Limited resources / budget

[Bladezz]

When the vat is stripped out its down to £6.5million and that's without adjusting for kids season tickets which are just over £2 quid a game.

But let's not let factual detail spoil things.

You've worked your figures out on just income. There are non footballing staff to pay / running of the ground / stewards / training ground etc.

If you look at the accounts it's much clearer there.

The way to get out of this league is investment. Unfortunately a lot of our monies that have been invested have been wasted.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You've worked your figures out on just income. There are non footballing staff to pay / running of the ground / stewards / training ground etc.

If you look at the accounts it's much clearer there.

The way to get out of this league is investment. Unfortunately a lot of our monies that have been invested have been wasted.

They aren't my figures they are based on the figures used by another poster and relate to his calculation of income. Nothing else. My repky says nothing about wages profits or whatever so I don't understand your point.

I have actually seen the accounts.

 

[Ricky]

Reduced budget, no problem. Cutting the wage bill from £8m to £3.5m as suggested on here, big problem. Despite being one of the biggest wage bills in the division, that would leave nowhere near enough room for manoeuvre considering the amount of signings we need, due to the bloated squad of unmovable overpaid shite we've inexplicably accumulated. This is where we feel the consequences of Clough and the clueless fuckers who let him run amok.

Hopefully though the wage bill will be at least £4.5m with £1m+ available for transfer fees - which I think will be necessary because I expect us to needlessly miss out on most of the better free agents and refuse to use the loan market in any way - because obviously you've only got to look at Sammond to see that all loans are terrible. A £4.5m to £5m wage bill would still be a big reduction but it's the right sort of amount for us in this division and also the minimum I'd expect.

 

[Coily]

We keep hearing from the local media, McCabe and also Wilder about having to work within a limited budget next year and that we have limited resources.

I really don't understand how this is the case if comparing us with the rest of the division. Surely when talking about budgets or resources its relative to the league you are in.

I'm not suggesting we go out and spend millions, but surely we should be in the top 3 budgets in this division next year (with MK Dons and maybe Charlton ahead of us).

So why are we being fed the "working with a limited budget" line all of a sudden.

Without this turning into a McCabe bashing thread - does anyone out there have some good, sensible insight into how we could possibly have a low/average budget when compared to the rest of the division?

The talk on budgets thus far has been relative to SUFC only, losing millions a year isn't sustainable, particularly when the results have been so tragi-comically bad. As far as I have read - and do forward details if they are available - no one at SUFC has said that we'll have a low/average budget when compared to the rest of the division.

The management have tried to throw money at it, and it didn't work, so now we have CW in who has a history of success on lower budgets. But make no mistake, our budget will be top 6 without doubt.

Ever considered that we might be sandbagging me old China....

We're hardly gonna say "wilder given 5 million war chest". Cause that would raise the asking prices wouldn't it...??

Edit, for a kick off we've got the January money that the board pulled from Adkins when they started to have serious doubts....it'll be reight if wilder insists...can see him backed up...

It makes sense to keep mum over budgets for the very reason you've stated. Can you imagine the agent feeding frenzy at Aston Villa now this new owner has been spouting about £50m budgets?

What this club needs are players who want to progress and improve their careers as opposed to their bank balances. God knows we've had some shite over the last few years who have done very well out of us and given the square root of fuck all in return.

 

[him behind you]

We keep hearing from the local media, McCabe and also Wilder about having to work within a limited budget next year and that we have limited resources.

I really don't understand how this is the case if comparing us with the rest of the division. Surely when talking about budgets or resources its relative to the league you are in.

I'm not suggesting we go out and spend millions, but surely we should be in the top 3 budgets in this division next year (with MK Dons and maybe Charlton ahead of us).

So why are we being fed the "working with a limited budget" line all of a sudden.

Without this turning into a McCabe bashing thread - does anyone out there have some good, sensible insight into how we could possibly have a low/average budget when compared to the rest of the division?

IMO, Adkins wanted a complete clear out (and had probably been promised it) and would have probably walked if he wasn't allowed - and may not have gone quietly. McCabe had obviously decided that he wasn't going to fund that so took the easy way out and got rid of the manager before any discussion on the retained list was complete so got rid and has taken the cheap option by attracting someone who, because of his love of the club and possibly a yearning to manage it, would be willing to tow the part line and work under bigger constraints than the previous manager so he has happily cut the budget. There's my McCabe bashing attempt .

 

[BushBlade]

They aren't my figures they are based on the figures used by another poster and relate to his calculation of income. Nothing else. My repky says nothing about wages profits or whatever so I don't understand your point.

I have actually seen the accounts.

When you audited them?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

All that and Clough and his merry men before that, plus all the bigger budgets both managers spent.

NA has only committed Sharp and Woolford to the wage bill so no huge lasting legacy there. From Clough we’re still “stuck” with Coutts, Basham, Freeman, McNulty, Scougall, Adams, Done, Brayford and K Wallace for next season unless we manage to move any one. I say “stuck”, I’m in favour of Adams, Basham, Done, Brayford and possibly K. Wallace remaining but Brayford in particular is an expensive commodity.


Paying NA and his staff off will have eaten into the budget though.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

NA has only committed Sharp and Woolford to the wage bill so no huge lasting legacy there. From Clough we’re still “stuck” with Coutts, Basham, Freeman, McNulty, Scougall, Adams, Done, Brayford and K Wallace for next season unless we manage to move any one. I say “stuck”, I’m in favour of Adams, Basham, Done, Brayford and possibly K. Wallace remaining but Brayford in particular is an expensive commodity.


Paying NA and his staff off will have eaten into the budget though.

I don't know why my comments posted as a link? Have I broken the internet?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Guess we'll soon discover just how much lower it's going to be. Might be a case of 'careful what you wish for' where Adkins et el is concerned. Plus McCabe can use fan unrest as an excuse for sacking Nige: 'It's what you lot wanted! Can't pay him off AND buy decent new players, can I...'

Except it’s not what we wanted as I believe sixty odd percent were in favour of sticking with him, just as they were with Clough.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

It's pretty simple. The budget will be constrained by the fact we have a collection of highly paid useless chuffs tied into contracts.

So it might be high by div1 standards, but doesn't allow enough flexibility.

That sounds exactly like the season just gone. Having 10-15 less of the useless chuffs on the books than we had last August must surely provide some flexibility though.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Never in the history of our club, has one manager singed so many players who, to a man, will leave for even greater depths.

The reprocussions of Clough, and the idiots who let him loose, are now being felt.

UTB

I think Che will go on to better things and can see Basham and Brayford staying at the same level or a little higher if they left. The rest though, you’re probably right.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Gate receipts alone should be pretty impressive. If you take even the most optimistic, finger in the air guesstimate of 17k x £20 x 23 that gives you nearly eight million. So, for McCabe's supposed eight big ones, the supporters (even with a consistently low gate turnout) put about the same in. I haven't factored any other revenue stream in there either.

Last season - sixteen million. What on?

(cue link to the ever so honest accounts page)

pommpey

The figure will be nowhere near £8 million. More like £4-5 million. I and many others on the kop have paid about £270 for a season ticket. South stand and John Street I suspect are about £350 this year? My lad’s ST cost about £50.


The average price per attending fan per game is nowhere near £20.00. More like £10-12 I reckon.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

GRUMPY BLADE


True but When Bassett’s star player was sold from under him, even he didn’t have the answers. And even Warnock only got us up when we finally backed him in the transfer market (Webber, Ifill, Akinbiyi, Horsefield all commanding significant fees whilst the likes of Unsworth, Gillespie, Nalis, Flitcroft etc. will have been on decent money).


Also, both managers got time and didn’t have a gun to their head in their first season. That is no longer the case.

 

[Sheffsteel]

GRUMPY BLADE
Also, both managers got time and didn’t have a gun to their head in their first season. That is no longer the case.

Let's be fair.

In recent years every Blades manager has been backed with virtually the highest budget in league 1.

The club are ambitious and make it clear to the manager we expect promotion or at least a sign of promotion.

It's the ambition and massive expectationthat means managers are being sacked so often. Wilder and Knill will have the biggest budgets they've ever had in their careers.

 

[maidmarion]

He's hardly going to say, don't worry folks we've got millions is he. Every time we contacted a club about a player they would then inflate the price thinking we've got shed loads of money. That probably happens anyway.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Let's be fair.

In recent years every Blades manager has been backed with virtually the highest budget in league 1.

The club are ambitious and make it clear to the manager we expect promotion or at least a sign of promotion.

It's the ambition and massive expectationthat means managers are being sacked so often. Wilder and Knill will have the biggest budgets they've ever had in their careers.

In terms of carrying the biggest wage bill yes but due to the regular change in manager, nearly all of that budget has been taken up by the dross left behind by the previous manager (with their better acquisitions sold off at the first opportunity). Only Clough has had the freedom to really spend at this level since we've been down here. Wilson got a fraction of what he generated. Same with Adkins. Weir signed bargain bucket no-hopers. There's generally been a lack of time and freedom in the budget for managers to mould teams into their own.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

We are now an established league one club so it's obvious we have limited resources. We might still get 20,000 crowds but we are playing in a ground with 12,702 empty seats every week.(more than most league one stadiums) We still have same problems as all the other teams in the league, but just on a different scale.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

Limited Budget? Where's the "game-changing investment" he was on about 3 years ago then?

 

[Woodwardfan]

I don't know why my comments posted as a link? Have I broken the internet?

Perhaps because you quoted me out of context. I meant the money can only be spent once.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Limited Budget? Where's the "game-changing investment" he was on about 3 years ago then?

It's either spent or it doesn't come until we are in the Championship!!

Strictly speaking it did change our game anyway as we were heading towards break-even and the club paying it's own way. Imagine things now if the club wasn't being subbed to the tune of at least £8m a year!!

 

[alcoblade]

Let's be fair.

In recent years every Blades manager has been backed with virtually the highest budget in league 1.

The club are ambitious and make it clear to the manager we expect promotion or at least a sign of promotion.

It's the ambition and massive expectationthat means managers are being sacked so often. Wilder and Knill will have the biggest budgets they've ever had in their careers.

Here in lies the problem. If you take over United, you inherit a bunch of shit players, with the highest "costs" in the division. You can do fuck all with them because they are overpaid and shite, then you get sacked, because you underperformed with the highest "budget" in the division.

Throw in making the odd poor signing yourself, and you're fully to blame. What's more, the fans have become so impatient (who can blame them) they can't see past it.

UTB

 

[FriethBlade]

Let's get this right, the budget is whatever McCabe and Prince want it to be as they can 'fund revenue' to whatever tune they want under the FFP rules that apply to div one and two so it is they who directly set the budget.

Secondly re Clough the likes of Adams , Done, Brayford have all got significant resale value so it wasn't all one way. Additionally the 2 cup semis and sale of McGuire and Murphy brought in millions. Now admittedly he wasted money but the taps were only turned on at certain points....does anyone seriously think when he signed Higdon he scoured the whole of European football and thought he's the man I really want ?

There's been one constant throughout our decline and he's still here and seemingly the addition of a Saudi prince can't overcome the dead weight.

 

[alcoblade]

Let's get this right, the budget is whatever McCabe and Prince want it to be as they can 'fund revenue' to whatever tune they want under the FFP rules that apply to div one and two so it is they who directly set the budget.

Secondly re Clough the likes of Adams , Done, Brayford have all got significant resale value so it wasn't all one way. Additionally the 2 cup semis and sale of McGuire and Murphy brought in millions. Now admittedly he wasted money but the taps were only turned on at certain points....does anyone seriously think when he signed Higdon he scoured the whole of European football and thought he's the man I really want ?

There's been one constant throughout our decline and he's still here and seemingly the addition of a Saudi prince can't overcome the dead weight.

We would only make a profit on the sale of Adams. We would lose nearly everything we've paid in the sale of Brayford and Done who are all but worthless, because their salary so far exceeds their worth. And we couldn't sell them if we tried.

They will both walk for free on contract expiry. More shit business.

He generated money from the cups, you have to credit him that. You can't credit him with the sale of Murphy and Maguire, who were already here - he just turned assets into cash there.

UTB

 

[FriethBlade]

Alco I

We would only make a profit on the sale of Adams. We would lose nearly everything we've paid in the sale of Brayford and Done who are all but worthless, because their salary so far exceeds their worth. And we couldn't sell them if we tried.

They will both walk for free on contract expiry. More shit business.

He generated money from the cups, you have to credit him that. You can't credit him with the sale of Murphy and Maguire, who were already here - he just turned assets into cash there.

UTB

Alco I wasn't trying to credit him with that merely pointing out that there was plenty of money coming into the club under Cloughs reign as well as going out. I think Adams will go for well over a million and we will recoup the Done money. Whereas with Adkins every player he brought in was a disaster except Billy....and even he was only just value for money when you look at his wages and how many of his goals were from the penalty spot.

I'm genuinely hopeful Wilder will sign the right kind of player and his knowledge of div 2 will be vital in this. It's just a shame it sounds like he won't get the backing to spend the 5-700k kind of money it will take to sign the 'team of the year' kind of youngsters we should be after