Wrexham

[Nick Jansky]

Try this then. Anything that doesn't meat with reality doesn't float my boat. Nothing about agendas, just reality. You obviously don't live there that often.

You’ve had a bit of a nightmare here and ended up looking thoroughly discredited. I should imagine that anything further you have to say on the subject will now be taken with a large pinch of salt. Maybe it’s time that you stopped digging.

For the avoidance of doubt, the reality is that the Protestant population of Derry is a quite small minority no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise.

 

[North Riding Blade]

You’ve had a bit of a nightmare here and ended up looking thoroughly discredited. I should imagine that anything further you have to say on the subject will now be taken with a large pinch of salt. Maybe it’s time that you stopped digging.

For the avoidance of doubt, the reality is that the Protestant population of Derry is a quite small minority no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise.

You’ve had a bit of a nightmare here and ended up looking thoroughly discredited. I should imagine that anything further you have to say on the subject will now be taken with a large pinch of salt. Maybe it’s time that you stopped digging.

For the avoidance of doubt, the reality is that the Protestant population of Derry is a quite small minority no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise.

I don't feel discredited at all. I have my beliefs. I have justified them to people who I don't really need to justify them to who have no first hand knowledge of the subject. I don't feel I have lost face. You may feel it necessary to shoot me down for that. Fill your boots. I happen think you and others are giving opinions on something you have no personal idea, experience or knowledge of.
This thread has become somewhat distorted but I am happy to run with it.

 

[Slugger]

Glad I made you smile. Let me give you a little information that may make you consider your rather polarised view. The peace marchers on the day had dispersed and the Para's had not even been deployed at the point where the media chose to film/report the events. The only people left on the streets were the yobs who wanted a riot. The IRA coordinated this and it was a favoured tactic throughout the troubles. Kick off on the streets, draw the Army in and open fire.
The Para's were deployed when the rioters kicked off. When the gunmen engaged the unarmed riot squad they received an arse kicking from supporting troops.
The 'peaceful' protesters had long gone at this point. The people caught in the crossfire had the opportunity to leave. They chose not to but rather stand and throw rocks and petrol bombs. Look at the 'victims' of that day. Not many women, kid or elderly people. They had long gone before the contact began.

You are talking rubbish. Talk to to th majority of Londonderry people and the the city is Londonderry. Speak t to the minority republicans and and in would be 'derry'.
It always surprises me how many Brits know so little about the situation over there but claim to know so much.

I think I would edge towards believing the findings of an investigation that lasted 12 years (Saville Inquiry) and led to a public apology by the British Prime minister in the House of Commons rather than the opinion of North Riding Blade whose knowledge of Derry seems a little sketchy.

 

[North Riding Blade]

I think I would edge towards believing the findings of an investigation that lasted 12 years (Saville Inquiry) and led to a public apology by the British Prime minister in the House of Commons rather than the opinion of North Riding Blade whose knowledge of Derry seems a little sketchy.

Thanks Slugger. The enquiry only lasted that long because, like all public enquiries these people need to justify their existence and need paying (from our taxes). They subsequently persecuted veterans through the courts and found.....nothing. So Slugger, join the line of the 'know nowt' do gooders on here and feel free to post your drivel. I'm sure you will be well received by ..... well somebody.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

What the chuff is going on with this thread?!

 

[Slugger]

Thanks Slugger. The enquiry only lasted that long because, like all public enquiries these people need to justify their existence and need paying (from our taxes). They subsequently persecuted veterans through the courts and found.....nothing. So Slugger, join the line of the 'know nowt' do gooders on here and feel free to post your drivel. I'm sure you will be well received by ..... well somebody.

"Drivel"
Here's a direct quote from Sheffield-born General Sir Michael Jackson who was there on that day when 14 unarmed British citizens were shot and killed. This is his exact words on what happened.

"I have no doubt that innocent people were shot"

Hey maybe he's wrong and you're correct?

 

[Slugger]

What the chuff is going on with this thread?!

I'm happy to leave it (or continue in general chat) but when someone posts outright lies, it's difficult to just ignore it.

 

[Reverend Frank]

Don’t wish to call your knowledge/ background into question North Riding Blade, but my family had lived in St Columb’s Wells, lived in William Street on 30/1/72 and were then moved to Rossville Street Flats, so I know my stuff, first hand.

You may well be one of the last people to genuinely believe 1 Para’s lies, but for the rest of us, and the British Government, there is no doubt that they went in on a rampage and killed innocent people, including children. Cameron told the Commons: "What happened on Bloody Sunday was both unjustified and unjustifiable. It was wrong."

If you still believe otherwise, can read the biographies of those murdered here:

Bloody Sunday: The victims

Six of the 13 who died in Londonderry in 1972 after soldiers opened fire were 17 years old.

www.bbc.co.uk

And the fact that it took 38 years, until 2010 for the truth to come out is a stain on this country’s reputation for truth and honesty. So, to go back to the origin of this thread, that’s why James McClean refuses to wear a poppy, and it’s completely right for him to do so.

 

[AWetFlannel]

I don't feel discredited at all. I have my beliefs. I have justified them to people who I don't really need to justify them to who have no first hand knowledge of the subject. I don't feel I have lost face. You may feel it necessary to shoot me down for that. Fill your boots. I happen think you and others are giving opinions on something you have no personal idea, experience or knowledge of.
This thread has become somewhat distorted but I am happy to run with it.

A solid feelings over facts argument here, respect for coming out and saying it plainly. Saves loads of time.

 

[Champagneblade]

Annoying little twats these aren’t they?

Plastic FC a point off the play offs now.

Our performance after going 3-1 up still annoys me now.

Hopefully they have some difficult fixtures coming up. I know we have some tough ones.

 

[Blades1971]

This club is 21st century version of the old Wimbledon. Can you imagine these in the Premiership??
We all know what happened to Wimbledon

 

[Blacksea]

This club is 21st century version of the old Wimbledon. Can you imagine these in the Premiership??
We all know what happened to Wimbledon

Doesn't look anything like Wimbledon to me,more like the Wilder team that exited L1 and started to be a force in the Championship before eventually reaching the PL ,we all know what happened to them.
Wrexham have simply recruited decent quality and under the radar L1 and Championship players,improved them,and welded them into a force to be reckoned with in this division,that is a template that we have used and should still be using now.Its a credit to their recruitment policy.

 

[Blades1971]

Doesn't look anything like Wimbledon to me,more like the Wilder team that exited L1 and started to be a force in the Championship before eventually reaching the PL ,we all know what happened to them.
Wrexham have simply recruited decent quality and under the radar L1 and Championship players,improved them,and welded them into a force to be reckoned with in this division,that is a template that we have used and should still be using now.Its a credit to their recruitment policy.

Maybe. But long term it doesn't get you anywhere. There is no proper infrastructure at the club
Just a couple of rich Americans owners, who will eventually get fed up

 

[Varkanoid]

They still havent built the stand yet. Expected to be completed 26/27!

 

[Hanauer]

This club is 21st century version of the old Wimbledon. Can you imagine these in the Premiership??
We all know what happened to Wimbledon

Yes, they won the FA Cup.

 

[Racing Blade]

Maybe. But long term it doesn't get you anywhere. There is no proper infrastructure at the club
Just a couple of rich Americans owners, who will eventually get fed up

I guess the main difference is that the 80s financial model relied heavily upon a sizeable fan base. Playing at Plough Lane and, later, ground sharing with other London clubs meant The Dons could never build one.

Today, the likes of Bournemouth can operate at top level with a small capacity stadium. It's entirely feasible that Wrexham might do the same.

I agree though. There's a certain ugliness about their current set up and style of play that reminds me of Wimbledon. Coupled with their success being an irritation to traditionally larger clubs, like ours.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

You have to applaud them really, tiny club goes from conference to top half champ in next to no time. You might not like the money or the story behind it but to do that with the same manager and largely the same bunch of players in the early days is remarkable. It’s almost documentary worthy.

Other similar stories were Bournemouth and Luton.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

Maybe. But long term it doesn't get you anywhere. There is no proper infrastructure at the club
Just a couple of rich Americans owners, who will eventually get fed up

Everyone said same about Bournemouth.

 

[CPB]

Doesn't look anything like Wimbledon to me,more like the Wilder team that exited L1 and started to be a force in the Championship before eventually reaching the PL ,we all know what happened to them.
Wrexham have simply recruited decent quality and under the radar L1 and Championship players,improved them,and welded them into a force to be reckoned with in this division,that is a template that we have used and should still be using now.Its a credit to their recruitment policy.

I don't think there are as good as Wilder's team that exited L1. If their owners keep at it. Will only be a matter of time till they get promotion to PL.

However they have done well throwing money at it but also spending/recruiting pretty well.

 

[Champagneblade]

You have to applaud them really, tiny club goes from conference to top half champ in next to no time. You might not like the money or the story behind it but to do that with the same manager and largely the same bunch of players in the early days is remarkable. It’s almost documentary worthy.

Other similar stories were Bournemouth and Luton.

Not sure about the same bunch of players comment. They spent 10m on Kieffer Moore and the winger fro Ipswich and are probably paying them a combined 50-60k.

That’s without even thinking too much about it.

Didn’t they have a 30m budget this past summer?

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

Not sure about the same bunch of players comment. They spent 10m on Kieffer Moore and the winger fro Ipswich and are probably paying them a combined 50-60k.

That’s without even thinking too much about it.

Didn’t they have a 30m budget this past summer?

“In the early days”….

 

[Balham]

Not sure about the same bunch of players comment. They spent 10m on Kieffer Moore and the winger fro Ipswich and are probably paying them a combined 50-60k.

That’s without even thinking too much about it.

Didn’t they have a 30m budget this past summer?

Biggest net spenders outside the top flight, IIRC, and probably ahead of some of the Premier League clubs.

It was £13m combined for Broadhead and Moore too - and then a further £8m on both Doyle and Shaef and multiple millions on several other signings. They've got the commercial backing to afford it though.

 

[Champagneblade]

“In the early days”….

I misapplied that but even in the early days they were recruiting League One players to make for a non league promotion push.

Parkinson has done well. He’s probably exceeded his own expectations and capabilities so far.

It feels from a football point of view the Hollywood story has lost its romance. It’s just a team whose standing has far outstripped it’s genuine size and has just had money thrown at it.

I get the novelty further down. But then they start to reach a point where they are dealing with top level athletes. They shouldn’t give a monkeys about meeting Deadpool over actually playing for a decent club.

They’ll probably get to the top level by money alone but I look forward to them crashing and burning. It was interesting when they were a club on their arse and gaining a bit of attention. Now they just seem self-entitled twats.

 

[Blades1971]

Yes, they won the FA Cup.

Yes end of their success
Didn't Portsmouth and Wigan do the same?

 

[WestYorksBlade]

You have to applaud them really, tiny club goes from conference to top half champ in next to no time. You might not like the money or the story behind it but to do that with the same manager and largely the same bunch of players in the early days is remarkable. It’s almost documentary worthy.

Other similar stories were Bournemouth and Luton.

Nah fuck em

 

[pedro]

Do I detect a little jealousy??

 

[WestYorksBlade]

Do I detect a little jealousy??

personally they just embody much of what I despise about the modern game. Not sure it qualifies as jealousy but there you go

 

[mattbianco1]

What the chuff is going on with this thread?!

Not read in full, but I assume Wrexham are part of the IRA

 

[mattbianco1]

So, to go back to the origin of this thread, that’s why James McClean refuses to wear a poppy, and it’s completely right for him to do so.

Not wearing a poppy aside. He's still a twat

 

[I should coco]

Only scanned through, but I assume Wrexham are part of the IRA

Yes. The test screenings showed that Republican sympathies went down better with an Irish American audience, so they signed up. You have to follow the money, don't you.

They didn't want to really sign McLean, on the basis he's a twat, but it fitted their AI profiled audience, so they had to do it.

If things go a bit dull for them, they might have to sign Kevin Costner.
Worst case, Sly Stallone in net.