The released list?

[Treeton Blade]

That wouldn't surprise me at all

Think the first 2 are nailed on, not a big fan of Done, but he`s a player we could get a fee for so that would surprise me.

 

[Barney]

Not sure it will be as simple as that. The delay could be that Mr Clough is on holiday and the deals for Coutts and Basham have not gone through yet. We aren't going to simply pay people off and give them a year, we are going to arrange transfers where we pay the difference in wages.

surely.....

All that's been mentioned as far as I'm aware is that players are being paid up.
Don't believe that but if it's true I think it'd be a waste.

 

[Maidenhead]

I think swap Basham for Done. I can see Wilder liking Done's running and fitness

I would be very surprised if Basham is paid off.

He's a hard working player that can slot into a number of positions.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I would imagine that anyone who disrupts the dressing room under Wilder will be gone before they can clear their lockers. Strikes me as a man who doesn't suffer fools at all, let alone gladly.

Ché Adams might end up out of the team a few more times next season.

I agree IF he can get them out. There’s a lot of assumption that Adkins allowed the players to stay but really, I think he was limited simply moving players out whenever he could get a taker. I don’t think the board would have sanctioned paying off 10-15 players. Thankfully, Wilder shouldn’t have more than a handful under contract that he might want out.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

About 40k p/w, not including the loans.

That saving alone is enough to pay the wages of at least 7 quality L1 players.

Factor in the loans as well and that's probably a further 35k p/w.

It's a lot of room for manoeuvre.

IF we’re allowing anything like the wage bill we carried previously. There’s also those that have already been shifted as well like Higdon, Alcock, Dimaio, Collins, Khan. Probably another £14-15k per week there. Plus there’s Morgan’s departure on top of that.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

As good as it sounds to ship a load of old shit out. Some of these players arn't that bad as squad players like ncnulty. Be a shame if the likes of done, long and basham have gone.

We can't possibly be left with just 4 pros at the club. Fair enough not retaining out of contract people. But can we really sign an entire squad in a summer?

4-5 does seem a very low estimate. I imagine the out of contract players go (bar Long) and then possibly some from Coutts, Woolford, Scougall, Freeman, K. Wallace, McNulty will be gone. I fully expect that Long, Brayford, Basham, Sharp, Adams, Whiteman, Reed, Calvert-Lewin etc. will remain.

 

[Ricky]

I think swap Basham for Done. I can see Wilder liking Done's running and fitness

But disliking Basham's running and fitness?

All this hassle about the retained list,
Wilder is doing due diligence on all the players,they are all employed by sufc and as such have to be treated
correctly. We as individuals would expect our employers to treat us with respect,Mr Wilder is doing it the right way,we will soon find out and after all he's only been in the hot seat for a week,crikey give him time to breath

Wilder will have already made all the decisions on players. He will have been preparing for this job for at least a month. Sunjihi posted on 7 April that Wilder was the frontrunner.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

He managed 7 goals last season despite only playing a few games upfront (10/12 mostly subs?). He was also injured for the first few months wasn't he?

Given the amount of goals he scored for us/Dale the season before I think it's a bit hard to judge him.

The problem with Done is that as a striker, he’s effective but doesn’t compliment Billy. As a wide man, he’s distinctly average. Still, I like the lad’s attitude and he’s a decent player to have in the squad. You have to have some players on the bench and having one who is quick, hardworking and versatile can only be a good thing.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Don't agree with that. He is ok and handy as a squad player. Agree we need better in the first 11 though if we want promotion

Basham will almost certainly be a first team regular in one position or another next season. Big, strong, energetic, combative and versatile. Granted he sometimes lacks quality and composure on the ball but there’s no what we will have 2 CBs and 2-3 CMs all better than him next season.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

If the board were as competent as they should be, they should and could have taken care of it quite easily.

If the board were even a little competent, they wouldn’t be entirely reliant on the decisions and strategies of ever-changing managers. There would be football people on the board setting up recruitment strategies, identifying a way of playing and players to fit that with the manager/ head coach managing the team. The combination of managerial autonomy together with the hiring and firing culture (especially given the lack of continuity in style of managers) is a recipe for disaster.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I'm saying they could have dealt with the retained list.

Which members? Who on the board is qualified to deal with the retained list?

I wouldn’t want incompetent, non-football people dealing with the retained list.


This delay was an inevitability of changing managers. You keep calling for managerial change then seem surprised when it sets us back in terms of recruitment and the release of players.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I'm pissed off we're more or less the last ones to announce our retained list.

I'm pissed off that this is because our board are incompetent.

Just generally pissed off about the whole thing.

You seem to be saying that just because we know the board are incompetent, we shouldn't complain about things they could have done if they were competent? If I'm not mistaken.

So are you saying the set up should be different and that we should have football people on the board managing player recruitment and retention? Or are you saying that regardless of the specialisms of the board members, they should just decide on the retained list regardless of what the manager thinks? Or should they have let NA do the list before sacking him like they did with Clough?


It’s easy to say you’re pissed off without offering a constructive solution but it gives and impression of “I want it all and I want it now. If I don’t get it I’ll thcweam and thcweam until I’m sick”

 

[1danewhitehouse]

It seems to me you're just desperate to be pissed off. Period.

UTB

Period as in an Americanised full stop? Or that Barney is pissed off for hormonal reasons?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Probably discussions with regard to the paying up of players contracts
Just because it hasnt been announced doesnt mean that its not been finalised and that Wilder has not made his mind up. Theres a lot goes off behnd the scenes that we dont know about

Maybe Wilder has been locked away for the last few days watching videos of every game every one of these players has played to decide whether to keep them?


Perhaps he’s commissioning medical reports on people like Kennedy to reach a decision?


Perhaps he’s having behind closed doors discussions with people like McGahey to see if they are happy to be back up continuing to learn their trade?


Perhaps he’s locked in negotiations on Dean Hammond’s new 3 year deal?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

That's not what I've said though. You've got mixed up.

As I have said, it's annoying we're the last ones to announce. It's also annoying that this is because the board aren't competent enough to have done it themselves.

You seem to have taken that as me being OK with an incompetent board doing the retained list, which isn't the case. I'd obviously want a competent board doing it, but ours isn't that. Hence the annoyance.

So what constitutes a competent board? Do you mean a board containing football expertise? Is your annoyance down to the fact we don’t have that kind of structure? If so, should Wilder have been brought in as “Head Coach” as opposed to “Manager”?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

No way will they pay up all but four.

The following players will not be paid to leave as it would make no sense whatsoever:

Brayford, Basham, Sharp, Done, Adams, Scougall, McNulty.

Then the likes of Reed and DCL if you include them. And Long won't be released.

The candidates to be paid off are Coutts, Woolford, K Wallace, J Wallace and Freeman. And paying Coutts off would be expensive and nonsensical. Someone would take him on loan and pay part of his wages, same with Freeman.

Could it be that we are trying to do deals to get people like Coutts out though? Looking to mutually terminate his contract if Burton are willing to take it on for example? More parties could protract the negotiations. Same could be true of McNulty to Portsmouth, Scougall to Fleetwood etc.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

They wouldn't be imposing a squad on anyone.

They'd be shifting out the blindingly obvious deadwood that they ought to have been well clued up about for months.

But opinion has been divided on whether some players should be retained (McGahey, McEveley, Cuvelier, Flynn and JCR to be specific). The rating of a player is subjective and will vary from manager to manager. For what it’s worth, I agree with you that I would release all of those players but the divide in opinion shows it’s not as simple as you make out and that a manager might want players the “competent” board-member doesn’t and vice-versa.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Brayford's contract was paid up

To do that would be utter madness. He could still command a fee if we wanted rid. He’s proven championship quality despite an indifferent spell last season. Reckon we’d still get at least £500k for him. Personally, I’d say only let him go if we could get £1million plus for him.

 

[sheffielder]

I would be very surprised if Basham is paid off.

He's a hard working player that can slot into a number of positions.

I agree but if it's true and it's 3 from Basham, Done, Woolford and Coutts then it's a toss up for the first 2. I would keep both because with a small squad they can both play numerous positions.

 

[Ricky]

Could it be that we are trying to do deals to get people like Coutts out though? Looking to mutually terminate his contract if Burton are willing to take it on for example? More parties could protract the negotiations. Same could be true of McNulty to Portsmouth, Scougall to Fleetwood etc.

We could get fees for some of them but may have to contribute to their wages for the remainder of their contracts with us. This would be the correct thing to do, rather than just paying them off. Woolford, fair enough, no one will take him, pay him off. But the likes of Coutts, Scougall and McNulty are good enough to at least get enough interest for clubs to pay part of their wages.

Btw, MULTI QUOTE!

 

[robbiez666]

I wonder how many of our players are already in Magaluf. I'm guessing they're not all easy to get hold of, let alone hold discussions with.

 

[Maidenhead]

I agree but if it's true and it's 3 from Basham, Done, Woolford and Coutts then it's a toss up for the first 2. I would keep both because with a small squad they can both play numerous positions.

I might happen to agree with you but it's not my job to sort out our bloated playing squad and turn it into a competitive unit

 

[sheffielder]

I wonder how many of our players are already in Magaluf. I'm guessing they're not all easy to get hold of, let alone hold discussions with.

Scougalls phone will be off so will be back with us in 6 weeks

 

[Barney]

But opinion has been divided on whether some players should be retained (McGahey, McEveley, Cuvelier, Flynn and JCR to be specific). The rating of a player is subjective and will vary from manager to manager. For what it’s worth, I agree with you that I would release all of those players but the divide in opinion shows it’s not as simple as you make out and that a manager might want players the “competent” board-member doesn’t and vice-versa.

So what if he might have wanted a player that would have been released?
The club should have seen enough and have enough knowledge and conviction about the players to go through with it and ask the manager to build on what's left.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Could it be that we are trying to do deals to get people like Coutts out though? Looking to mutually terminate his contract if Burton are willing to take it on for example? More parties could protract the negotiations. Same could be true of McNulty to Portsmouth, Scougall to Fleetwood etc.

What happened to the good old "transfer list"?
United don't need to try and find a buyer for every player before making a decision on their future.
If we don't want to keep a player, we just announce that they're available for transfer, sit back and watch the offers come flooding in
It's up to the player and his agent to try and find a new club, Wilder has got enough on his plate.

 

[Treeton Blade]

What happened to the good old "transfer list"?
United don't need to try and find a buyer for every player before making a decision on their future.
If we don't want to keep a player, we just announce that they're available for transfer, sit back and watch the offers come flooding in
It's up to the player and his agent to try and find a new club, Wilder has got enough on his plate.

Because if we put Woolford on the transfer list, we would still be waiting for the phone to ring in 12 months time when his contract expires

 

[Maidenhead]

What happened to the good old "transfer list"?
United don't need to try and find a buyer for every player before making a decision on their future.
If we don't want to keep a player, we just announce that they're available for transfer, sit back and watch the offers come flooding in
It's up to the player and his agent to try and find a new club, Wilder has got enough on his plate.

That's the problem.

Why would they try if we're paying them over the going rate.

Better for all parties to agree a settlement that means that they can afford to move on and we can get them out of the club

 

[blades78]

I wonder how many of our players are already in Magaluf. I'm guessing they're not all easy to get hold of, let alone hold discussions with.

Louis Reed twitter suggests that him, che, dcl and long were in the gym today. I'm assuming at the academy.

 

[PeteBlade]

They could have done if they were competent and knowledgable enough, but they're not.

But its widely accepted that they aren't.
So pissing and moaning about why we haven't is just stupid.

Never mind the line about "releasing everyone except Long would be widely accepted by the fanbase".

Which ones? The 20k each week or those sat at home?

 

[robbiez666]

Louis Reed twitter suggests that him, che, dcl and long were in the gym today. I'm assuming at the academy.