Limited resources / budget

[Borbokisfreekick]

We keep hearing from the local media, McCabe and also Wilder about having to work within a limited budget next year and that we have limited resources.

I really don't understand how this is the case if comparing us with the rest of the division. Surely when talking about budgets or resources its relative to the league you are in.

I'm not suggesting we go out and spend millions, but surely we should be in the top 3 budgets in this division next year (with MK Dons and maybe Charlton ahead of us).

So why are we being fed the "working with a limited budget" line all of a sudden.

Without this turning into a McCabe bashing thread - does anyone out there have some good, sensible insight into how we could possibly have a low/average budget when compared to the rest of the division?

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

"Working with a limited budget" has simply replaced the "cutting of cloth" analogy which Kev wore completely out over the last few years.

 

[pommpey]

'Limited Budget'

"Yay! McCabe has reduced ST prices by 10%!"

Hence: 'Limited Budget'

Oh, and that new pitch aint gonna pay for itself, is it?

pommpey

 

[Barney]

For a club of this size to have a budget that isn't either 1st or 2nd highest in this division is very poor.

There's no good reason we won't have at least the 2nd biggest budget next season.

It's just purely down to poor ownership.

 

[Woodwardfan]

We keep hearing from the local media, McCabe and also Wilder about having to work within a limited budget next year and that we have limited resources.

I really don't understand how this is the case if comparing us with the rest of the division. Surely when talking about budgets or resources its relative to the league you are in.

I'm not suggesting we go out and spend millions, but surely we should be in the top 3 budgets in this division next year (with MK Dons and maybe Charlton ahead of us).

So why are we being fed the "working with a limited budget" line all of a sudden.

Without this turning into a McCabe bashing thread - does anyone out there have some good, sensible insight into how we could possibly have a low/average budget when compared to the rest of the division?

Simple answer is that our wage bill is as high as it's getting already and affected by who leaves this summer. Presumably our income will be a fair bit lower.

You are quite right to say it's all relative but Adkins did say he thought we were about 6th/7th highest last season. The only sense I made out of that was that Adkins must have been referring to 'new money' for new players and not the overall wage spend. Adkins mentioned that some clubs have a 'right go' for a year or two in a sort of 'gamble' on reaching higher status and greater income streams. He mentioned Scunthorpe last summer and expected them to be 'in the mix'.

In introducing Wilder as the new manager I think McCabe mentions this budget context in order to take some of the pressure off the new manager and I think McCabe has also gone to some lengths to re-emphasise the determination to play more lads developed by the Academy and at the same time take on no more easy pension top-ups for ageing journeymen looking for an easy late stage to their careers. I think McCabe is as fed up as us watching average players past their best earning money for nothing. By implication new signings will be cheaper in contracts with new signings with more to prove and work towards. By definition there is a ' transitional period'as the old way fades away and the new and different type of players bed in. Wilder will not suffer the drastic cuts that Weir did, but it has to take time and we fans need to give Wilder time and space. Rather than loads of new money Wilder will presumably be re-cycling cash saved on the wages of departees and if they don't depart things will move slower.

Promotion next season will be a great achievement under these conditions which will bear more fruit the season after. It will take at least another year to unravel current contracts so we will still be left with a wedge of wasted wage costs. In actual fact I don't think we will be far from the FFP or SCMP which I think is still 60% of total revenue as far as I know. Our revenue will be lower surely but still amongst the highest by far and by nature that means our wage budget is amongst the top few in the division.

The owners are still telling us that more funds will be made available when we finally reach the Championship. Will we start signing older, older, more experienced, less hungry players again then? It doesn't quite add up to me though I do have an unease that Wilder as a manager in the Championship will not be able to attract quality players like Clough, Adkins and even Wilson might have. Anyway we'll worry about that at the time and in any case I'm all for youth, pace, mobility and hunger at any level with just a smattering of old stagers.

Apologies for the length of this Borbokis, when I start writing all these aspects unravel and it helps me anyway to set it all out. I try not to start too many O.P.'s too!

 

[finlaytheblade]

Simple answer is that our wage bill is as high as it's getting already and affected by who leaves this summer. Presumably our income will be a fair bit lower.

You are quite right to say it's all relative but Adkins did say he thought we were about 6th/7th highest last season. The only sense I made out of that was that Adkins must have been referring to 'new money' for new players and not the overall wage spend. Adkins mentioned that some clubs have a 'right go' for a year or two in a sort of 'gamble' on reaching higher status and greater income streams. He mentioned Scunthorpe last summer and expected them to be 'in the mix'.

In introducing Wilder as the new manager I think McCabe mentions this budget context in order to take some of the pressure off the new manager and I think McCabe has also gone to some lengths to re-emphasise the determination to play more lads developed by the Academy and at the same time take on no more easy pension top-ups for ageing journeymen looking for an easy late stage to their careers. I think McCabe is as fed up as us watching average players past their best earning money for nothing. By implication new signings will be cheaper in contracts with new signings with more to prove and work towards. By definition there is a ' transitional period'as the old way fades away and the new and different type of players bed in. Wilder will not suffer the drastic cuts that Weir did, but it has to take time and we fans need to give Wilder time and space. Rather than loads of new money Wilder will presumably be re-cycling cash saved on the wages of departees and if they don't depart things will move slower.

Promotion next season will be a great achievement under these conditions which will bear more fruit the season after. It will take at least another year to unravel current contracts so we will still be left with a wedge of wasted wage costs. In actual fact I don't think we will be far from the FFP or SCMP which I think is still 60% of total revenue as far as I know. Our revenue will be lower surely but still amongst the highest by far and by nature that means our wage budget is amongst the top few in the division.

The owners are still telling us that more funds will be made available when we finally reach the Championship. Will we start signing older, older, more experienced, less hungry players again then? It doesn't quite add up to me though I do have an unease that Wilder as a manager in the Championship will not be able to attract quality players like Clough, Adkins and even Wilson might have. Anyway we'll worry about that at the time and in any case I'm all for youth, pace, mobility and hunger at any level with just a smattering of old stagers.

Apologies for the length of this Borbokis, when I start writing all these aspects unravel and it helps me anyway to set it all out. I try not to start too many O.P.'s too!

Agree 100% Woody

 

[TJB.]

So why are we being fed the "working with a limited budget" line all of a sudden.

Because we've spunked the budget on compensation for NA and staff.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Because we've spunked the budget on compensation for NA and staff.

All that and Clough and his merry men before that, plus all the bigger budgets both managers spent.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Half the squad is on it's way and we'll get diddly squat for all of em. But to replace them with the young talented starlets we require will cost us a packet.

 

[TJB.]

All that and Clough and his merry men before that, plus all the bigger budgets both managers spent.

Guess we'll soon discover just how much lower it's going to be. Might be a case of 'careful what you wish for' where Adkins et el is concerned. Plus McCabe can use fan unrest as an excuse for sacking Nige: 'It's what you lot wanted! Can't pay him off AND buy decent new players, can I...'

 

[S5Blade]

Both wilder and McCabe have said our budget will still be one of the highest in the division but guessing were just not gonna spaff it all on wank, expensive over priced players this year.

Why is everyone getting so much sand in their vaginas, it might be reduced from last season but given the amount of shit we signed and how wank we were last season, its no bad thing.

 

[Tezza1889]

We keep hearing from the local media, McCabe and also Wilder about having to work within a limited budget next year and that we have limited resources.

I really don't understand how this is the case if comparing us with the rest of the division. Surely when talking about budgets or resources its relative to the league you are in.

I'm not suggesting we go out and spend millions, but surely we should be in the top 3 budgets in this division next year (with MK Dons and maybe Charlton ahead of us).

So why are we being fed the "working with a limited budget" line all of a sudden.

Without this turning into a McCabe bashing thread - does anyone out there have some good, sensible insight into how we could possibly have a low/average budget when compared to the rest of the division?

Ever considered that we might be sandbagging me old China....

We're hardly gonna say "wilder given 5 million war chest". Cause that would raise the asking prices wouldn't it...??

Edit, for a kick off we've got the January money that the board pulled from Adkins when they started to have serious doubts....it'll be reight if wilder insists...can see him backed up...

 

[JohnDenver]

It's pretty simple. The budget will be constrained by the fact we have a collection of highly paid useless chuffs tied into contracts.

So it might be high by div1 standards, but doesn't allow enough flexibility.

 

[alcoblade]

Never in the history of our club, has one manager singed so many players who, to a man, will leave for even greater depths.

The reprocussions of Clough, and the idiots who let him loose, are now being felt.

UTB

 

[pommpey]

For a club of this size to have a budget that isn't either 1st or 2nd highest in this division is very poor.

There's no good reason we won't have at least the 2nd biggest budget next season.

It's just purely down to poor ownership.

Gate receipts alone should be pretty impressive. If you take even the most optimistic, finger in the air guesstimate of 17k x £20 x 23 that gives you nearly eight million. So, for McCabe's supposed eight big ones, the supporters (even with a consistently low gate turnout) put about the same in. I haven't factored any other revenue stream in there either.

Last season - sixteen million. What on?

(cue link to the ever so honest accounts page)

pommpey

 

[SotonBlade]

.......Why is everyone getting so much sand in their vaginas, it might be reduced from last season but given the amount of shit we signed and how wank we were last season, its no bad thing.......

Quote of the off-season thus far

 

[Bladesway]

All that and Clough and his merry men before that, plus all the bigger budgets both managers spent.

And there it is.

 

[Ben_1982]

They've never said limited budget: they've said reduced budget which will probably still be near the top end of the division budget!

 

[pommpey]

All that and Clough and his merry men before that, plus all the bigger budgets both managers spent.

So sacking them (revenue out toward compensation) is the better tactic than buying decent players (revenue out toward squad strengthening)

You are McCabe's apologist.

pommpey

 

[Esablade]

It's relative.

I believe we made a loss of around £5 million last year.

Our wage budget last year was around £9 million-ish. This year it'll probably be around £5million....maybe less...

To put this in some perspective, Burton's budget last year was around £1.5 million.

They were promoted.

 

[grafikhaus]

I'm not suggesting we go out and spend millions, but surely we should be in the top 3 budgets in this division next year (with MK Dons and maybe Charlton ahead of us).

Don't forget Bolton and their parachute payments. Whatever happens, we'll be fed the usual bullshit and, this time next year, will have fallen even further behind.

To put this in some perspective, Burton's budget last year was around £1.5 million.

They were promoted.

...and we almost certainly grossed more than that for the Man. U game but, unlike Burton, all the money we have incoming - transfer fees, cup runs, attendances etc. - seems to vanish into thin air.

 

[Bladezz]

If the figures are roughly correct then we have issues.

Reading on here people expect 2/3 million cut. So if we work on the premise of 2.5million that means we have to reduce the wages down by £50,000 per week.

Say we release 15 players (not sure how many are out of contact) say those 15 players are on average £3,000 per week. That means we still need to reduce an extra £5,000 before we can sign players.

I know the figures are purely made up from myself but if there is an element of truth in there how can we go and sign players?

People are suggesting making 7 plus signings (we need that at least) but how to do with the budget like this?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Both wilder and McCabe have said our budget will still be one of the highest in the division but guessing were just not gonna spaff it all on wank, expensive over priced players this year.

Why is everyone getting so much sand in their vaginas, it might be reduced from last season but given the amount of shit we signed and how wank we were last season, its no bad thing.

Aye, Bassett had little budget, its the leader not the budget.

Warnock's pockets weren't over flowing with gold either.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Aye, Bassett had little budget, its the leader not the budget.

Warnock's pockets weren't over flowing with gold either.

Agree, it's the leader not the budget.

It's all about what any new leader inherits and how quickly he sorts it out.

Wilder will be left with less dead-weight than Adkins but less overall budget. I guess not much less budget though and at least there will be a few more moving on at the end of their contracts this summer.

No doubt Wilder will have a system of playing and clarity in that direction will help!!

Say 23 players including Lewin, Whiteman, Reed and a young keeper to be decided, I'm sure the budget will stack up and we may be able to reach a settlement on the final year of one or two contracts and then the overall numbers are kept nice and tight.. Over the 23 should be proper development players who should man half the bench some of the time as a matter of policy.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Aye, Bassett had little budget, its the leader not the budget.

Warnock's pockets weren't over flowing with gold either.

Adkins pockets were over flowing with IOU's.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Gate receipts alone should be pretty impressive. If you take even the most optimistic, finger in the air guesstimate of 17k x £20 x 23 that gives you nearly eight million. So, for McCabe's supposed eight big ones, the supporters (even with a consistently low gate turnout) put about the same in. I haven't factored any other revenue stream in there either.

Last season - sixteen million. What on?

(cue link to the ever so honest accounts page)

pommpey

When the vat is stripped out its down to £6.5million and that's without adjusting for kids season tickets which are just over £2 quid a game.

But let's not let factual detail spoil things.

 

[Sean Thornton]

They've never said limited budget: they've said reduced budget which will probably still be near the top end of the division budget!

Exactly. Bearing in mind because of the numbers signed by Clough the budget at the start of the season just gone will have been more than 2014/2015 - which is really what most people are quoting - it was obviously going to be less anyway.

 

[alcoblade]

Don't forget Bolton and their parachute payments. Whatever happens, we'll be fed the usual bullshit and, this time next year, will have fallen even further behind.



...and we almost certainly grossed more than that for the Man. U game but, unlike Burton, all the money we have incoming - transfer fees, cup runs, attendances etc. - seems to vanish into thin air.

Or into a 43 man squad that's fucking rubbish, with an injured right back who alone earns £750,000 a year?

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

Gate receipts alone should be pretty impressive. If you take even the most optimistic, finger in the air guesstimate of 17k x £20 x 23 that gives you nearly eight million. So, for McCabe's supposed eight big ones, the supporters (even with a consistently low gate turnout) put about the same in. I haven't factored any other revenue stream in there either.

Last season - sixteen million. What on?

(cue link to the ever so honest accounts page)

pommpey

Season ticket holders, who make up the bulk of income, can pay as little as £280 for an adult.

I've bought three this year at a total cost of £340, including kids.

10,000 season ticket holders probably only raise £2m. To put that into perspective, it would be easily wiped out by John Brayford'd fee and salary.

I believe the focus on investment is misplaced, though it obviously helps.
It's a decade if spending it on the wrong things that has fucked us up.

UTB

 

[Superblades]

He wants to do it on the cheap and spend as little of his money as possible. That's all there is to it.