played against him or even with him.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It's interesting that you now argue that it's nothing more that the players not being good enough. It's a point I argued all last season, and your continual line was that it was the managers fault.

We could have still made the playoffs on the penultimate game. Not so bad, surely, given that the players are so far short of what's required?

UTB

That's the line that falls between those who think it's the managers job to sign the right players and get the most out of them, those who think the players can do it all themselves and then in S2 those who blame McCabe whatever bad happens.

I'm in the group who believe the consecutive managers have had the funds and the players to get the job done.

Here is the crux of the various different opinions on this thread: those who blame the players personally and collectively responsible have strong words to say about those leaving the club. Then there is such as Bladesway who chips in with a pot at McCabe, fair enough but he doesn't' f' and 'blind' about him. Bladesway and I have had that debate for years about where the blame lies.

I think Adkins failed miserably last season and am relieved to see him depart. I would never call him disgusting names though.

As one of my best posts on here has not gained much attention, I'll mention again Albrighton who really should have been kept on by Villa. If he had he would have been villified (pun) by the Villa fans along with all the other players and his stock would be rock bottom. He moved free to Leicester and is a Premier League Champion, fully fledged, one of the main men of the season. He's the same bloke in a different environment. He's not a 'wage thief' , lazy bla bla bla, like Richards, Lescott et al have been labelled, he's a good player with the right attitude.

 

[Woodwardfan]

My dad was a pro footballer. He played in the 60's and 70's I know it's a long time ago but he always said fans didnt know how hard being a footballer was. You couldn't win you either weren't trying hard enough or trying too hard. You had a crap game not that the full back marking you had a blinder. He broke his leg playing (ultimately finished his career) he still had to support me and my mum. He finished up with knackered hips and knees and riddled with arthritis so I always have a bit of sympathy for injured players. At the end off the day nobody goes onto the pitch and try's to get injured. On to a it of a lighter note I asked him who was the best player who he ever played with or against I thought he would say George best or Denis law. He always said it was Alan Woodward beyond any doubt the most underrated player of his era.

Your Dad knew his stuff Bugboy. Great post and a real insight, thanks.

 

[alcoblade]

That's the line that falls between those who think it's the managers job to sign the right players and get the most out of them, those who think the players can do it all themselves and then in S2 those who blame McCabe whatever bad happens.

I'm in the group who believe the consecutive managers have had the funds and the players to get the job done.

Here is the crux of the various different opinions on this thread: those who blame the players personally and collectively responsible have strong words to say about those leaving the club. Then there is such as Bladesway who chips in with a pot at McCabe, fair enough but he doesn't' f' and 'blind' about him. Bladesway and I have had that debate for years about where the blame lies.

I think Adkins failed miserably last season and am relieved to see him depart. I would never call him disgusting names though.

As one of my best posts on here has not gained much attention, I'll mention again Albrighton who really should have been kept on by Villa. If he had he would have been villified (pun) by the Villa fans along with all the other players and his stock would be rock bottom. He moved free to Leicester and is a Premier League Champion, fully fledged, one of the main men of the season. He's the same bloke in a different environment. He's not a 'wage thief' , lazy bla bla bla, like Richards, Lescott et al have been labelled, he's a good player with the right attitude.

I'm just not sure why you'd care so much about the name calling. Between" us" and "them", there's only one group who's profited handsomely from the marriage. And it's the group who are rich, and won't now be giving Sheffield United FC the tiniest of thoughts, let alone worrying about words tucked away in some internet firum.

UTB

 

[Woodwardfan]

I'm just not sure why you'd care so much about the name calling. Between" us" and "them", there's only one group who's profited handsomely from the marriage. And it's the group who are rich, and won't now be giving Sheffield United FC the tiniest of thoughts, let alone worrying about words tucked away in some internet firum.

UTB

I think it's the hate that perturbs me and I feel as though this 'us and them' attitude is not helping the club when the chips are down. We are a club and need to work together. I know such loose, vulgar words do not mean the particular posters are the first to boo the players on bad days, but the disassociation from the players, maybe because of salaries, maybe envy, whatever, creates this climate and does not help SUFC at all. Wilder will do well to unite the club which Adkins made his big theme a year ago after Clough was thought to have divided it.

Threads like this one work against the club IMO.

 

[Esablade]

Nope, just very perceptive.

...but...but..you just 'don't understand'...

 

[Tyler Durden]

I think it's the hate that perturbs me and I feel as though this 'us and them' attitude is not helping the club when the chips are down. We are a club and need to work together. I know such loose, vulgar words do not mean the particular posters are the first to boo the players on bad days, but the disassociation from the players, maybe because of salaries, maybe envy, whatever, creates this climate and does not help SUFC at all. Wilder will do well to unite the club which Adkins made his big theme a year ago after Clough was thought to have divided it.

Threads like this one work against the club IMO.

Threads like this don't get seen by the club. And I wish they did. I want these players to know that they are a malignancy on this club and need to be cut out as such.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It's interesting that you now argue that it's nothing more that the players not being good enough. It's a point I argued all last season, and your continual line was that it was the managers fault.

We could have still made the playoffs on the penultimate game. Not so bad, surely, given that the players are so far short of what's required?

UTB

Reaching a play off spot in the 3rd division is a fail so a non argument either way.

 

[blade too long]

Reaching a play off spot in the 3rd division is a fail so a non argument either way.

tell barnsley fans that tomorrow morning

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Wouldn't call it reverance Tyler, but not hate.

In football there are very few winners each season. Loads of players all doing their best, some really fortunate to be in the right place at the right time and some vice-versa.

Just because a bloke happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time doesn't mean he warrants such treatment by his former supporters of his old team.

I wonder whether just a couple of years ago you all would have called Morgan, Huth, Vardy, Drinkwater, Albrighton, Simpson, King et al. lazy b*******s, lazy C***s, wage thiefs and heartless unprofessionals, shit on your shoe. - just because they were playing in a different environment? Think about it you Blades.

N.B. No name calling, just reasonable debate.

Weren't they celebrating promotion to the PL a couple of years ago> Well, most of them anyway,

 

[Cyprus Blade]

Wilder will do well to unite the club which Adkins made his big theme a year ago after Clough was thought to have divided it.

For me both Clough and Adkins failed - managerially, tactically and in terms of squad (ability, size and balance). Both failed significantly in the transfer market and both had funds available (Clough moreso). Clough bought the majority of the squad, Adkins added to them. Adkins had a more effective strategy for reducing the squad size which Clough had bloated. They had very different techniques for managing the players (One appeared to bully and intimidate players - I have in mind your your comments at the time in respect of Garner- the other to mollicoddle). Neither approach worked. The relative constant was the squad - its quality and its apparent declining application.

It's as plain as day that the manager's had a part to play. Yes you could argue we never saw what Adkins could achieve because he was largely playing with Clough's team (minus the better players in it - Coady, Maguire and Murphy - none brought in by Clough), though this could be counterbalanced by looking at what Clough achieved with Weir's squad in his first season. In the end they both went out of the door leaving the club worse off than when they came in.

Its equally plain that the squad was deficient in key areas compared with the automatically promoted teams - both in terms of ability and performance. Its all too easy to put the blame the managers for what has been termed pretty much everywhere as the "underperformance" of the club. But it is also about the players themselves. They are responsible adults and professionals (insofar as they are paid footballers) who one would hope would have the professional pride to play to the limit of their respective abilities.

The annoying thing is that many of them didn't act professionally (on and off the pitch), appeared to see SUFC as just another club and a nice earner and it didn't seem to offend their professional pride or hurt when they failed professionally against the Yeovil's, Crewe's etc of this world. And its that I find unforgivable and what I suspect gives rise to the sentiment "Why should I give a toss about them, when they didn't give a toss about us". Its a question I find hard to answer.

 

[alcoblade]

Reaching a play off spot in the 3rd division is a fail so a non argument either way.

If the players aren't good enough, and the new manager accepts they aren't, then you can't be sure the manager is at fault.

If wilder can't shift those on the list, he could not sign another player and still have the " highest budget in league one " tag around his neck.

Using this blunt, transparent tag, half of the eejits on here will be blaming him by Chrustmas.

UTB

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

tell barnsley fans that tomorrow morning

Quite good for Barnsley and well done but they are hardly SUFC.

 

[blade too long]

Quite good for Barnsley and well done but they are hardly SUFC.

they could be a league higher tommorow
shame about wednesday though
he he he he he he he he ha ha ha ha