Will Nyron play for us again?

[muttsnuts]

Fine post Bartman.
Sad to say that it makes me uncomfortable thinking there's a tinge of racism to the Nozza stuff.

From where i sit on the kop i have never heard any racist comments towards nosworthy, the simple truth is he is not good enough, the ball is like a hot potato when he gets it, as it is with others as well. Have you seen that ridiculous one touch exercise the subs practice in a circle at half time? it hardly instills confidence and time on the ball when the idea is to get rid before somebody else gets near.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

First goal - he didn't much time to react from williamson, but he should have hoofed it clear. But, we should have closed Eagles down quicker and wright should be embarrassed to be beaten from that distance.

2nd goal - Was Nos carrying a knock by this point? You'd hope so given the space iwelumo got. Still the way that Nos lambasted the lino, you could clearly see that he didn't think it was his fault.

3rd Goal - Just shocking, injury or no injury, what is he doing in that position where the isn't a burnley player within 10 yards?

 

[lenners]

From where i sit on the kop i have never heard any racist comments towards nosworthy, the simple truth is he is not good enough, the ball is like a hot potato when he gets it, as it is with others as well. Have you seen that ridiculous one touch exercise the subs practice in a circle at half time? it hardly instills confidence and time on the ball when the idea is to get rid before somebody else gets near.

I've heard racist comments on the kop but can't remember who they were directed towards.
Some of the vitriol directed towards Nozza seems OTT to me, a bit like some of the stuff directed towards Quinn.

 

[moDtheGod]

Sad to say that it makes me uncomfortable thinking there's a tinge of racism to the Nozza stuff.

I'd love to know what that's based on.

I am Nosworthy's biggest detractor and have been from pretty much the first time I saw him kick a ball (maybe not that extreme, I do usually try to reserve judgement...!) but it's definitely not racism. I've never witnessed and definitely never participated in any racism directed at Bombscare. In fact to be honest, I haven't witnessed racism at the Lane in years, unless you count chants about sheep shagging.

Nosworthy is just garbage. He can't do any of the basics well enough and I can't believe the amount of ridiculous things he tries, when there are easy options. What was it Warnock used to say? 'Head it and kick it'.

I hammered Craig Beattie too, perhaps I don't like white Scots...

 

[Toronto Blade]

Nos gets a break from his detractors tomorrow according to this article.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/02012011/63/nosworthy-missing-blades.html

 

[bartman]

I'd love to know what that's based on.

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...

Based on what has happened on the Kop earlier this season(and got a fan removed as he persisted with it) and based on a fan yesterday at half time a few seats from me who not only got a rollocking from me,but from one of his mates that was with him

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I've heard racist comments on the kop but can't remember who they were directed towards.
Some of the vitriol directed towards Nozza seems OTT to me, a bit like some of the stuff directed towards Quinn.

totally agree Lenners...it has got to the stage where they have good games,they refuse to praise them(e.g. Quinn at Norwich,Nos at Forest etc). Yes they have been poor this season but if they are no better players to replace them,we are gonna ave to bear with them during the games and use iternet forums to get the bile out of the system

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First goal - he didn't much time to react from williamson, but he should have hoofed it clear. But, we should have closed Eagles down quicker and wright should be embarrassed to be beaten from that distance.

2nd goal - Was Nos carrying a knock by this point? You'd hope so given the space iwelumo got. Still the way that Nos lambasted the lino, you could clearly see that he didn't think it was his fault.

3rd Goal - Just shocking, injury or no injury, what is he doing in that position where the isn't a burnley player within 10 yards?

yes he was carrying the injury before the 2nd goal. His positioning is poor in general but for the 3rd goal,the Burnley player makes a twenty yeard run and Britton and Calve just ignore him

 

[moDtheGod]

Okay, that's bad. But it's still just two isolated incidents. For every one retard, I'll wager there's a hundred who are slating him just because he's not very good.

Also, very positive to see people taking action against it. Well played.

 

[alcoblade]

I've never heard any racist stuff but he does have a lot on his back, so it's inevitable that there will be a few dick heads in the numbers. I think the real problem has been persisting with a player who is consistenty playing poorly. He needs dropping at the very least, but shear lack of numbers have "saved" him.

He's far from the worst player we've had, but he's a terrible decision maker. He plays football in all the wrong places and is positionally poor. I think Bergen may have nailed it - perhaps he's lost some pace and that side of his game is being exposed now? He's been highly rated and can't possibly be the excuse of a footballer we're seeing now.

UTB

 

[lenners]

I'd love to know what that's based on.

I am Nosworthy's biggest detractor and have been from pretty much the first time I saw him kick a ball (maybe not that extreme, I do usually try to reserve judgement...!) but it's definitely not racism. I've never witnessed and definitely never participated in any racism directed at Bombscare. In fact to be honest, I haven't witnessed racism at the Lane in years, unless you count chants about sheep shagging.

Nosworthy is just garbage. He can't do any of the basics well enough and I can't believe the amount of ridiculous things he tries, when there are easy options. What was it Warnock used to say? 'Head it and kick it'.

I hammered Craig Beattie too, perhaps I don't like white Scots...

I think you'd be naive to say there was definitely no racism involved.
The Lane has massively improved over the years but it's still there and the outpouring of hatred towards Nozza seems a bit odd to me.
And Bartman, proud of your actions.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I haven't seen Any racism at the lane, but when i go it's usually in the Westfield anyway. Seen plenty of racism from some numbskulls that go away, so it wouldn't surprise me if Nos was subjected to racial abuse yesterday.

If it was racial, then i wouldn't have even apologised on the radio if i was him.

 

[Wards]

I think you'd be naive to say there was definitely no racism involved.
The Lane has massively improved over the years but it's still there and the outpouring of hatred towards Nozza seems a bit odd to me.
And Bartman, proud of your actions.

For once I agree with you, even if it's not displayed first hand I think the racial undertones to the abuse are still there.

 

[shorehamview]

If Nosworthy/Quinn/any player is shit then by all means give them a gobful, but do it because he's been shit. Don't do it because of the colour of a man's skin. If that's the sort of attitude you bring to a football match then you can fuck off to Meadowhall, Crystal Peaks or the Seventh Gate of Hell as long as you fuck off.

 

[moDtheGod]

Hang on, what is it that people are seeing then, that's SO blindingly obvious to everyone but me?

Monty and Quinn get just as much, if not MORE of a hammering than Nos. Hell, Montgomery is white and English (Scottish my arse).

So what's the craic here? What are these "racial undertones"? I don't believe I'm that naive, to be honest. Enlighten me.

Why doesn't Williamson get any hammer? Or does he?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

People always have a scapegoat. The fact that at the moment is Nos, and that he's black is entirely coincidental. He's getting hammered cos he's shit, not because of the colour of his skin.

There may be racial abuse (which is bang wrong), but i doubt he'd be getting any abuse if he was playing well.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Nosworthy reacted to a fan next to the tunnel. Shouldn't have done it but I find it bit rich some fans moaning when he has reacted to all the abuse he has got in recent weeks. If you can't take it back,don't dish it out. He wasn't direspecting the 'shirt' just the fan who abused him.

Absolutely, I bet the fan was a right shrinking violet poor little soul. Pathetic.

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The cardinal sin of any footballer is to slag off/disrespect the fans, and for that reason he should never wear the shirt again. A couple of years ago i had a go with some of the players as they got on the team bus at Derby, morgs and speed took it on the chin, but beattie started the big time charlie stuff saying i dont pay his wages etc and started slagging off supporters like me. From that day on i wanted the cock out of my club, a good job the security guard dragged me away!!!

Sorry but I think that is total bullshit. You pay your money and that does give you the right to criticise if you so wish but not to abuse anyone.
The "I pay their wages so I can say what I like" is total bullshit. If you were swearing at him he has ever right to slag you off.

 

[lenners]

People always have a scapegoat. The fact that at the moment is Nos, and that he's black is entirely coincidental. He's getting hammered cos he's shit, not because of the colour of his skin.

There may be racial abuse (which is bang wrong), but i doubt he'd be getting any abuse if he was playing well.

That's close to saying if he started playing better he wouldn't be subjected to racial abuse, which can't be the right way around.
My feeling is Nozza is an obvious scapegoat for his recent performances and all players do get it.
But in this case, the scale of that abuse is unreasonable and hints at a degree of racism as Bartman indicated.
By no means is it some racist tirade but let's not be naive that there aren't a minority of people, hopefully small, whose abuse will start with the word black first.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Reasons Why Nos is getting abuse:

1. Cos he's shit
2. Because he's on good money.
3. Because he's not our player, and the money that we are paying on his wages could probably play for 2 centre backs.

Ordinarily he'd just be called a useless c**t. Sadly because we have a few moronic fans, he's probably getting called a useless black c**t. This is totally unacceptable.

 

[lenners]

Think we're pretty much on the same page Highbury.
I just can't stand that we still have racist fans at the Lane and from experience know there'll be a small bit of that mixed up in the Nozza abuse.

 

[moDtheGod]

That's close to saying if he started playing better he wouldn't be subjected to racial abuse, which can't be the right way around.

Close, but not that same. There's no way I'm getting drawn any further into this because I just don't believe you and you're a known wind up merchant.

I would like to see some evidence that Nosworth is being abused by a section of our fans because he's a black man as opposed to a poor footballer.

Race never even crossed my mind when I formed my opinion about his lack of footballing talent. Why is it an issue for you? Are YOU racist?

 

[lenners]

moDtheGod,
You don't believe me about what?
That there's still racists at the Lane? That the abuse of Nozza presents an opportunity for them to feel comfortable about being racially abusive?
If you don't believe the comments of Bartman or you've lived in some kind of bubble when attending the Lane over the years, not much more I can say.

 

[moDtheGod]

I don't believe that Nosworthy gets abuse from Sheffield United fans for being a black footballer.

I don't think that one or two isolated incidents is any higher than the proportion of racists in any other environment, be that another football club or another industry entirely.

I'm not stupid enough to think racism doesn't exist, but two incidents a year doesn't constitute any sort of racial campaign against him. It's just two fuckwits that need shooting.

Your original point was that Nosworthy was getting abuse "tinged" with racism. I don't agree with that. I think he gets abuse because he's wank at football and isn't good enough to play for United. The fact that two people allegedly abused him for being black is not indicative of a general trend.

 

[lenners]

moDtheGod,
I said the abuse of Nozza wasn't a racist tirade but I do believe a small element will be racial and the general torrent of abuse also provides handy cover for racists to indulge themselves.
I'm not sure why that opinion would upset anyone.
On the other hand, I'd worry if any fans wanted to gloss over any racism at United at any time for any reason.
We don't want it.

 

[moDtheGod]

So what you're saying is, there's a tiny element of racist types amongst our support.

So it's got fuck all to do with Nos, really.

 

[Ballinpigpubs13]

Was Deano, Agana ,Marcus bent, nathan Blake, Carl Asaba, Ugo Ehiogu etc etc racially got at ?
No, they were cheered and revered to this day.
It's all because he's a poor player end of.
Also the fact that he 's played well years ago for sunderland ( the stats prove it ) don't mean he's any good now?

 

[lenners]

Was Deano, Agana ,Marcus bent, nathan Blake, Carl Asaba, Ugo Ehiogu etc etc racially got at ?
No, they were cheered and revered to this day.
It's all because he's a poor player end of.
Also the fact that he 's played well years ago for sunderland ( the stats prove it ) don't mean he's any good now?

Seem to recall Nathan Blake was racially abused, yes.

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So what you're saying is, there's a tiny element of racist types amongst our support.

So it's got fuck all to do with Nos, really.

How could it have nothing to do with Nozza or us as fans?

 

[shorehamview]

Here's a shocker. lenners is right. Well, on this anyway. There is a racist element at Bramall Lane. Sure, it's small, and the club are doing their best to stamp it out, but there is a tiny minority.

Look at the many articles about the Fat Family, for example. Mummy Fat has been banned for racist abuse. The club can only ban people if fans who witness the racist abuse do something, like telling a steward or notifying the club directly. If the racists are season ticket holders the club will be able to watch tem and take the appropriate action.

Some could argue that calling a player a black bastard is only singling out a particular trait, like calling them ginner/scruffy/lanky/short arsed/French or whatever. It's not the same though. Last time I looked ginger wasn't a race, nor was short or French.

Nosworthy may well be getting abuse because of his mistakes, so why not just call him useless? What has the colour of his skin got to do with his ability?


If you do hear any racial abuse either at Bramall Lane or amongst Blades at away matches then it's down to us to do something about it. Tell a steward or a copper. Get the racists out, and keep them out.

 

[Ballinpigpubs13]

Seem to recall Nathan Blake was racially abused, yes.

You must sit next to the only racist man in the ground then because I've never heard owt like that since the early 80's

 

[Revolution]

Here's a shocker. lenners is right. Well, on this anyway. There is a racist element at Bramall Lane. Sure, it's small, and the club are doing their best to stamp it out, but there is a tiny minority.

This is a good summary of the problem, such as it is these days. A few people still behave like this. I'm sure there are a few fans like this at every club.

As far as I can recall, the monkey noises, which were happily in decline anyway, stopped at the Lane when we signed Richard Cadette before the 1987-8 season, and have never come back.

People sometimes long for the past where football is concerned, but thankfully this is an area where things have changed for the better.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

moDtheGod,
You don't believe me about what?
That there's still racists at the Lane? That the abuse of Nozza presents an opportunity for them to feel comfortable about being racially abusive?
If you don't believe the comments of Bartman or you've lived in some kind of bubble when attending the Lane over the years, not much more I can say.

There are still racists at the lane - a couple of them sit behind me in the JSS but their own mates shut them up a couple of seasons ago - they haven't said anything that I have heard since then

 

[Superblades]

I don't rate the guy at all but one thing what i have noticed is when he hasn't got time on the ball he's brilliant but when the ball is at his feet and he has to think about what he's doing then thats when we are in trouble. Classic example was in the first half vs Swansea. the ball was at his feet a simple back pass to Simo would have been the easiest option instead he does a step over of some kind and luckily turns his man. Talk about squeaky bum time!