The released list?

[1danewhitehouse]

What happened to the good old "transfer list"?
United don't need to try and find a buyer for every player before making a decision on their future.
If we don't want to keep a player, we just announce that they're available for transfer, sit back and watch the offers come flooding in
It's up to the player and his agent to try and find a new club, Wilder has got enough on his plate.

I agree, just speculating.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

So what if he might have wanted a player that would have been released?
The club should have seen enough and have enough knowledge and conviction about the players to go through with it and ask the manager to build on what's left.

The disadvantage of doing that is that you lose a player the manager might want and who might be an asset (personally, I believe only George Long falls into that category out of the out of contract players but as I said, it's subjective). What advantage of doing this outweighs the disadvantage?

 

[Barney]

But its widely accepted that they aren't.
So pissing and moaning about why we haven't is just stupid.

Never mind the line about "releasing everyone except Long would be widely accepted by the fanbase".

Which ones? The 20k each week or those sat at home?

Constantly referring to the fact that I didn't attend games for most of last season even when it isn't relevant doesn't do anything for your argument.
So because it's widely accepted they aren't competent and knowledgable enough to do these things, we should just accept and put up with it?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Because if we put Woolford on the transfer list, we would still be waiting for the phone to ring in 12 months time when his contract expires

That's the problem.
Why would they try if we're paying them over the going rate.
Better for all parties to agree a settlement that means that they can afford to move on and we can get them out of the club

This assumes that all players are totally money-oriented and would happily waste a precious year of their career training with the kids and never playing.
If we put players on the transfer list in mid-May, it gives them 3.5 months to find themselves a club who wants them.
If we then have to make a payment to the player to force the deal through, so be it, why should it have to be all put in place NOW.

The thought of paying Coutts and Woolford a wedge of money to leave TODAY leaves a sour taste when it could be possibly avoided.
The idea of paying Brayford, Basham or Done to leave is frankly idiotic.

 

[sheffielder]

Constantly referring to the fact that I didn't attend games for most of last season even when it isn't relevant doesn't do anything for your argument.
So because it's widely accepted they aren't competent and knowledgable enough to do these things, we should just accept and put up with it?

at least he is stating an actual fact....

 

[The Crab]

I wonder how many of our players are already in Magaluf. I'm guessing they're not all easy to get hold of, let alone hold discussions with.

Just stick their p45's on Facebook or Instagram or whatever the fuck is in fashion at the moment. They'll see it when they are posting their holiday snaps then.

 

[PeteBlade]

Constantly referring to the fact that I didn't attend games for most of last season even when it isn't relevant doesn't do anything for your argument.
So because it's widely accepted they aren't competent and knowledgable enough to do these things, we should just accept and put up with it?

It's incredibly relevant as you talked about them deciding the released list being accepted by "the fans", if plenty of those aren't able to offer a valid opinion on a fair few.

Hiring a new manager but then deciding the retained list before he joins is just stupid. Any manager would agree.

 

[Kenilworth]

If some decisions have been changed on who is leaving and who is going.

Class

Thought it was too subtle

It looks like it might turn out to be more prophetic than subtle

 

[Barney]

The disadvantage of doing that is that you lose a player the manager might want and who might be an asset (personally, I believe only George Long falls into that category out of the out of contract players but as I said, it's subjective). What advantage of doing this outweighs the disadvantage?

You don't seem to be understanding the point.
The vast majority of Blades with a brain know that all those out contract, Long aside, need to be released.
McEveley is the only other that splits opinion slightly, the rest are pretty unanimous.
A fully competent board should also be completely confident about this.
Frankly, I don't think the board should give a monkeys if the manager thinks otherwise or not, they're the board of the football club and they should have the conviction in their actions to go through with it and make sure it happens.
It allows more time and eliminates the possibility that a manager comes in and starts giving out clean slates again to players that clearly don't deserve it.

 

[robbiez666]

I am slightly confused Barney , you've gone from calling for Adkins head and getting your wish, to now moaning about what's happening under a new manager when he's been here less than a week. I'm not entirely sure what would make you happy?

 

[robbiez666]

Wait, we have a competent Board? YYYYYYEEEEEESSSSSS Best summer eva

 

[bertieblade]

Barney a manager is brought in to manage his resources and subsequently has to have a say in said resources. Whatever you hope to gain by moving the decision forward by one or two days is lost in the general scheme of things

 

[Barney]

I am slightly confused Barney , you've gone from calling for Adkins head and getting your wish, to now moaning about what's happening under a new manager when he's been here less than a week. I'm not entirely sure what would make you happy?

I'm not unhappy with how things are going.
I'm just fairly certain there could have been a quicker and more efficient way around making a decision on the retained list the vast majority of people know is correct.

 

[Rodley]

You don't seem to be understanding the point.
The vast majority of Blades with a brain know that all those out contract, Long aside, need to be released.
McEveley is the only other that splits opinion slightly, the rest are pretty unanimous.
A fully competent board should also be completely confident about this.
Frankly, I don't think the board should give a monkeys if the manager thinks otherwise or not, they're the board of the football club and they should have the conviction in their actions to go through with it and make sure it happens.
It allows more time and eliminates the possibility that a manager comes in and starts giving out clean slates again to players that clearly don't deserve it.

You've spent the day arguing over a minor point. Your grades will fall through the floor Barn! Get doing something productive!

 

[Slim Man]

Barney a manager is brought in to manage his resources and subsequently has to have a say in said resources. Whatever you hope to gain by moving the decision forward by one or two days is lost in the general scheme of things

I don't get what the fuckin problem is
If it takes 2 hours or 2 weeks as long as the right players go who the hell cares how long it takes?

 

[PeteBlade]

You don't seem to be understanding the point.
The vast majority of Blades with a brain know that all those out contract, Long aside, need to be released.
McEveley is the only other that splits opinion slightly, the rest are pretty unanimous.
A fully competent board should also be completely confident about this.
Frankly, I don't think the board should give a monkeys if the manager thinks otherwise or not, they're the board of the football club and they should have the conviction in their actions to go through with it and make sure it happens.
It allows more time and eliminates the possibility that a manager comes in and starts giving out clean slates again to players that clearly don't deserve it.

I've seen a wide range of people suggest a wide range of different players we should and shouldn't keep so the suggestion that its unanimous is just false.

Which is where the comment about attending becomes incredibly relevant. Who do they listen to? Some speak very loudly with not much first hand knowledge.

 

[PeteBlade]

I am slightly confused Barney , you've gone from calling for Adkins head and getting your wish, to now moaning about what's happening under a new manager when he's been here less than a week. I'm not entirely sure what would make you happy?

Someone believing his season ticket story?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

1. You don't seem to be understanding the point.
2. The vast majority of Blades with a brain know that all those out contract, Long aside, need to be released. McEveley is the only other that splits opinion slightly, the rest are pretty unanimous.
3. A fully competent board should also be completely confident about this.
4. Frankly, I don't think the board should give a monkeys if the manager thinks otherwise or not, they're the board of the football club and they should have the conviction in their actions to go through with it and make sure it happens.
5. It allows more time and eliminates the possibility that a manager comes in and starts giving out clean slates again to players that clearly don't deserve it.

1. I don't believe I've misunderstood anything.
2. This is simply not true. On this forum alone (a relatively small fan sample) there have been ongoing discussions over whether new contracts should be given to Howard, McEveley, Flynn, McGahey, Harris, JCR, Cuvelier. Most have said they would want to get rid of all of them but more than just the odd one have made cases for keeping various of the above, some with full threads dedicated to that individual.
3. Competent how? Again, are you suggesting that we have football people on the board? Maybe a DoF? In that scenario are you suggesting we run the football club by committee like the pigs? Which would make Wilder "head coach" instead of "manager"?
4. So the board should assume they know more about footballers' abilities than the manager? Should they also decide on transfer targets etc.?
5. Again, just displays a total lack of trust in the new manager. What message does it send to the squad re the manager's authority?

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

"The Released List"

Mac, Prince & Turkish looking at Evans, Hughes, McCormick, King, Pennant, Rix & Pistorious (International advisory role)

 

[Barney]

1. I don't believe I've misunderstood anything.
2. This is simply not true. On this forum alone (a relatively small fan sample) there have been ongoing discussions over whether new contracts should be given to Howard, McEveley, Flynn, McGahey, Harris, JCR, Cuvelier. Most have said they would want to get rid of all of them but more than just the odd one have made cases for keeping various of the above, some with full threads dedicated to that individual.
3. Competent how? Again, are you suggesting that we have football people on the board? Maybe a DoF? In that scenario are you suggesting we run the football club by committee like the pigs? Which would make Wilder "head coach" instead of "manager"?
4. So the board should assume they know more about footballers' abilities than the manager? Should they also decide on transfer targets etc.?
5. Again, just displays a total lack of trust in the new manager. What message does it send to the squad re the manager's authority?

I think you have.
You say it isn't true and then go on to say "most have said they would want to get rid of all of them"?
Erm, this proves my point?
They aren't competent, this is the whole point and why it's frustrating. If they were they could have dealt with it.
No I'm saying it's a unanimous decision amongst a majority that the input of one man shouldn't change.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

I'm getting ready for this forum's Retained/Released Lists.

Who's out on a free?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I think you have.
You say it isn't true and then go on to say "most have said they would want to get rid of all of them"?
Erm, this proves my point?
They aren't competent, this is the whole point and why it's frustrating. If they were they could have dealt with it.
No I'm saying it's a unanimous decision amongst a majority that the input of one man shouldn't change.

Most = the larger share of a split. That is and never has been unanimous. Say 70 % want rid of each player. That's still a long way from unanimous. Opinion is divided with more fans leaning towards getting rid of most of the players. Perhaps you struggle with the English language.

 

[Barney]

Most = the larger share of a split. That is and never has been unanimous. Say 70 % want rid of each player. That's still a long way from unanimous. Opinion is divided with more fans leaning towards getting rid of most of the players. Perhaps you struggle with the English language.

So it isn't going to be a better decision to go with the 30% is it?
Rather set yourself up for a fall there.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

1. I don't believe I've misunderstood anything.
2. This is simply not true. On this forum alone (a relatively small fan sample) there have been ongoing discussions over whether new contracts should be given to Howard, McEveley, Flynn, McGahey, Harris, JCR, Cuvelier. Most have said they would want to get rid of all of them but more than just the odd one have made cases for keeping various of the above, some with full threads dedicated to that individual.
3. Competent how? Again, are you suggesting that we have football people on the board? Maybe a DoF? In that scenario are you suggesting we run the football club by committee like the pigs? Which would make Wilder "head coach" instead of "manager"?
4. So the board should assume they know more about footballers' abilities than the manager? Should they also decide on transfer targets etc.?
5. Again, just displays a total lack of trust in the new manager. What message does it send to the squad re the manager's authority?

Technical Committee of 1 or 100 , the say of who will see the door or retained will ultimately down to Wilder and Wilder alone . The representatives on the committee will be so embarrassed , thought of looking a fool , of making a wrong decision , like all committees some will keep lips sealed.

Wilder ain't come to the lane to be a mouth piece or bitch for anyone.

UTB

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I've nothing against leaving it to Wilder. I'm just saying that there was a way to make the whole thing a bit faster.

But we are surely doing it faster than previously? Last season we didn't release the list till a few days after the Swindon game, so I don't think we're being particularly slow. Didn't you suggest a year ago that the board should have appointed Adkins in time to help decide the retained list? Seems to be exactly what we've done in acting fast to enable Wilder to be involved in adding/reducing the list.

 

[Barney]

But we are surely doing it faster than previously? Last season we didn't release the list till a few days after the Swindon game, so I don't think we're being particularly slow. Didn't you suggest a year ago that the board should have appointed Adkins in time to help decide the retained list? Seems to be exactly what we've done in acting fast to enable Wilder to be involved in adding/reducing the list.

No, it was the same problem then.
We could have had someone on the board to be able to deal with the retained list before Clough got sacked.
Or at least prevented him from doing it before he got the chop.
Such a person unfortunately doesn't exist.

 

[Kenilworth]

So what constitutes a competent board?

 

[robbiez666]

I'm not unhappy with how things are going.
I'm just fairly certain there could have been a quicker and more efficient way around making a decision on the retained list the vast majority of people know is correct.

Have you ever considered that Adkins did a list, talked to the players and they buggered off for summer. Then Wilder came in and had to have fresh talks with some of them, who are no doubt not in home watching daytime TV?

 

[Barney]

Have you ever considered that Adkins did a list, talked to the players and they buggered off for summer. Then Wilder came in and had to have fresh talks with some of them, who are no doubt not in home watching daytime TV?

Well if they knew they might sack him they shouldn't have allowed him to talk to them for that to be the case.
Also, if that was the case the retained list would have been announced by now.

 

[robbiez666]

Well if they knew they might sack him they shouldn't have allowed him to talk to them for that to be the case.
Also, if that was the case the retained list would have been announced by now.

Well, Tel already knew. He announced it on FB/Twitter. He wouldn't have been alone.