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Well just over 72 hours from now our championship season will have got up and running.
My only previous memory of coming up to this division , is that of finishing runners up on goal difference to Leeds the following season, Now some will argue that its changed to much to happen again, however several others have managed it recently, all had too big a mountain to climb , but got there, Theres some argue financial differences mean its impossible to get up there , but Brighton and Huddersfield were not in the top 10 budgets last season but took up 2 out of the 3 places on offer, The teams that have fallen out of the prem will be offered as hot favourites to return but only 1 has made it straight back on 8 of the last 10 seasons . Aston Villa and Norwich both squandered small fortunes to finish mid table.
I dont fear this league at all and whats nice is I dont think our squad does, you have to respect its better than league one , but theres no huge gulf as less than a third of the promoted sides from league one have gone back down in the past decade,

sides that got to the prem from league in the past decade

2007–08 West Bromwich Albion (3) Stoke City Hull City
2008–09 Wolverhampton Wanderers (3) Birmingham City Burnley
2009–10 Newcastle United (3) West Bromwich Albion Blackpool
2010–11 Queens Park Rangers (2) Norwich City Swansea City
2011–12 Reading (2) Southampton West Ham United
2012–13 Cardiff City Hull City Crystal Palace
2013–14 Leicester City (7) Burnley Queens Park Rangers
2014–15 AFC Bournemouth Watford Norwich City
2015–16 Burnley (3) Middlesbrough Hull City
2016–17 Newcastle United (4) Brighton & Hove Albion Huddersfield Town

hull wolves burnley blackpool swansea norwich southampton cardiff brighton and huddersfield
10 of 30
all spent time in league one recently
now in the prem
is it do able , it seems so , as 1 in 3 of those promoted have been in league one
so it it such a huge gulf , figures say no
as many ex league one clubs have secured promotion as have those relegated from the prem
 



Good post that mate. First time I've seen anyone make sense of it and put it in perspective with some facts. All this bollocks about "the big step up" and our impending "relegation fight" really sticks in my craw.

This is a very good Sheffield United team - one of the best I've seen ever and I go back to Woody and Currie days. I think we are still a bit short in some areas, but even without further additions it will more than hold its own at this level. With another 2 or 3 good quality additions we could be up there in the top 6.
 
blade too long said:
Well just over 72 hours from now our championship season will have got up and running.
My only previous memory of coming up to this division , is that of finishing runners up on goal difference to Leeds the following season, Now some will argue that its changed to much to happen again, however several others have managed it recently, all had too big a mountain to climb , but got there, Theres some argue financial differences mean its impossible to get up there , but Brighton and Huddersfield were not in the top 10 budgets last season but took up 2 out of the 3 places on offer, The teams that have fallen out of the prem will be offered as hot favourites to return but only 1 has made it straight back on 8 of the last 10 seasons . Aston Villa and Norwich both squandered small fortunes to finish mid table.
I dont fear this league at all and whats nice is I dont think our squad does, you have to respect its better than league one , but theres no huge gulf as less than a third of the promoted sides from league one have gone back down in the past decade,

sides that got to the prem from league in the past decade

2007–08 West Bromwich Albion (3) Stoke City Hull City
2008–09 Wolverhampton Wanderers (3) Birmingham City Burnley
2009–10 Newcastle United (3) West Bromwich Albion Blackpool
2010–11 Queens Park Rangers (2) Norwich City Swansea City
2011–12 Reading (2) Southampton West Ham United
2012–13 Cardiff City Hull City Crystal Palace
2013–14 Leicester City (7) Burnley Queens Park Rangers
2014–15 AFC Bournemouth Watford Norwich City
2015–16 Burnley (3) Middlesbrough Hull City
2016–17 Newcastle United (4) Brighton & Hove Albion Huddersfield Town

hull wolves burnley blackpool swansea norwich southampton cardiff brighton and huddersfield
10 of 30
all spent time in league one recently
now in the prem
is it do able , it seems so , as 1 in 3 of those promoted have been in league one
so it it such a huge gulf , figures say no
as many ex league one clubs have secured promotion as have those relegated from the prem
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Wigan went straight back down
 
I think that if we are ever going to do it, its now, under Wilder, we will make the playoffs comfortably. Look what wilder did in the lower leagues,still the same game, same tactics, slightly better players. This time he has a bit more cash. You shouldn't underestimate what he/they can achieve, its Roy of the rovers stuff that is rarely witnessed.
 
I'm not saying we can't do it cause we love being the underdog, but the strike force and quality we had then I really don't know if we have it now..

We haven't got an England international quality striker like Deane was, we're not far off from the type of team we had then, the goalposts have moved though, it would be the best promotion ever and the greatest achievement from a manager were it to happen, after all I've wrote I still couldn't say we can't do it ...

11 players pulling together all wanting it, it's a frightening proposition... I wouldn't wanna play us if they "go again"
 
Im of the opinion , just have a go , think we have far too much about us t worry about the wrong end , and dont over respect some other "big" clubs.
In my opinion theres not one club there to be afraid of , just remember we have 60 years at the top behind us so we are as capable as any
 
Tezza1889 said:
I'm not saying we can't do it cause we love being the underdog, but the strike force and quality we had then I really don't know if we have it now..
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lets not forget at that time both Deane and Agana cost less than 100k between them and came from lower league clubs doncaster and watford
it only looked better quality after wed finished 2nd

before august that season not many had us as competing
 
Glyn Hodges left foot said:
I think that if we are ever going to do it, its now, under Wilder, we will make the playoffs comfortably. Look what wilder did in the lower leagues,still the same game, same tactics, slightly better players. This time he has a bit more cash. You shouldn't underestimate what he/they can achieve, its Roy of the rovers stuff that is rarely witnessed.
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And it's not like we haven't done it before either. The only slight doubt for me is will we find the right strike partnership? because we really need 2 regulars out of the strikers to play alongside each other most matches and develop a partnership. I'm not sure we know who that will be yet.

Think Barry Butlin and Jeff Bourne! (On second thoughts - no dont).
 
Who's going to score 20 and whos going to contribute 15 or 10. Not slashing just asking.
If we can convert chances to goals which we will absolutely have to do as there will be fewewr chances we can challenge at the right end of the table.
 
I've got two memories of going up to this division. The second one is better than the first.
 
seanbeenstattoo said:
Who's going to score 20 and whos going to contribute 15 or 10. Not slashing just asking.
If we can convert chances to goals which we will absolutely have to do as there will be fewewr chances we can challenge at the right end of the table.
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Neil Shipperly was our leading scorer with 11 goals when we were promoted to the Prem?
 
seanbeenstattoo said:
Who's going to score 20 and whos going to contribute 15 or 10. Not slashing just asking.
If we can convert chances to goals which we will absolutely have to do as there will be fewewr chances we can challenge at the right end of the table.
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Why 20?

The last time we got promoted to the Premier League our top scorer was Neil Shipperley with a measly 11.
 



I've seen little negativity amongst Blades in truth. Legitimate concerns about maybe conceding a few too many or not putting enough in at the other end, but certainly not doom and gloom stuff.

None of us have a crystal ball and this league has thrown up some unpredictable outcomes in amongst the expected.

If pushed I'll go for mid table but who knows. Deane and Agana hadn't even reached their peak years in age terms and had little or no experience of the second tier, so it's pointless comparing our current 30 something first choice pair who do with limited success.

As mentioned above, however, you don't always need a couple being prolific.

Personally I'm all for being realistic and supportive, as opposed to being overly negative or positive propagandist.
 
seanbeenstattoo said:
We'd better fucking re-sign him then!
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Wonder how fat he is now? :eek: In all honesty the squad we had then didn't look like a promotion squad but somehow we managed to pull it off. I don't think for a minute we'll be anywhere near the top 6 this season but stranger things have happened.
 
Don't underestimate the pressure on Wilder either; this is a massive season for him too. Proven in the non-league, 4th and now 3rd tier, this is his first attempt in the 2nd tier, it's a huge personal challenge for him; let alone the players and squad he's assembled. Our last two successful managers were hugely experienced at this level and knew how to get promotion(s). This is all new to CW and he won't want to be labelled a 'flat-track bully', only capable in the bottom two leagues. The next few months will be a steep learning curve for all but especially CW and how quickly he adapts will determine how successful we are. It's not all down to the managers but statistically proven managers tend to be more successful in the Championship. There are exceptions, and for what it's worth, imo CW will be one. UTB.
 
Anyone looking forward to an entire season of the OP trawling through all 10 teams results to announce whenever we don't win that "X didnt beat them but still got promoted that season" and that it "just goes to show" ??


I know I am.
 
blade too long said:
Well just over 72 hours from now our championship season will have got up and running.
My only previous memory of coming up to this division , is that of finishing runners up on goal difference to Leeds the following season, Now some will argue that its changed to much to happen again, however several others have managed it recently, all had too big a mountain to climb , but got there, Theres some argue financial differences mean its impossible to get up there , but Brighton and Huddersfield were not in the top 10 budgets last season but took up 2 out of the 3 places on offer, The teams that have fallen out of the prem will be offered as hot favourites to return but only 1 has made it straight back on 8 of the last 10 seasons . Aston Villa and Norwich both squandered small fortunes to finish mid table.
I dont fear this league at all and whats nice is I dont think our squad does, you have to respect its better than league one , but theres no huge gulf as less than a third of the promoted sides from league one have gone back down in the past decade,

sides that got to the prem from league in the past decade

2007–08 West Bromwich Albion (3) Stoke City Hull City
2008–09 Wolverhampton Wanderers (3) Birmingham City Burnley
2009–10 Newcastle United (3) West Bromwich Albion Blackpool
2010–11 Queens Park Rangers (2) Norwich City Swansea City
2011–12 Reading (2) Southampton West Ham United
2012–13 Cardiff City Hull City Crystal Palace
2013–14 Leicester City (7) Burnley Queens Park Rangers
2014–15 AFC Bournemouth Watford Norwich City
2015–16 Burnley (3) Middlesbrough Hull City
2016–17 Newcastle United (4) Brighton & Hove Albion Huddersfield Town

hull wolves burnley blackpool swansea norwich southampton cardiff brighton and huddersfield
10 of 30
all spent time in league one recently
now in the prem
is it do able , it seems so , as 1 in 3 of those promoted have been in league one
so it it such a huge gulf , figures say no
as many ex league one clubs have secured promotion as have those relegated from the prem
Click to expand...



Wolves haven’t made the Prem since being in League 1.


It’s very difficult to predict what will happen. Wigan won League 1 at a canter. As did Wolves. As did Charlton. As did Bristol City. Donny also went up as champions. That’s all the League 1 champions since we’ve been there. 3 have found themselves back in League 1 (via League 2 in Donny’s case). Wolves and Bristol have spent a lot of money and were both very close to relegation last season.


Yeovil, MK, Rovrum have all been relegated since promotion in that time too.


On the flip side, since we’ve been in League 1, Bournemouth, Brentford, Huddersfield, pigs, Barnsley, Burton & Preston have all held their own with a couple getting to the promised land and none of those went up as League 1 champions.


It’s a funny old game but I can’t wait to see it start up again on Saturday regardless of what it might bring.
 
blade too long said:
lets not forget at that time both Deane and Agana cost less than 100k between them and came from lower league clubs doncaster and watford
it only looked better quality after wed finished 2nd

before august that season not many had us as competing
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That’s true but is there anyone in our squad who could take off the way Brian Deane did?


I’d say the only one where that might be possible is David Brooks. Sharp, Clarke, Evans, Hanson and even Lavery are unlikely to vastly improve at their age. Brooks is the only potential England player amongst our ranks IMO and IF (and it’s a massive IF) he can take the division by storm a la Deane then we might be up there challenging. Otherwise, I expect us to be still be clear of relegation but probably not challenging at the top.
 
JordoBlade said:
Wonder how fat he is now? :eek: In all honesty the squad we had then didn't look like a promotion squad but somehow we managed to pull it off. I don't think for a minute we'll be anywhere near the top 6 this season but stranger things have happened.
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That squad did have Phil Jagielka in it who was a huge player for us. A real leader in Morgs, a good GK in Kenny. We had an excellent balance of pace (Kabba, Webber, Ifill) and experience (Morgs, Short, Unsworth, Shipps, Gillespie). We had the more creative midfielders in Tonge and Alan Quinn too.




This squad seems more comparable to that one really than the one where Deane and Agana tore it up as I just don’t see anyone doing that. I do think the current squad could really do with the Kabba type option though. Blistering pace can always hurt teams and is an excellent weapon to have in the squad.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
That squad did have Phil Jagielka in it who was a huge player for us. A real leader in Morgs, a good GK in Kenny. We had an excellent balance of pace (Kabba, Webber, Ifill) and experience (Morgs, Short, Unsworth, Shipps, Gillespie). We had the more creative midfielders in Tonge and Alan Quinn too.




This squad seems more comparable to that one really than the one where Deane and Agana tore it up as I just don’t see anyone doing that. I do think the current squad could really do with the Kabba type option though. Blistering pace can always hurt teams and is an excellent weapon to have in the squad.
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Kabba had the technique to go with his pace. It's difficult to find players like that these days. I wonder what he'd have been worth in today's market.
 



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