Will we ever learn?

[SwissBlade]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-24622480?

Young Mcfadzean up on an assault charge.

Ched, then we bring in Marlon King and now this.

Suppose the club won't be reprimanding him when we've got previous records of criminality as our prized striker.

What role models we have....

 

[Ted Danson]

I wish they were all tough on the pitch as well, Marlon plays like a pansy, not the violent thug Ive been led to believe he is

 

[SBSP]

I'm actually surpised how placid King is on the pitch. Just from reputation I expected him to be a lot dirtier and cheatier (it is a real word).

 

[sheffielder]

It's a shame because I know Callum has knuckled down the last 6 months. You can only hope people get what they deserve, whether good or bad

 

[Darren]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-24622480?

Young Mcfadzean up on an assault charge.

Ched, then we bring in Marlon King and now this.

Suppose the club won't be reprimanding him when we've got previous records of criminality as our prized striker.

What role models we have....

Innocent until proven guilty?

 

[Balham]

It's a shame because I know Callum has knuckled down the last 6 months. You can only hope people get what they deserve, whether good or bad

At the risk of putting two and two together and getting something other than four, the article SwissBlade has linked to says that he was arrested following "an incident on Carver Street in the city centre on 6 October". That was the Sunday after we'd played Crawley and I think the presence of big brother Kyle might have played a part in his decision making.

Either way though, he's evidently put himself in a situation which a professional footballer shouldn't find himself.

Innocent until proven guilty?

Darren definitely - but what does "assault by beating" mean? I'm aware that assault doesn't necessarily need a physical element; is that the difference or is it just a glorified assault charge?

 

[Darren]

At the risk of putting two and two together and getting something other than four, the article SwissBlade has linked to says that he was arrested following "an incident on Carver Street in the city centre on 6 October". That was the Sunday after we'd played Crawley and I think the presence of big brother Kyle might have played a part in his decision making.

Either way though, he's evidently put himself in a situation which a professional footballer shouldn't find himself.

Darren definitely - but what does "assault by beating" mean? I'm aware that assault doesn't necessarily need a physical element; is that the difference or is it just a glorified assault charge?

It just a common assault. It basically means he allegedly whacked someone but not seriously enough to warrant an ABH charge.

 

[S6Blade]

Innocent until proven guilty?

Oh no Dazzler, any of our players arrested and/or charged should be publicly flogged outside the club shop.

 

[Silent Blade]

I was surprised to learn today that someone I know (son of a mate's mate) is accused of killing a man with a punch last summer. He has pleaded "Not guilty" to the murder charge and his trial will be next year. I am hoping that it will be a fair trial as he is innocent unless proven guilty

 

[TAMUS]

Its usually the Head hitting the pavement o r wall that does the damage not the punch .

 

[blade too long]

I'm actually surpised how placid King is (it is a real word).

more like comatose on saturday

 

[Kev Gee]

Hes a young lad. A footballer & has money in his pocket.

Plenty of elements for jealous types to have a 'go' there.

Who knows what kind of situations he may have found himself in that night.

Innocent till guilty.

 

[SwissBlade]

Innocent until proven guilty?

Oh jesus darren how predictable.

I'm not talking about innocent/ guilty. I'm talking about not learning as a club.

Don't put yourselves into these positions.

I'm not saying to ban them from going out but they need to step away before trouble finds them.

 

[puppet]

Hes a young lad. A footballer & has money in his pocket.

Plenty of elements for jealous types to have a 'go' there.

Who knows what kind of situations he may have found himself in that night.

Innocent till guilty.

i dont remember people talking about madine like that.

 

[puppet]

I was surprised to learn today that someone I know (son of a mate's mate) is accused of killing a man with a punch last summer. He has pleaded "Not guilty" to the murder charge and his trial will be next year. I am hoping that it will be a fair trial as he is innocent unless proven guilty

moral of the story - dont punch someone. these stories are horrible and tragically portrayed in the media, often the person killed wasnt involved etc.... ultimately - dont lamp someone in the first place is my motto - it was 30 years ago when i was a regular nightclub goer and it still is... unfortunately standards have declined all over the shop. all day into the night drinking used to be the preserve of the gentleman of the road, now its kids necking vodka in abundance then going out and drinking to ridiculous abundance until 4/5/6am. city centres are full of hyped up zombies walking down the middle of the road from 10-11pm. i was told, not asked, by two coppers to turn around and go through a no-entry and round the outside of Doncaster centre last year because the two coppers on duty just couldnt handle swathes of people hammered off their nuts, none of whom had the road sense or worse still decency to walk on the fucking pavements!! people laugh at the notion of feral youth and society going down the pan but sadly, its true.

 

[BladeFisher]

moral of the story - dont punch someone. these stories are horrible and tragically portrayed in the media, often the person killed wasnt involved etc.... ultimately - dont lamp someone in the first place is my motto - it was 30 years ago when i was a regular nightclub goer and it still is... unfortunately standards have declined all over the shop. all day into the night drinking used to be the preserve of the gentleman of the road, now its kids necking vodka in abundance then going out and drinking to ridiculous abundance until 4/5/6am. city centres are full of hyped up zombies walking down the middle of the road from 10-11pm. i was told, not asked, by two coppers to turn around and go through a no-entry and round the outside of Doncaster centre last year because the two coppers on duty just couldnt handle swathes of people hammered off their nuts, none of whom had the road sense or worse still decency to walk on the fucking pavements!! people laugh at the notion of feral youth and society going down the pan but sadly, its true.

Agreed. See it up here all the time coming out of Glasgow at weekends.

 

[sitwell]

I actually knew about this the day after and remarked about it on here, however I thought it was the Crawley Macfadzean. All is not as it seems with this , the 'recipient' didn't want to press charges but the cops have no option. How the club can be held responsible as some people want to assume is ridiculous.

 

[Sirius]

moral of the story - dont punch someone. these stories are horrible and tragically portrayed in the media, often the person killed wasnt involved etc.... ultimately - dont lamp someone in the first place is my motto - it was 30 years ago when i was a regular nightclub goer and it still is... unfortunately standards have declined all over the shop. all day into the night drinking used to be the preserve of the gentleman of the road, now its kids necking vodka in abundance then going out and drinking to ridiculous abundance until 4/5/6am. city centres are full of hyped up zombies walking down the middle of the road from 10-11pm. i was told, not asked, by two coppers to turn around and go through a no-entry and round the outside of Doncaster centre last year because the two coppers on duty just couldnt handle swathes of people hammered off their nuts, none of whom had the road sense or worse still decency to walk on the fucking pavements!! people laugh at the notion of feral youth and society going down the pan but sadly, its true.

Unfortunately Pups it's the same the whole world over ,although.------- It's not the poor that get the blame.-----
When you were clubbing, perhaps there were few places open after the time one should haver been turned into a pumpkin. twenty,years ago, the shops here n New Zealand, closed at noon on Saturday, for the week end. People had time for relaxing with families, but gradually standards have been eroded. Not wishing to swing the light, but around thirty odd years ago, Sheffield shut down at midnight, apart from the clubs. Now it's a free for all.

I like, nay, love a drink but, there are people on the streets, looking for a pick up or trouble, through the night.
No way am I a kill joy but, surely you can get pissed by, say 1 a.m. when in my grumpy old book all the dens could close. I believe that most of the bother kicks off late filling up the local A &E and Plod Ritz accommodation. Retires to a single malt and no bother.

 

[SwissBlade]

I actually knew about this the day after and remarked about it on here, however I thought it was the Crawley Macfadzean. All is not as it seems with this , the 'recipient' didn't want to press charges but the cops have no option. How the club can be held responsible as some people want to assume is ridiculous.

It's not about holding the club responsible. However, the club has some responsibilities to its contracted staff.

Two examples of my experiences overseas:

Kazakhstan: the company gave us a list of places we shouldn't go at night. If we were found there we would be instantly dismissed. It was for our own good/ safety. Why? Because white expats were an easy target for drunken locals. We were also given strong guidance on our behaviour with the locals as the company would ultimately be linked with it.

Japan: we regularly go down the dark side of the city until 4, 5,6 with very little signs of trouble. Taxis are plentiful and there are few hotspots like kebab shops. People leave clubs and go home. There have been cases of self inflicted injuries though.

The point is that Jordan Robertson, ched, macfadzean and king all represent sufc. So when trouble happens its not just their name in the media it's sufc too.

 

[Silent Blade]

moral of the story - dont punch someone. these stories are horrible and tragically portrayed in the media, often the person killed wasnt involved etc.... ultimately - dont lamp someone in the first place is my motto - it was 30 years ago when i was a regular nightclub goer and it still is... unfortunately standards have declined all over the shop. all day into the night drinking used to be the preserve of the gentleman of the road, now its kids necking vodka in abundance then going out and drinking to ridiculous abundance until 4/5/6am. city centres are full of hyped up zombies walking down the middle of the road from 10-11pm. i was told, not asked, by two coppers to turn around and go through a no-entry and round the outside of Doncaster centre last year because the two coppers on duty just couldnt handle swathes of people hammered off their nuts, none of whom had the road sense or worse still decency to walk on the fucking pavements!! people laugh at the notion of feral youth and society going down the pan but sadly, its true.

Agree. It is always best not to get involved. "helping a mate" can cause you problems too.

 

[Darren]

Oh jesus darren how predictable.

I'm not talking about innocent/ guilty. I'm talking about not learning as a club.

Don't put yourselves into these positions.

I'm not saying to ban them from going out but they need to step away before trouble finds them.

Which is assuming that he was "in trouble". He could be completely innocent for all we know.

 

[Darren]

I actually knew about this the day after and remarked about it on here, however I thought it was the Crawley Macfadzean. All is not as it seems with this , the 'recipient' didn't want to press charges but the cops have no option. How the club can be held responsible as some people want to assume is ridiculous.

In an assault case there can only be a charge if the alleged victim gives a statement to the police. If he doesn't then there is no evidence on which to charge.

 

[S6Blade]

Oh jesus darren how predictable.

I'm not talking about innocent/ guilty. I'm talking about not learning as a club.

Don't put yourselves into these positions.

I'm not saying to ban them from going out but they need to step away before trouble finds them.

What position would that be then? Were you there?

 

[SwissBlade]

Which is assuming that he was "in trouble". He could be completely innocent for all we know.

What position would that be then? Were you there?

You're missing the point that I'm making. The lad has ended up in a position where he has been charged with an offence, whether he was guilty or not only time will tell.

The point I'm making as I said before is not about innocence or guilt, but not allowing oneself to be in a position where flash points occur.

It's about risk assessment. If you're in your local pub on Sunday lunch having a few drinks with your food is normally a much lower risk of ending in trouble than having a skinful of ale and falling out of lava & ignite in Rotherham at kicking out time. (Of course there are always exceptions to this, but these are extreme examples)

I used to go out in Sheffield, chesterfield, bakewell and had varying degrees of bother depending on where we went and how we behaved. I generally don't get any bother these days because I don't hang out at the places where it is likely to kick off or with people who are into that.

Of course it could all be a case of mistaken identity....

But as I said, the club should look at these things and try to prevent its staff from being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people

 

[Darren]

You're missing the point that I'm making. The lad has ended up in a position where he has been charged with an offence, whether he was guilty or not only time will tell.

The point I'm making as I said before is not about innocence or guilt, but not allowing oneself to be in a position where flash points occur.

It's about risk assessment. If you're in your local pub on Sunday lunch having a few drinks with your food is normally a much lower risk of ending in trouble than having a skinful of ale and falling out of lava & ignite in Rotherham at kicking out time. (Of course there are always exceptions to this, but these are extreme examples)

I used to go out in Sheffield, chesterfield, bakewell and had varying degrees of bother depending on where we went and how we behaved. I generally don't get any bother these days because I don't hang out at the places where it is likely to kick off or with people who are into that.

Of course it could all be a case of mistaken identity....

But as I said, the club should look at these things and try to prevent its staff from being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people

You are jumping to conclusions. He might have just been having a quiet drink with his mates and be the victim of a false allegation of which he is entirely innocent.

We just don't know and assuming CM must be at fault in some way is rather unfair.

 

[SwissBlade]

Darren

I'm not. But I'm assuming he was on carver st when the incident took place then got arrested.

You're assuming much more than me about what I'm supposed to be assuming

 

[Darren]

Darren

I'm not. But I'm assuming he was on carver st when the incident took place then got arrested.

You're assuming much more than me about what I'm supposed to be assuming

Your first post implied that he should be reprimanded and that he was a poor role model (though why on earth a teenager who plays football should be a role model for anyone escapes me).

I am assuming nothing. He might be completely innocent or guilty as sin. I don't know. What I am objecting to is the rush to condemn a young man who has been found guilty of nothing. Perhaps we should wait for the outcome of the court case.

 

[vorpal blade]

To generalise (as is the only legal way to do it) and to expand.

Isn't the reason too many footballers get into trouble and use physical violence because they are woefully uneducated?

Isn't that why the England team is so bad compared to teams like Germany or Spain?

IF the clubs and parents, took responsibility for making sure their young players received a rounded and extensive education and became BALANCED adults then we may be winning the World Cup and not have to field a Dirty Half-Dozen every saturday.

The players are thick, that's why they fight.

No?

 

[Bladesman]

I wish they were all tough on the pitch as well, Marlon plays like a pansy, not the violent thug Ive been led to believe he is

Marlon only hits women because he probably knows if he hit a bloke he would get hit back.

 

[Ted Danson]

Im sure they said on the radio last night before the game that the incident involved 2 women.

Is a little bit of Marlon rubbing off on the rest of the team?