Would you turn down a Hecky replacement?

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In or out, that’s not really my question, just trying to gauge whether as a fan base we’d be happy to get rid of Hecky for a replacement? And if so who?

I personally don’t think he’s up to it when the going gets tough. A 3-3 against them is not good enough. We didn’t even start until it was vs 9 men. He looks tactically inept. Today the reactions were so slow and that’s the tip of the iceberg.
We nearly scored/probably should have scored 4 or 5 in the first half. To say we didn't get going until v 9 men, is entirely false.

Not sure if the tactics were necessarily right today, but that happens to all managers - i.e. we were a bit leaky at the back - but then again we should have won by at least three clear goals, and we wouldn't be too worried about winning 6-3 or 7-3.

Watch the match back.

Regardless, do we want to sack managers endlessly like Chelsea etc? Or do we value loyalty, trust and faith in a good honest (qualified) manager? Loyalty please.
 



Just FYI Dyche is a rebooted Pulis for 2022. The football would be atrocious. A bit like whenever we won under Blackwell, I still had mild PTSD from what you had to suffer through.
 
For the sake of nuance I do think management have and continue to make some errors. How they’re managing players, and in-game decision making being the most impactful imo. He shouldn’t, nor won’t be sacked.
 
Further to my own point... If we sacked Heckingbottom the players would almost certainly be outraged. It would probably ruin the season on and off the pitch.

Players like Ndiaye would probably leave in January as well.

Overall the idea of replacing a manager with a tremendous record in the job, is ridiculous... Sorry to put it so bluntly, no offence intended.
 
Further to my own point... If we sacked Heckingbottom the players would almost certainly be outraged. It would probably ruin the season on and off the pitch.

Players like Ndiaye would probably leave in January as well.

Overall the idea of replacing a manager with a tremendous record in the job, is ridiculous... Sorry to put it so bluntly, no offence intended.
I totally despair!! If the players are so weak in mind that they can't accept when Hecky goes then the poor darlings need moving on and are not suitable. FFs!! These are professional footballers who should be able to play under anyone. They wouldn't have lasted long under Fergie!! Just seem to hear more and more bile from Hecky worshippers to justify him staying. He may have got the team into the playoffs last year but he couldn't get the team any further. Now, we are going backwards. But heyho, it hurt my feelings that Hecky might be moved on, so I will have to find a new club!!
 
In or out, that’s not really my question, just trying to gauge whether as a fan base we’d be happy to get rid of Hecky for a replacement? And if so who?

I personally don’t think he’s up to it when the going gets tough. A 3-3 against them is not good enough. We didn’t even start until it was vs 9 men. He looks tactically inept. Today the reactions were so slow and that’s the tip of the iceberg.
It’s a bit early to say. I used to think the same about Warnock at times, some of the things he did were baffling (and a lot of what he said,) at times but he’s the most successful manager outside the PL.
if it’s a Slav type situation where we’re down at the bottom, playing very badly, it’s much easier to think he’s never going to sort this out, he’s the wrong man but Hecky’s done OK so far. I think he deserves longer to show that the injuries aren’t down to him and that, with a fitter squad and more players available to him, he can make better tactical decisions.

I don’t think managers should be sacked unless the situation is irretrievable. It doesn’t always solve things and in some cases, it makes things worse. It’s expensive; you have to pay off the manager and his staff, and give the new manager funds to bring in the players they want. If you can’t afford to do that, you can get a Slav type scenario. Whatever he told the board, he absolutely couldn’t get us playing like Fulham without a lot more recruitment.
And finally, I have no confidence in the owner or board to actually recruit the right manager. At the time Adkins was appointed, the rumour going around was that Clough had been “McCabe’s appointment” and that, this time, PA and his crew at the time, Phipps etc wanted much more input. It appeared they were very much in favour of Adkins. The appointment of Slav was quite similar, in that he’d had previous success but appeared to be on the downward trajectory of his career. And with Slav, we had literally months to find the right choice and wasted a lot of time chasing a manager who wasn’t eligible for a work permit.

People say Hecky was the cheap option but I don’t see it like that, it’s the safe option; appointing someone you already know and trust. There aren’t enough proper “football people” at the club or UW to have the insider knowledge you need to make good appointments. We wouldn’t get a “Mick Beale” type appointment, we’re not going to get the next Steve Cooper, we’re more likely to get the next Steve Bruce; a manager once successful but now past his sell by date.

For long term success, you need both a good manager and a well run club, who can plan ahead. Otherwise you’re looking at a fire fighter type manager, who can get short term success at less well run clubs, usually by kicking cans down the road until they eventually catch up on them. Another Wilder, who can paper over the cracks. I’m not saying we’re a shambles but the club does need, in the background, to look at scouting and recruitment to make sure it’s top class; whether we go up or stay down, how we recruit next season will determine our success over the next few years.

We could sack Hecky and bring in a replacement but there’s more chance it will turn out like Boro with Wilder than Bournemouth with Parker as we don’t have enough money to back a new manager with enough new signings and I don’t trust us to get the right person in.
 
I totally despair!! If the players are so weak in mind that they can't accept when Hecky goes then the poor darlings need moving on and are not suitable. FFs!! These are professional footballers who should be able to play under anyone. They wouldn't have lasted long under Fergie!! Just seem to hear more and more bile from Hecky worshippers to justify him staying. He may have got the team into the playoffs last year but he couldn't get the team any further. Now, we are going backwards. But heyho, it hurt my feelings that Hecky might be moved on, so I will have to find a new club!!
This is a laughable reply end to end. Not sure where to start dissecting it. Sorry you feel that way(?).
 
This is a laughable reply end to end. Not sure where to start dissecting it. Sorry you feel that way(?).
https://www.s24su.com/forum/threads/is-wilder’s-ego-the-issue.65486/page-2#post-1762714

I think when someone posts something so contradictory as this, they’re just after an argument with other posters.

“I believe the constant negativity and carping is not helping the team. Wilder is trying his upmost best, yet he gets constant slagging off and carping from "keyboard experts"". Who have never even managed. Talk about bloody ungrateful!! All this slagging and carping is creating is a poisonous atmosphere which is likely to explode at some stage.. If your so upset with the way the team is managed or following the team, maybe its time to think of doing something else. There are plenty of alternatives.. I believe he will get it right if left alone. What so many cannot get into their bloody heads, is that the club is swimming against the tide of clubs with much more money, and yet suitable alternatives are to be picked out of thin air with not even a mention of suitable alternatives. It ain't that simple.”
 
Not starting Brewster is an absolutely baffling decision and shocking piece of man management by the way
 
Not starting Brewster is an absolutely baffling decision and shocking piece of man management by the way
I was surprised. Unsure that makes it "shocking" man management though. Maybe wanted Billy's experience with so many youngsters at the top end of the pitch.
 
https://www.s24su.com/forum/threads/is-wilder’s-ego-the-issue.65486/page-2#post-1762714

I think when someone posts something so contradictory as this, they’re just after an argument with other posters.

“I believe the constant negativity and carping is not helping the team. Wilder is trying his upmost best, yet he gets constant slagging off and carping from "keyboard experts"". Who have never even managed. Talk about bloody ungrateful!! All this slagging and carping is creating is a poisonous atmosphere which is likely to explode at some stage.. If your so upset with the way the team is managed or following the team, maybe its time to think of doing something else. There are plenty of alternatives.. I believe he will get it right if left alone. What so many cannot get into their bloody heads, is that the club is swimming against the tide of clubs with much more money, and yet suitable alternatives are to be picked out of thin air with not even a mention of suitable alternatives. It ain't that simple.”
I'm not quite sure what you mean mate? The link to a particular post?
 
If only life was as easy as some of you seem to think it to be
Whilst a manager in any walk of life does his best to influence he can only control a certain
Number of things
A manager picks the best team and tactics dependent upon the opposition, players at his disposal whilst taking account of previous experience in the weeks training and injuries.
He has to bounce all the balls in the air whilst keeping the players spinning yet some of our supporters seem to think his job is easy.
Any business or organisation / team is only as good as it’s weakest link unfortunately we had too many players with off days yesterday and it was subsequently impossible to plug the gap.
One example is khadra, up against nine men in the last ten. Anyone on here would have said get him on, let him get round the back and get crossed in. Unfortunately Norwood chose to give the ball to RND and when Khadra did get it he created more for them than for us.
But it’s ok Hecky makes lots of mistakes and we should get a new manager who will obviously be better than what we have got
 
I apologise on behalf of everyone having a different viewing to the biggest blades
You don’t have to apologise for having a different view. But you have to accept that people may disagree and criticise your view. If the response is that everyone disagreeing are the “biggest blades” then what are we even doing here.
 
You don’t have to apologise for having a different view. But you have to accept that people may disagree and criticise your view. If the response is that everyone disagreeing are the “biggest blades” then what are we even doing here.
I couldn’t be arsed to argue, I was full of pop at that time yesterday
 



I couldn’t be arsed to argue, I was full of pop at that time yesterday
Fair enough. I still think it’s a mad view. We’re on a bad run of form, sure, but irrespective of our injury list - which IMO has to be taken into a count - it’s incredibly rare that any team coasts this division without going through a similarly bad spell. Each to their own but for all sorts of reasons I just think the idea of sacking PH is nuts.
 
Fair enough. I still think it’s a mad view. We’re on a bad run of form, sure, but irrespective of our injury list - which IMO has to be taken into a count - it’s incredibly rare that any team coasts this division without going through a similarly bad spell. Each to their own but for all sorts of reasons I just think the idea of sacking PH is nuts.
Each to their own as you say; it’s probably premature but I think it’s a fair argument. I think he is tactically naive and all the signs are there that we will fall short this season.

I wouldn’t say I’m suggesting sacking him, but I’m starting to consider it now.
 
Can all you people who want a change of manager explain how he managed to turn it round last season, hit a record number of points in a 12 month period and but for a boot stud woukd have got us to Wembley
 
hecky in with Jack and Stuart as well I think once squad is back to normal we can resume normal service
 
I'm not quite sure what you mean mate? The link to a particular post?
I’m saying the poster you replied to has previously criticised other posters for doing what he’s done on several threads over the weekend, which is somewhat hypocritical and makes me think he just wants an argument rather than a constructive debate.
 
Depends who it would be and anyone new who comes in would start by ripping up our formation. Which is what Slav was doing.
 
Depends on the replacement. If it was for Pep then sure.
Always an intriguing pub convo. Genuinely unsure he could do his usual job when he doesn't have an array of the world's very best players. Would be interested to see. But we're not exactly Barca, Bayern or Man City.
 
He's not good enough for a club this size and his lack of bollocks to make positive and game changing decisions is proof of that. Mid table L1 manager at best
 
He's not good enough for a club this size and his lack of bollocks to make positive and game changing decisions is proof of that. Mid table L1 manager at best
Yep. He’s shite.
 
I'm not advocating a Hecky replacement but you have to be realistic.

The Championship is bizarre this time around but despite our league position, so many games without a win and a good performance is naturally going to bring pressure on a manager with the squad Hecky has irrespective of injuries.

I have to hold my hands up, the last two performances especially with the players available have raised my concerns.
 



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