Writing McBurnie off after starting in 5 games

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McBurnie is one of those surprisingly rare players blessed with a 5-syllable name that lends itself nicely to the Jeremy Corbyn tune. Shame he's not yet been good enough to earn it. You could try it with Basham ("Oh, Chris-to-pher Baaaaa - shum") if you want to get a lifetime ban. Thankfully we've got David Mcgoldrick.

It's 6 syllable's actually. (At least it is, if you use the full name, "Olive McBurnie). Anyhow, I don't think it's his syllables that are getting in the way).
 
Have you got a good track record for predicting the potential for players?
Out there.

In plain sight.

Dem 👀 don’t lie 😀.

Out of curiosity, at what point do the McBaffling apologists throw in the towel ?

How bad must it get ?

Or, more realistically, will the party line always be that he will “come good” ?

Eventually 😉.

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Absolutely no doubt he’ll be a hit and Wilder/Knill are the perfect duo to make him the player he can be.
He’s not our record signing and on a 4 year contract for nothing.
Even someone as blinkered as you has to concede there's room for some doubt, surely?
 
Out there.

In plain sight.

Dem 👀 don’t lie 😀.

Out of curiosity, at what point do the McBaffling apologists throw in the towel ?

How bad must it get ?

Or, more realistically, will the party line always be that he will “come good” ?

Eventually 😉.

UTB


Sorry? Is that a yes or a no? 🤔
 
I think folks fall into 3 camps about most topics, including McBurnie:

On one side we have the 😇 :

The 😇 are the ones that will inherit the earth. The meek. They are not to be messed with. They believe that all things and all people will come good eventually. Even if we signed the biggest load of old horseshit in the world, they'd be the ones saying, "he'll come good" eventually, because they like to be ultra-positive about everything and it particularly suits them to defend the indefensible, just on the odd-chance, that they may be right. Then they can claim to have some superior insight or intelligence to the rest of us - which they see as justification for their position. You can easily spot these because they won't usually use facts to back up their stance on a subject, they'll leave that to others, preferring instead to give a "he'll come good" without any justification for it, other than feelings or emotions. It will be about "faith" and "trust" and "beliefs", not about facts.

Then there are the opposites to the 😇:

The 👺:

The 👺 are a nasty piece of work. They are only happy when they are contradicting someone else and making folks feel upset. They love nothing more than to start an argument about any subject at all. If you say, "Good morning" to them, they'd argue there's nothing "good" about it. When it comes to football they just love to have a whipping boy or scapegoat. These folks are basically unhappy with themselves and their pitiful little lives, so they look for something or someone to lash out at. Their views on football cannot be taken seriously, because it's not coming from a rational, objective perspective, it's coming from a position of anger with themselves and that taints everything they look at. They actually want players to fail, because it gives them a sense of pleasure to have predicted it. And if they get it wrong then they'll quickly move on to the next hate target. You can never win an argument with a 👺. So it's not even worth trying. Just leave them to it and be grateful that you aren't similarly affected.

I think the majority of views on McBurnie so far though, fall into neither of the above camps. They belong to a group I think of as the 🤔:

The 🤔 are a rational group of people. The thinkers. They don't jump to conclusions and they don't excessively love, or hate players. But, when they see things that concern them, they aren't afraid to voice that and actually they don't mind being wrong either. They are open-minded and fair and they deal in rational and objective thoughts. You get quite a range of views from the 🤔 . It's not important for them to agree with each other. They don't love or hate someone because they have a different viewpoint to them. Rather, they find it interesting that people have differences and seek to understand that. We have some 🤔 on here who are of the opinion that McBurnie
hasn't looked impressive so far because he hasn't had the service, or has been played in the wrong formation or with the wrong players, or that it's simply too soon to tell. Then we have other 🤔 on here, who, whilst not doubting these things may be a factor, still think they do not explain, or justify, why he hasn't shown more than he has so far.

Don't confuse a 🤔 with a 😇 or a 👺.

I'd put myself into the camp of thinking it's early days yet, but the early signs aren't good. And the fact he behaves like an idiot off the field doesn't endear me to him. Not sure which of the above camps that puts me into - but I'm happy to hold that opinion until it's proven wrong.
 
I’m a nice guy.

Really I am.

But as with your question, ultimately you will be the judge of that.

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Christ, your like a politician: ask a straight forward question and get an unrelated answer, along with assurances you're a nice guy.

All I'm asking is have you made many predictions about players before, and have they been correct?
 
I think folks fall into 3 camps about most topics, including McBurnie:

On one side we have the 😇 :

The 😇 are the ones that will inherit the earth. The meek. They are not to be messed with. They believe that all things and all people will come good eventually. Even if we signed the biggest load of old horseshit in the world, they'd be the ones saying, "he'll come good" eventually, because they like to be ultra-positive about everything and it particularly suits them to defend the indefensible, just on the odd-chance, that they may be right. Then they can claim to have some superior insight or intelligence to the rest of us - which they see as justification for their position. You can easily spot these because they won't usually use facts to back up their stance on a subject, they'll leave that to others, preferring instead to give a "he'll come good" without any justification for it, other than feelings or emotions. It will be about "faith" and "trust" and "beliefs", not about facts.

Then there are the opposites to the 😇:

The 👺:

The 👺 are a nasty piece of work. They are only happy when they are contradicting someone else and making folks feel upset. They love nothing more than to start an argument about any subject at all. If you say, "Good morning" to them, they'd argue there's nothing "good" about it. When it comes to football they just love to have a whipping boy or scapegoat. These folks are basically unhappy with themselves and their pitiful little lives, so they look for something or someone to lash out at. Their views on football cannot be taken seriously, because it's not coming from a rational, objective perspective, it's coming from a position of anger with themselves and that taints everything they look at. They actually want players to fail, because it gives them a sense of pleasure to have predicted it. And if they get it wrong then they'll quickly move on to the next hate target. You can never win an argument with a 👺. So it's not even worth trying. Just leave them to it and be grateful that you aren't similarly affected.

I think the majority of views on McBurnie so far though, fall into neither of the above camps. They belong to a group I think of as the 🤔:

The 🤔 are a rational group of people. The thinkers. They don't jump to conclusions and they don't excessively love, or hate players. But, when they see things that concern them, they aren't afraid to voice that and actually they don't mind being wrong either. They are open-minded and fair and they deal in rational and objective thoughts. You get quite a range of views from the 🤔 . It's not important for them to agree with each other. They don't love or hate someone because they have a different viewpoint to them. Rather, they find it interesting that people have differences and seek to understand that. We have some 🤔 on here who are of the opinion that McBurnie
hasn't looked impressive so far because he hasn't had the service, or has been played in the wrong formation or with the wrong players, or that it's simply too soon to tell. Then we have other 🤔 on here, who, whilst not doubting these things may be a factor, still think they do not explain, or justify, why he hasn't shown more than he has so far.

Don't confuse a 🤔 with a 😇 or a 👺.

I'd put myself into the camp of thinking it's early days yet, but the early signs aren't good. And the fact he behaves like an idiot off the field doesn't endear me to him. Not sure which of the above camps that puts me into - but I'm happy to hold that opinion until it's proven wrong.
You could have avoided war and piece by simply stating that those of us that have called this one correctly are pissing off those that didn’t or haven’t !!

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Christ, your like a politician: ask a straight forward question and get an unrelated answer, along with assurances you're a nice guy.

All I'm asking is have you made many predictions about players before, and have they been correct?
Alright then no.

Never.

Not once.

Hope this helps.

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Going from responding like a politician to responding like a grumpy child - I think that's an improvement?
Politician ?

Grumpy child ?

Loaded questions, as with dodgy footballers, are easily seen for those of us with 👀 good enough to spot em a mile off 😀.

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And I am neither a politician or a grumpy child.

My track record on the subject you enquire of is out there.

Do your own homework and form your own opinion.

UTB

How self-absorbed are you? You have over 5000 posts, I'm hardly going to go through them, am I?

The only reason I likened you to a politician or grumpy child is because that's the way you were behaving, I see little's changed.

Had I been talking to a normal posters, I would have expected an answer along the following lines:
"Yes, I've got a good track record, I wrote off Ricky Holmes and Chris Hussey from day 1, and my opinion was vindicated" or "No, to be honest, I thought Lundstram and Coutts were shite and they both proved me wrong"

Anyway, this has been fun. 🤷‍♂️
 
I think folks fall into 3 camps about most topics, including McBurnie:

On one side we have the 😇 :

The 😇 are the ones that will inherit the earth. The meek. They are not to be messed with. They believe that all things and all people will come good eventually. Even if we signed the biggest load of old horseshit in the world, they'd be the ones saying, "he'll come good" eventually, because they like to be ultra-positive about everything and it particularly suits them to defend the indefensible, just on the odd-chance, that they may be right. Then they can claim to have some superior insight or intelligence to the rest of us - which they see as justification for their position. You can easily spot these because they won't usually use facts to back up their stance on a subject, they'll leave that to others, preferring instead to give a "he'll come good" without any justification for it, other than feelings or emotions. It will be about "faith" and "trust" and "beliefs", not about facts.

Then there are the opposites to the 😇:

The 👺:

The 👺 are a nasty piece of work. They are only happy when they are contradicting someone else and making folks feel upset. They love nothing more than to start an argument about any subject at all. If you say, "Good morning" to them, they'd argue there's nothing "good" about it. When it comes to football they just love to have a whipping boy or scapegoat. These folks are basically unhappy with themselves and their pitiful little lives, so they look for something or someone to lash out at. Their views on football cannot be taken seriously, because it's not coming from a rational, objective perspective, it's coming from a position of anger with themselves and that taints everything they look at. They actually want players to fail, because it gives them a sense of pleasure to have predicted it. And if they get it wrong then they'll quickly move on to the next hate target. You can never win an argument with a 👺. So it's not even worth trying. Just leave them to it and be grateful that you aren't similarly affected.

I think the majority of views on McBurnie so far though, fall into neither of the above camps. They belong to a group I think of as the 🤔:

The 🤔 are a rational group of people. The thinkers. They don't jump to conclusions and they don't excessively love, or hate players. But, when they see things that concern them, they aren't afraid to voice that and actually they don't mind being wrong either. They are open-minded and fair and they deal in rational and objective thoughts. You get quite a range of views from the 🤔 . It's not important for them to agree with each other. They don't love or hate someone because they have a different viewpoint to them. Rather, they find it interesting that people have differences and seek to understand that. We have some 🤔 on here who are of the opinion that McBurnie
hasn't looked impressive so far because he hasn't had the service, or has been played in the wrong formation or with the wrong players, or that it's simply too soon to tell. Then we have other 🤔 on here, who, whilst not doubting these things may be a factor, still think they do not explain, or justify, why he hasn't shown more than he has so far.

Don't confuse a 🤔 with a 😇 or a 👺.

I'd put myself into the camp of thinking it's early days yet, but the early signs aren't good. And the fact he behaves like an idiot off the field doesn't endear me to him. Not sure which of the above camps that puts me into - but I'm happy to hold that opinion until it's proven wrong.

Are you John Bercow? 🤔
 
My mate asked me to describe Mcburnie's playing style. I said he runs around like a headless chicken and kicks and heads anything that moves.

We then decided that could describe any Scottish footballer in the history of football.
 
My mate asked me to describe Mcburnie's playing style. I said he runs around like a headless chicken and kicks and heads anything that moves.

We then decided that could describe any Scottish footballer in the history of football.
Try using that for Ryan Flynn...
 
My mate asked me to describe Mcburnie's playing style. I said he runs around like a headless chicken and kicks and heads anything that moves.

Do you know what, I’d be happy with that, but he doesn’t run, he fucking minces.

He honestly runs like he’s walked out of Dempsys and seen them putting the shutters down on the kebab van!

I watch him in the warm up and I can feel my blood pressure increasing so I have to look away 😡😡
 
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Christ, your like a politician: ask a straight forward question and get an unrelated answer, along with assurances you're a nice guy.

All I'm asking is have you made many predictions about players before, and have they been correct?
He absolutely hated and still hates Leon Clarke, even after his 4 goals against Hull and of course his double at the Sty. I wouldn’t take him too seriously, no one else does.
 
Don't believe so.
Go back, see how many people agreed with me to those agreeing with you and we’ll find you’re very much in a minority so I’m not going to waste my time going over old ground.

Enjoy wanting one of our own to fail to prove yourself right on an Internet forum, it makes for a really cheery disposition I bet.
 
He has done, turned up for the Arsenal game with a sensible haircut and a tidy beard.

Think people need to realise we're in the Premier League now, a £18.5m striker is expected to be an 8-10 goals striker at best.

It's really not a lot of money, that doesn't fit with a lot of our world views but it's the truth in the top tier.

Some teams have to take the hit on £50m players.
I don’t think he’s anywhere near got into his stride yet. He was unlucky to have a goal disallowed by VAR and he’s only started a handful of times. I’m still hopeful that he can turn it around, as with all strikers a couple of fluky goals can make all the difference, same goes for Billy going on one of his scoring runs.
 
He absolutely hated and still hates Leon Clarke, even after his 4 goals against Hull and of course his double at the Sty. I wouldn’t take him too seriously, no one else does.

Would that be the same Leon Clarke that we bought for a nominal fee, and was the 3rd highest scorer in the league in our first season back in the championship, with 19 goals in 39 games?
 
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Go back, see how many people agreed with me to those agreeing with you and we’ll find you’re very much in a minority so I’m not going to waste my time going over old ground.

Enjoy wanting one of our own to fail to prove yourself right on an Internet forum, it makes for a really cheery disposition I bet.
That must mean your right then. If you ever bothered to read anything before you replied in a juvenile, aggressive, or unhinged way, you'd see that on more than one occasion I'd pointed out that I desperately want Mcburnie to be a success, not a failure. You on the other hand wont even contemplate for one second that he might not be the player we'd hoped for and even given time might never be the player we'd hoped he be. Go on try it. Admit there's a possibility you could actually be wrong.
 

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