You still Clappin, Clappers...............?

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I'm a newbie on here, but I've been to the lane tonight and I think there are a lot of positives to be taken from the game. We're actually passing the ball and creating chances which is a vast improvement on last season!!

And a 100% improvement on the Hartlepool and QPR game.

It's early days so lets see what Sat brings!!!

Welcome bbladette. :wave:

I agree with you. The things that were wrong with tonight are easily rectified (suicidal defending) or beyond our control (lady luck).

It's wierd but I'm really positive after taking a whupping from Scunthorpe United. At home. :D

PS - What's the extra 'b' for? Twitchy keyboard finger? ;)
 

Glad to see people are still encouraged. Its very disappointing, any home defeat is bad, 4-0 just looks worse. People looking in who werent there (me included but I will be making an appearance Saturday) see it and think oh god we got hammered. Ofcourse, I will be more concerned if we play like this again on Saturday and do not score. 3 goals in 7 games is not good enough. Surely, this must be addressed soon. A striker, a good goal scorer is a must. Any thoughts?

Discussing some strikers close to me - Daniel Pacheco at Liverpool has been getting rave ratings in Liverpool reserves, he also won the golden boot in the last U19 World Cup.
 
You have performed a great service to all Blades tonight, Torrix. No matter how disappointed we are at the result, you have reminded us that there are some things even crappier than losing 4-0 at home.

Like losing 3-0 at home to QPR. Strange but true...
 
Ridiculous opening post.

First half: United hit post twice through Evans and Ward, Bartley misses free header, Cresswell inexplicably shoots when he should slide the ball across for an Evans tap-in and misses, United have several other half chances and opportunities and dominate the play. Scunthorpe sucker punch United with a blatant handball and a deadly finish. 0-1 at half time but a standing ovation and general support for the team.

Second half: Scunthorpe have a five minute spell around the hour mark, their only spell of the game. During this period, the United defence decide to make two suicidal mistakes. Someone (Nos?) loses his man at a corner, free header, 2-0 Scunny. A few minutes later, Nos tries to play out of trouble instead of being a defender, chaos ensues and Scunny get a third. By this time, we've had a goal chalked off questionably and a penalty turned down. United resume dominance of the game and have a few chance to give themselves a glimmer of hope but it dwindles away. A long punt forward and Nos is in trouble (again), Simonsen has to do something and does the right things until he decides to pass it instead of knocking it forward. Scunthorpe player hits it goalwards and it drifts into a empty net for 0-4.

Scunthorpe, as far as I could see, had probably six shots, four on target, four goals. They were, in a word, 'clinical' when they got their chances. The ref gifted them one goal and we gifted them the other three. Madness.

Nobody could have argued if we'd gone in 4-1 up at half time. We were that dominant. That, and Nos' performance, are my only grumbles tonight. We created enough to win the game - yes, we deserved to win - and on another day, we'd have taken a comfortable three points. Speed has the team playing the right way, it's coming together - we just need some luck and some lethalness in front of goal. Britton was the best player on the pitch - and he played on the side that lost 4-0. Says it all.

I don't know your reasons for not being at the game Torrix but maybe you should gauge the reaction of those who have attended before you come on and slate the team. I'll not be the only one saying how well we played and how much we didn't deserve what we got. This whole 'clappers' and 'knockers' thing - completely juvenile by the way, if I were Foxy/Linz, I'd ban the next user to put it in the thread title - is bringing this board down to school playground level. We're all United fans aren't we? So get behind the lads - as most at the Lane did tonight until they realised that it wasn't our night - and give Speed the backing because he is going to take us forward if the fans and the board back him. He's imposing a new style that is entertaining to watch with a bunch of players brought in by another manager who had a completely different tactical outlook. We're not a million miles away from being a very good side at this level. Give him chance.
 
Agree Morgan in for Nos, but who will take Monty's place? There were quite a few poor performances tonight but once again Monty was woeful beyond belief and hopefully Speed will have now realised we can no longer carry a player of such ineptness.

Morgs back in v Pompey, yes, but I would also drop Chedward and give Boggy a chance. Lets be fair, he wouldn't do any worse now would he?

The second half we had 3 right wingers. Ward and Calve interchanging with Chedward wanting a piece of the action out there as well! WTF?

He's supposed to be our main striker. Will someone tell him he needs to be in the box in front of goal to give himself a chance of meeting some of the crosses that come in, or at least pick up the odd second ball!

Dagnall, a free transfer gave our Chedward a lesson in what a striker should be like!
 
Boggy in for Evans & Morgan in for Nos on Saturday.

Proper stange game that, but if you dont take your chances then you pay...........

We need a striker who can hit the net badly.
 
You're right to recognise the better football Wombwell but way too optimistic. Losing 4-0 and 3-0 at home in two out of your first three home games is usually the prelude to a fight against relegation.
Chuck in three goals scored in seven games and the real problems are unavoidable.
 
Ridiculous opening post.

First half: United hit post twice through Evans and Ward, Bartley misses free header, Cresswell inexplicably shoots when he should slide the ball across for an Evans tap-in and misses, United have several other half chances and opportunities and dominate the play. Scunthorpe sucker punch United with a blatant handball and a deadly finish. 0-1 at half time but a standing ovation and general support for the team.

Second half: Scunthorpe have a five minute spell around the hour mark, their only spell of the game. During this period, the United defence decide to make two suicidal mistakes. Someone (Nos?) loses his man at a corner, free header, 2-0 Scunny. A few minutes later, Nos tries to play out of trouble instead of being a defender, chaos ensues and Scunny get a third. By this time, we've had a goal chalked off questionably and a penalty turned down. United resume dominance of the game and have a few chance to give themselves a glimmer of hope but it dwindles away. A long punt forward and Nos is in trouble (again), Simonsen has to do something and does the right things until he decides to pass it instead of knocking it forward. Scunthorpe player hits it goalwards and it drifts into a empty net for 0-4.

Scunthorpe, as far as I could see, had probably six shots, four on target, four goals. They were, in a word, 'clinical' when they got their chances. The ref gifted them one goal and we gifted them the other three. Madness.

Nobody could have argued if we'd gone in 4-1 up at half time. We were that dominant. That, and Nos' performance, are my only grumbles tonight. We created enough to win the game - yes, we deserved to win - and on another day, we'd have taken a comfortable three points. Speed has the team playing the right way, it's coming together - we just need some luck and some lethalness in front of goal. Britton was the best player on the pitch - and he played on the side that lost 4-0. Says it all.

I don't know your reasons for not being at the game Torrix but maybe you should gauge the reaction of those who have attended before you come on and slate the team. I'll not be the only one saying how well we played and how much we didn't deserve what we got. This whole 'clappers' and 'knockers' thing - completely juvenile by the way, if I were Foxy/Linz, I'd ban the next user to put it in the thread title - is bringing this board down to school playground level. We're all United fans aren't we? So get behind the lads - as most at the Lane did tonight until they realised that it wasn't our night - and give Speed the backing because he is going to take us forward if the fans and the board back him. He's imposing a new style that is entertaining to watch with a bunch of players brought in by another manager who had a completely different tactical outlook. We're not a million miles away from being a very good side at this level. Give him chance.

Wise words indeed.

One quibble... Scunny's fourth might have been truly awful defending but the bloke's first-time finish was an absolute dream. 40 yards out, first time hit, bent into the net... I applauded it was that sweet.
 
You're right to recognise the better football Wombwell but way too optimistic. Losing 4-0 and 3-0 at home in two out of your first three home games is usually the prelude to a fight against relegation.
Chuck in three goals scored in seven games and the real problems are unavoidable.

The 3-0 to QPR is now irrelevant to the topic. We are under a new manager.

The 4-0 loss is a bad result but let's not go mental about it. With a decent referee and a decent performance from our key centre back and strikers, we'd have reversed the scoreline and won 4-0. I'm not quibbling that we need a new striker - we clearly do - but the performance was so much better. We'll play worse than that this season and win games, guaranteed.
 
Ridiculous opening post.

First half: United hit post twice through Evans and Ward, Bartley misses free header, Cresswell inexplicably shoots when he should slide the ball across for an Evans tap-in and misses, United have several other half chances and opportunities and dominate the play. Scunthorpe sucker punch United with a blatant handball and a deadly finish. 0-1 at half time but a standing ovation and general support for the team.

Second half: Scunthorpe have a five minute spell around the hour mark, their only spell of the game. During this period, the United defence decide to make two suicidal mistakes. Someone (Nos?) loses his man at a corner, free header, 2-0 Scunny. A few minutes later, Nos tries to play out of trouble instead of being a defender, chaos ensues and Scunny get a third. By this time, we've had a goal chalked off questionably and a penalty turned down. United resume dominance of the game and have a few chance to give themselves a glimmer of hope but it dwindles away. A long punt forward and Nos is in trouble (again), Simonsen has to do something and does the right things until he decides to pass it instead of knocking it forward. Scunthorpe player hits it goalwards and it drifts into a empty net for 0-4.

Scunthorpe, as far as I could see, had probably six shots, four on target, four goals. They were, in a word, 'clinical' when they got their chances. The ref gifted them one goal and we gifted them the other three. Madness.

Nobody could have argued if we'd gone in 4-1 up at half time. We were that dominant. That, and Nos' performance, are my only grumbles tonight. We created enough to win the game - yes, we deserved to win - and on another day, we'd have taken a comfortable three points. Speed has the team playing the right way, it's coming together - we just need some luck and some lethalness in front of goal. Britton was the best player on the pitch - and he played on the side that lost 4-0. Says it all.

I don't know your reasons for not being at the game Torrix but maybe you should gauge the reaction of those who have attended before you come on and slate the team. I'll not be the only one saying how well we played and how much we didn't deserve what we got. This whole 'clappers' and 'knockers' thing - completely juvenile by the way, if I were Foxy/Linz, I'd ban the next user to put it in the thread title - is bringing this board down to school playground level. We're all United fans aren't we? So get behind the lads - as most at the Lane did tonight until they realised that it wasn't our night - and give Speed the backing because he is going to take us forward if the fans and the board back him. He's imposing a new style that is entertaining to watch with a bunch of players brought in by another manager who had a completely different tactical outlook. We're not a million miles away from being a very good side at this level. Give him chance.

Same here. Should have been miles ahead at half-time, but somehow went in 0-1. Scunny then put a man on Britton and we struggled to play as well. Still had plenty more chances, but we gifted them two goals (their other two were class finishes).

Nyron has been threatening to give stupid goals away since he was born, and tonight was his night.

Morgan will come back in, lessons will hopefully be learned, and somebody will take a spanking from us eventually.

0-4 to Scunny but sanguine is a strange feeling. :)

Can't be arsed to get into any pointless debates with opening posts like that. Suffice to say JD and Wombwell have summed it up perfectly for me. I've never come away from a 4-0 defeat sanguine before. Scunthorpe will probably not do that again this season and I doubt we will. Bring on Saturday.
 
Ridiculous opening post.

First half: United hit post twice through Evans and Ward, Bartley misses free header, Cresswell inexplicably shoots when he should slide the ball across for an Evans tap-in and misses, United have several other half chances and opportunities and dominate the play. Scunthorpe sucker punch United with a blatant handball and a deadly finish. 0-1 at half time but a standing ovation and general support for the team.

Second half: Scunthorpe have a five minute spell around the hour mark, their only spell of the game. During this period, the United defence decide to make two suicidal mistakes. Someone (Nos?) loses his man at a corner, free header, 2-0 Scunny. A few minutes later, Nos tries to play out of trouble instead of being a defender, chaos ensues and Scunny get a third. By this time, we've had a goal chalked off questionably and a penalty turned down. United resume dominance of the game and have a few chance to give themselves a glimmer of hope but it dwindles away. A long punt forward and Nos is in trouble (again), Simonsen has to do something and does the right things until he decides to pass it instead of knocking it forward. Scunthorpe player hits it goalwards and it drifts into a empty net for 0-4.

Scunthorpe, as far as I could see, had probably six shots, four on target, four goals. They were, in a word, 'clinical' when they got their chances. The ref gifted them one goal and we gifted them the other three. Madness.

Nobody could have argued if we'd gone in 4-1 up at half time. We were that dominant. That, and Nos' performance, are my only grumbles tonight. We created enough to win the game - yes, we deserved to win - and on another day, we'd have taken a comfortable three points. Speed has the team playing the right way, it's coming together - we just need some luck and some lethalness in front of goal. Britton was the best player on the pitch - and he played on the side that lost 4-0. Says it all.

I don't know your reasons for not being at the game Torrix but maybe you should gauge the reaction of those who have attended before you come on and slate the team. I'll not be the only one saying how well we played and how much we didn't deserve what we got. This whole 'clappers' and 'knockers' thing - completely juvenile by the way, if I were Foxy/Linz, I'd ban the next user to put it in the thread title - is bringing this board down to school playground level. We're all United fans aren't we? So get behind the lads - as most at the Lane did tonight until they realised that it wasn't our night - and give Speed the backing because he is going to take us forward if the fans and the board back him. He's imposing a new style that is entertaining to watch with a bunch of players brought in by another manager who had a completely different tactical outlook. We're not a million miles away from being a very good side at this level. Give him chance.

I could have summed that up in much less ..... 9 words in fact: worst home result since I've been watching the Blades.
 
The 3-0 to QPR is now irrelevant to the topic. We are under a new manager.

The 4-0 loss is a bad result but let's not go mental about it. With a decent referee and a decent performance from our key centre back and strikers, we'd have reversed the scoreline and won 4-0. I'm not quibbling that we need a new striker - we clearly do - but the performance was so much better. We'll play worse than that this season and win games, guaranteed.

Can't agree. We have to remember we were playing Scunny tonight and did lose 4-0.
We played better football at times but were largely woeful in the final third, particularly after the first half hour, and defensively the facts speak for themselves.
However pretty our football might become the object remains putting the ball in the net and stopping the other team do likewise.
We had major problems in both areas tonight.
 
Can't agree. We have to remember we were playing Scunny tonight and did lose 4-0.
We played better football at times but were largely woeful in the final third, particularly after the first half hour, and defensively the facts speak for themselves.
However pretty our football might become the object remains putting the ball in the net and stopping the other team do likewise.
We had major problems in both areas tonight.

To be fair to the defence, they had conceded one in the previous three games.

The problems up front are very clear for all to see. Nowt too wrong with the rest of it - look at the number of chances we have created in the last 2 matches.

I still maintain that some pace on at least one flank and a decent finisher will see us OK. And please Lee Williamson, get fit soon & stay fit.

I also think that we need to give Speed time and, more importantly, patience. He is trying to change a deeply embedded style of play, and for a while it might be 2 steps forward followed by 1 step back.

Lets see what Saturday brings, it will give tonight some much needed context, one way or the other.
 

To be fair to the defence, they had conceded one in the previous three games.

The problems up front are very clear for all to see. Nowt too wrong with the rest of it - look at the number of chances we have created in the last 2 matches.

I still maintain that some pace on at least one flank and a decent finisher will see us OK. And please Lee Williamson, get fit soon & stay fit.

I also think that we need to give Speed time and, more importantly, patience. He is trying to change a deeply embedded style of play, and for a while it might be 2 steps forward followed by 1 step back.

Lets see what Saturday brings, it will give tonight some much needed context, one way or the other.

Quite happy to give Speed time and patience but the poor bloke has an impossible task with the tools at his disposal.

It's all about a lack of pace for me. Scunthorpe are a really weak team and yet I never felt we had them under severe pressure. Ched obviouisly had a good little burst and shot, Cresswell got free after really good work and blew it but other than that the threat came from corners, which is great, and not much else. I donlt think we got behind em other than the cresswell effort. I was right behind him running in and thought the shot was on and defenders blocked square ball. Keeper out very quick but a very weak effort.

The game was fine to watch, no complaints there but if the game is about defending well and scoring goals we are in serious difficulty and heading for bottom 8 all season.

Forte best striker on pitch by a mile.
 
I actually enjoyed the way we played tonight and left the ground feeling much happier than I had done after some victories under Blackwell.

There again, I am a loony....
 
I actually enjoyed the way we played tonight and left the ground feeling much happier than I had done after some victories under Blackwell.

There again, I am a loony....

I'd take a scrappy 1-0 win over an embarrassing 4-0 defeat any day. Ok - we played some decent football in the first half but our finishing & defending throughout were abysmal.
 
I could have summed that up in much less ..... 9 words in fact: worst home result since I've been watching the Blades.

Sometimes you have to look beyond the result. We were not great against PNE but won. In the same way as you don't get carried away by that win, you don't get downbeat about a good performance that ends up in a bizarre and completely undeserved 'hammering' ... Freak results happen and it did tonight. As someone else says, Scunny hit the jackpot tonight. For the way the game went, that was a 1 in a 1000 result.

Can't agree. We have to remember we were playing Scunny tonight and did lose 4-0.
We played better football at times but were largely woeful in the final third, particularly after the first half hour, and defensively the facts speak for themselves.
However pretty our football might become the object remains putting the ball in the net and stopping the other team do likewise.
We had major problems in both areas tonight.

Better football after what we've seen for last year is a breath of fresh air.

We ran out of ideas in the final third but we created many chances that we should have tucked away to win the game. If Ched scores when he hit the post, we go on and win the game, no doubts for me.

Defensively, we were poor. Nosworthy was the biggest culprit by a mile though and made horrendous mistakes. He dragged Bartley down with him and Calve and Jordan weren't as good tonight.

Your comment on the pretty football is all well and good but weren't you slagging KB for the unpretty football that - for at least a season and a half - was pretty effective in terms of results?
 
hopefully we've got our bad luck, bad ref, and bad mistakes out of the way for the rest of the season and this wont happen again. hopefully..

but no matter how 'good' the performance was, 0-4 at home against ANYONE on ANY DAY is a shockingly awful result.
 
Sometimes you have to look beyond the result. We were not great against PNE but won. In the same way as you don't get carried away by that win, you don't get downbeat about a good performance that ends up in a bizarre and completely undeserved 'hammering' ... Freak results happen and it did tonight. As someone else says, Scunny hit the jackpot tonight. For the way the game went, that was a 1 in a 1000 result.



Better football after what we've seen for last year is a breath of fresh air.

We ran out of ideas in the final third but we created many chances that we should have tucked away to win the game. If Ched scores when he hit the post, we go on and win the game, no doubts for me.

Defensively, we were poor. Nosworthy was the biggest culprit by a mile though and made horrendous mistakes. He dragged Bartley down with him and Calve and Jordan weren't as good tonight.

Your comment on the pretty football is all well and good but weren't you slagging KB for the unpretty football that - for at least a season and a half - was pretty effective in terms of results?

I've watched United for a long time and can count on the fingers on little more than one hand the years we've really tried to play football.
After Currie and Woodward, it's only really been under Kendall and Spackman.
I like the idea we might be trying again but I don't want it to lead to League One - and I can see Speed has got real problems with the tools at his disposal.
 
Hmmmm.... One of the stranger games in my long association with SUFC.... Easily could have been 4 up at HT but after the second strike of the woodwork I sort of knew it wasn't our night and it being Scunny the writing was on the wall. But 0-4! that was rubbing the noses in it and the most damaging thing apart from our goals against column is the psychological effect (Torrix won't understand that bit!) it could have on the players. They looked pretty demoralised at the end and when there are only about 2K of your fans left in the ground that won't help their state of mind either...
Two of the goals were catastrophic and comedic - Nos was at his worst and Simmo leaves me concerned at some of his standards - his decision making is suspect at times.
The trick is - how will we recover for Saturday against, on paper a far superior team to Scunny who to their credit, outwitted us tactically by nullifying the Calve threat by defending him well in our half, he never had any space in front of him in which to work in as he did against Preston & Derby.
Monty maybe needs to sit it out (never thought I'd say that!) and a different typeplayer fill his role in this system- Quinny maybe more suited? I think Yeates should come infor Ward who is an enigma at the moment. Other than that, a massive confidence injection and lets see how they recover on Saturday (which i miss as I'll be away on hol, thank God!)
 
yet I never felt we had them under severe pressure. Ched obviouisly had a good little burst and shot, Cresswell got free after really good work and blew it but other than that the threat came from corners, which is great, and not much else.

Ward hit the post, we had a couple cleared off the line and two chalked off. I don't think the problem was a lack of pressure, we had ample chances to win the game.

Their first was incredibly bad refereeing and changed the game.
 
Sunderland also beat us 4-0 at home.

I see by the time of your post Torrix you didn't go. Nuff said.
 
>9 words in fact: worst home result since I've been watching the Blades.
heh.. you aren't as old as i thought then.. olle.. i've defended you in the past, but mate.. you're sounding more and more like some unclean WUM by the day
 
As some have said. a very strange game and I didnt come out too disheartened, however there were obviously a few problem areas to work on.

I think Scunthorpe began to sus us out and pushed the two forwards quite high up the pitch when Simmo had the ball, forcing us to kick it. Scunthorpe also kicked the ball forward alot more than Derby which stopped our high up the pitch pressing game.

We need some pace on the left side. Britton played a few good balls into space down that side that Cresswell was too slow to run onto.

As Presty said we need one of the midfielders to get into the box to support the strikers. I dont see that player in the midfield 3 we have at the moment.

We need someone to stick the ball in the net on a consistent basis !!

Its early days and the changes Speed is implementing are going to take time.
 
I've watched United for a long time and can count on the fingers on little more than one hand the years we've really tried to play football.
After Currie and Woodward, it's only really been under Kendall and Spackman.
I like the idea we might be trying again but I don't want it to lead to League One - and I can see Speed has got real problems with the tools at his disposal.

Totally agree with that. I think the many of who have long yearned for a return to proper football are going to have to grit our teeth & accept that this could be a bumpy ride. Speed needs time, and above all patience, and we need to accept that occasionally things like last night might happen. In my view, it is worth it for the long term benefits.

Enough on here were desperate for Sean O'Driscoll to replace Blackwell. His start at Donnie was hardly auspicious, and there were calls for his head. It took him many months to instil what he wanted in terms of both playing style and getting results, and we must be prepared for it to be the same with Speed. The last thing we need is a knee jerk reaction to a freak result which sees us regressing to a Blackwell style.
 
Totally agree with that. I think the many of who have long yearned for a return to proper football are going to have to grit our teeth & accept that this could be a bumpy ride. Speed needs time, and above all patience, and we need to accept that occasionally things like last night might happen. In my view, it is worth it for the long term benefits.

Enough on here were desperate for Sean O'Driscoll to replace Blackwell. His start at Donnie was hardly auspicious, and there were calls for his head. It took him many months to instil what he wanted in terms of both playing style and getting results, and we must be prepared for it to be the same with Speed. The last thing we need is a knee jerk reaction to a freak result which sees us regressing to a Blackwell style.

bang on the money pal.
 
excellent post..
didn't wigan hammer us at home in promotion year?.. and it was on the tv
 

excellent post..
didn't wigan hammer us at home in promotion year?.. and it was on the tv

They were already in the Prem that year weren't they?

They mullered us by four a couple of years prior. That was when people were writing Jags off as too lightwieght. Ha!
 

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