Writing McBurnie off after starting in 5 games

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I think folks fall into 3 camps about most topics, including McBurnie:

On one side we have the 😇 :

The 😇 are the ones that will inherit the earth. The meek. They are not to be messed with. They believe that all things and all people will come good eventually. Even if we signed the biggest load of old horseshit in the world, they'd be the ones saying, "he'll come good" eventually, because they like to be ultra-positive about everything and it particularly suits them to defend the indefensible, just on the odd-chance, that they may be right. Then they can claim to have some superior insight or intelligence to the rest of us - which they see as justification for their position. You can easily spot these because they won't usually use facts to back up their stance on a subject, they'll leave that to others, preferring instead to give a "he'll come good" without any justification for it, other than feelings or emotions. It will be about "faith" and "trust" and "beliefs", not about facts.

Then there are the opposites to the 😇:

The 👺:

The 👺 are a nasty piece of work. They are only happy when they are contradicting someone else and making folks feel upset. They love nothing more than to start an argument about any subject at all. If you say, "Good morning" to them, they'd argue there's nothing "good" about it. When it comes to football they just love to have a whipping boy or scapegoat. These folks are basically unhappy with themselves and their pitiful little lives, so they look for something or someone to lash out at. Their views on football cannot be taken seriously, because it's not coming from a rational, objective perspective, it's coming from a position of anger with themselves and that taints everything they look at. They actually want players to fail, because it gives them a sense of pleasure to have predicted it. And if they get it wrong then they'll quickly move on to the next hate target. You can never win an argument with a 👺. So it's not even worth trying. Just leave them to it and be grateful that you aren't similarly affected.

I think the majority of views on McBurnie so far though, fall into neither of the above camps. They belong to a group I think of as the 🤔:

The 🤔 are a rational group of people. The thinkers. They don't jump to conclusions and they don't excessively love, or hate players. But, when they see things that concern them, they aren't afraid to voice that and actually they don't mind being wrong either. They are open-minded and fair and they deal in rational and objective thoughts. You get quite a range of views from the 🤔 . It's not important for them to agree with each other. They don't love or hate someone because they have a different viewpoint to them. Rather, they find it interesting that people have differences and seek to understand that. We have some 🤔 on here who are of the opinion that McBurnie
hasn't looked impressive so far because he hasn't had the service, or has been played in the wrong formation or with the wrong players, or that it's simply too soon to tell. Then we have other 🤔 on here, who, whilst not doubting these things may be a factor, still think they do not explain, or justify, why he hasn't shown more than he has so far.

Don't confuse a 🤔 with a 😇 or a 👺.

I'd put myself into the camp of thinking it's early days yet, but the early signs aren't good. And the fact he behaves like an idiot off the field doesn't endear me to him. Not sure which of the above camps that puts me into - but I'm happy to hold that opinion until it's proven wrong.
So, in old money......

Clappers, Slashers and Fence Sitters.




lets not go back there!
 



And to add some perspective, Sharp has been written off and has started 0 games !

Nothing as blatant as skewed, biased opinion 😉.

UTB
 
And to add some perspective, Sharp has been written off and has started 0 games !

Nothing as blatant as skewed, biased opinion 😉.

UTB

Eh?

The only person who has written him off is our resident WUM who calls him Bladey Bill. You are in serious danger of straying into his straw man territory.

I think he is very much part of CW's plans and I expect him to feature in 20-30 games, but mostly as sub. I love the bloke but he is 33 and doesn't have the physical speed and strength to beat the best PL defenders. That said, he still has the fox in the box guile and will sniff out the odd goal here or there.

Maybe you should just concentrate on slagging off Leon for now, or has OMcB taken over his mantle for you?
 
Eh?

The only person who has written him off is our resident WUM who calls him Bladey Bill. You are in serious danger of straying into his straw man territory.

I think he is very much part of CW's plans and I expect him to feature in 20-30 games, but mostly as sub. I love the bloke but he is 33 and doesn't have the physical speed and strength to beat the best PL defenders. That said, he still has the fox in the box guile and will sniff out the odd goal here or there.

Maybe you should just concentrate on slagging off Leon for now, or has OMcB taken over his mantle for you?
Wow.

Thanks for that.

UTB
 
Just moi as it turns out 👍.

Obviously not just you, but apart from the blind Leon hatred, you are normally more supportive so I've been surprised you wrote OMcB off so early.

He's not played that well and been a silly twat off the pitch, but he is still young. CW and AK didn't just spunk £17m on a random player, so must have scouted him and seen attributes and skills they wanted in a striker. Given their track record, I'm more than happy to back their judgement but it does sadden me that normally more considered posters are joining in with the kicking.
 
Obviously not just you, but apart from the blind Leon hatred, you are normally more supportive so I've been surprised you wrote OMcB off so early.

He's not played that well and been a silly twat off the pitch, but he is still young. CW and AK didn't just spunk £17m on a random player, so must have scouted him and seen attributes and skills they wanted in a striker. Given their track record, I'm more than happy to back their judgement but it does sadden me that normally more considered posters are joining in with the kicking.
Where do you and others get “hatred” from ?

It’s utterly staggering to be honest.

You just won’t find it. Critical of football abilities and performances, absolutely.

Hatred ????

Do me a favour.

Unless I’m mistaken, this is a football forum where, among other things, folks will share opinions on all things football, and the club they support.

Or would you, and others, prefer to go down the “has McB shagged your missus” route ?

Again !!!!!!

UTB
 
Where do you and others get “hatred” from ?

It’s utterly staggering to be honest.

You just won’t find it. Critical of football abilities and performances, absolutely.

Hatred ????

Ok, I apologise for using hatred if it winds you up, but even after he'd got 4 in a game, you were still on his case. He wasn't the best striker we've ever had, but what a season he had in 2017/18 and you seemed to be about the only one not prepared to give him any credit.

Do me a favour.

Unless I’m mistaken, this is a football forum where, among other things, folks will share opinions on all things football, and the club they support.

Or would you, and others, prefer to go down the “has McB shagged your missus” route ?

Leave it out, you're better than that. Of course people will have opinions that don't match mine but I'm pretty fed up with the "Ollie McBurnie is shit" type of post. State his deficiencies by all means, but leave out the snidey digs.

He's not my missus's type, anyway, as she's not keen on the 'soap dodger look'.
 
Ok, I apologise for using hatred if it winds you up, but even after he'd got 4 in a game, you were still on his case. He wasn't the best striker we've ever had, but what a season he had in 2017/18 and you seemed to be about the only one not prepared to give him any credit.



Leave it out, you're better than that. Of course people will have opinions that don't match mine but I'm pretty fed up with the "Ollie McBurnie is shit" type of post. State his deficiencies by all means, but leave out the snidey digs.

He's not my missus's type, anyway, as she's not keen on the 'soap dodger look'.
1. You will find any number of positive things I have stated as regards Clarke. Admittedly there are plenty more negatives thrown in, but the fact is, folks remember what they WANT to remember. It’s human nature. Should you wish, I’ll drum up multiple quotes of mine either praising or thanking Clarke for his contribution.
2. Linked to the above, I always try and provide specifics as regards constructive criticism that I dish out. Not always obviously, but you will probably find historical messages that give specific reasons for my critique. It’s not blind, jumping on a bandwagon type criticism . It has gravitas and substance behind it. Always.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d also have you down as one of the boards more balanced posters, and if memory serves, our views on many things SUFC align quite well.

But i also ask you to view anything i state in a more balanced way.

Unlike others, you just won’t find the oh so common “our views differ so you must be a cock” type response from moi.

UTB
 
People take the critiques of players this message board too seriously at times. Some recent classic arguments I've had with some: Baldock and Fleck aren't good enough for the Prem (I won't mention Lundstram lol).
We've massively overpayed for Moose.
Stevens needs replacing and is largely responsible for United's post season drop of form.
That fraud Lee Evans is a good signing.
United's drop off in results with Lundstram in the team(post Coutts pre Prem ) is incontrovertible proof that he's responsible for United's drop of in form.
Lundstram doesn't have the technical ability to play for SUFC.
Egan is a good replacement for Basham and absolutely has not been brought in to replace the irreplaceable Stearman at the centre of the back three.
The various critics of Henderson from the previous season have even reappeared again this season.
I could bring up the spaffing at the great fees received and/or assessments of the potential of Brooks, Adams, Ramsale, DCL, Lowton, Quinn, Maguire (particularly comical this one) but I won't bother. My experience is that those that make the most acrid, erroneous criticisms are the last to hold their online hands up.

On Mcburnie: It's difficult to make a full assessment of a player that has been at United five minutes, but I can talk about his pre United career and the limited time we've seen so far.
When he made his breakthrough at the Dingles he played off of the big tatget men Kieffer Moore, and played the link role dropping into the midfielder and arriving late in the box. He had a big impact, so much so that my mates from that part of the world said they would've stayed up comfortably if they'd have had him all season. Last season at Swansea he had a similar impact playing with two pacy wide men in a front three. Swansea are a fluid, possession based team who were happy to see Mcburnie drop into the middle and arrive late into the box to finish off chances. Despite the number of impressive aerial goals he scores, a clear picture of Mcburnie can be arrived at. A lot of his best work is done on the floor in a deeper position, not wrestling the centre backs a long way from the midfielders having percentage balls launched in his direction.
Since he's moved to United, Mcburnie has somewhat strangely been used as a traditional number nine battering ram - with the likes of Sharp or Robinson playing off him. Two things have become patently obvious since he arrived at the club: one, he arrived nowhere near fit enough; two, he has to sort his off field behaviour out. For me his best performances were the Southampton game (particularly first half) when he got involved in the deep passing moves, and the Liverpool game when he was tasked with a deeper role playing in between TAA and Matip. Whether he can developed into this archetypal number nine remains to be seen.
 
Not McB's fault that the games awash with cash (well at the top) and clubs pay crazy over-the -top transfer fees
 
I think he's had a tough start really ,the games he's started were really when we were feeling our way in the division a little bit so he was feeding off scraps and chasing down which he did willingly, something that can't be said for other forwards we've had in the past. I reckon he'll be ok when he gets a run of games to settle in.
 



He is shit. He’s a Scottish striker who can’t get in the first 11 of Scotland.

What an absolute disaster wasting money on him.

I’m telling ya we should have looked abroad and stopped with the British bias.
 
Disregard everything of Mcburnies few games since September and look what he did for Swansea, Wilder knows what he does best, he's not like Mousse, that's a given but there's still a great footballer in him.

People take time to fit into our way of playing, it's starting to show that Robinson and Mcburnie add a different element.
 
Like for like change, nowt wrong with McBurnie for Moose imo, we don't have any other strikers with pace (since Robinson's has disappeared) so we were always going to have to adapt to not having that speed up front whoever we put on, even if it was a defender. We didn't.

Also if we'd have put a defender on for the striker, you just get deeper, and the outball opportunity is cut in half.
 
He really really wasn't. Granted, he was hardly a massive threat, but he linked play well enough and won a couple of aerial duels.

Or game requires all players to put in a defensive shift, including pressing from the front. He offered nothing in that area.
 



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