Wilders Transfer business

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By your logic, CW made all the money without being a penny ie nowt, you have to accept that any subsequent large losses are down to him to a great extent. On that basis, what are your current valuations of McBurnie, Brewster, Burke and Berge?
Wilder always publicly DEMANDED that he should be in SOLE CONTROL of the transfer business - he always said that was his red line - having said that , there is NO ESCAPE for Wilder from the rotten fruit of his investments in both player acquisitions + new contracts for players beyond their personal peak.
The current squad has nothing to do with the new manager and apart from placing a "safety limit" on Wilder's spending , nothing to do with the Board or the Prince.
McCabe brought in the Prince because McCabe had FINISHED with financing the club's losses by himself.
The Prince was the only guy who stepped forward.
As a man who NEVER PROMISED to pour billions into the club (because he doesn't have them) has spent to the max.
 



Wilder's transfer business at the highest level has been atrocious.

He's good at finding gap pluggers, "can do a job" types for League One and the Championship but we're now stuck with a one-dimensional, ageing core of the squad which is devoid of any sort of confidence who are on long contracts, high wages who we can't afford to shift and nobody wants. The players he's signed for big money haven't been good enough to cement themselves a place in the squad and SJ is stuck with this lot having to try and coach them out of a system that doesn't work any more but they're robotically programmed to do whether it works or not.

We could replace them but the clock's ticking and everything seems to take forever. It took long enough to find a replacement for Wilder never mind then allowing his replacement to get some bodies through the door and, most importantly, shipping some out.

These next games are make or break for this rabble because if we don't perform against Huddersfield, Derby, Peterborough, Luton etc then we might as well sew a Sunderland badge over the top of ours now and have done with it.
 
I think the simple way to look at Wilder's PL signings is to say how many of them would you get at least your money back on and how many would return a loss?

Profit - Ramsdale, Bogle

We've been fortune with Rammers. He hasn't been an unqualified success at all, in fact pre-Christmas he was sub par and I still think from a budget perspective a loan or cheaper outlay would have allowed recruitment elsewhere eg LCB rather than asking the Board to help when all the cash had gone. But he got POTY In a bad bunch, injuries to Pope and Henderson allowed him to go to the Euros and Arsenal are desperate for a home grown keeper. It's telling there are no rival bidders but quite a lot has gone our way on this one.

Bogle also hasn't been a resounding success as he's failed to dislodge Baldock so you could argue keeping Freeman and investing in a first team starter would have been more prudent however he seems to be on a list of attacking right backs behind Max Aarons that would turn a profit for us if he left.

Loss - Freeman, Robinson C, Mousset, Osborn, McBurnie, Robinson J, Berge, Burke, Brewster, Lowe

Almost everyone else goes at a loss. You can make the argument that some pay for themselves because they gave us a second year. But these weren't 29 year olds who did their bit but age lost them their value. They lost value because they have worse reputations than when we bought them. Where to start?

Freeman, bought for a club record, never picked. Despite JL7 issues, we offloaded him to Forest and found ourselves short of midfield options. Probably leaves on a free next summer.

Robinson C/Burke - moved on at a loss for Burke, who I'd also expect to struggle for takers.

Mousset - for all the piss taking of Jordon Rhodes, here's a player who cost 10m, played ok for a couple of months and has been a liability ever since. Will leave for free in the summer.

Osborn - had done ok but even now 3.5m for a game trier seems a bit much. Players like him are ten a penny and there must have been frees who could achieve the same. Leaves for free in the summer.

Lowe - I'm surprised even Swansea are interested. Won't buy him though.

Robinson J - Bang average mid to low Championship player. Nobody pays no ey for him. Probably leaves whenever his deal expires. Always good for an opposition goal.

McBurnie - for 17m I don't see any goals that he scored that Sharp couldn't have scored whilst Sharp's at Bournemouth and West Brom he certainly wouldn't have scored. Edging towards an almost 1 in 10 goal to appearance ratio.

Berge - looks great on the tin. But not showing it now under his third consecutive manager. Hope we play on his reputation of part of the Norwegian golden generation but it is telling that other teams rate him between 10-17m figures.

Brewster - laughable that we paid 23m for him, didn't strengthen midfield, failed to strengthen left centre back and then by the end a 17 year old Academy player was ahead of him.

That's not forgetting the wasteful free transfers of Jags, who apart from Man U away conceded 3 every time he played and we may as well have kept Stearman on lower wages plus Rav, Rodwell and Foderingham which bordered on desperate to bewildering.

I hope we can offload a few before year end because for the uptick on Rammers plenty are leaving for a loss or in mnay cases nothing at all in the summer.

Yes, exactly
So far we have one player who looks like he will be going to a Premier League club, and only to be the reserve, reserve goalkeeper.

Only one other has a chance, and that is Berge.

Not one other player will attract a Premier League club, many currently with us or recently let go, wouldn't attract a Championship club
 
I think the simple way to look at Wilder's PL signings is to say how many of them would you get at least your money back on and how many would return a loss?

Profit - Ramsdale, Bogle

We've been fortune with Rammers. He hasn't been an unqualified success at all, in fact pre-Christmas he was sub par and I still think from a budget perspective a loan or cheaper outlay would have allowed recruitment elsewhere eg LCB rather than asking the Board to help when all the cash had gone. But he got POTY In a bad bunch, injuries to Pope and Henderson allowed him to go to the Euros and Arsenal are desperate for a home grown keeper. It's telling there are no rival bidders but quite a lot has gone our way on this one.

Bogle also hasn't been a resounding success as he's failed to dislodge Baldock so you could argue keeping Freeman and investing in a first team starter would have been more prudent however he seems to be on a list of attacking right backs behind Max Aarons that would turn a profit for us if he left.

Loss - Freeman, Robinson C, Mousset, Osborn, McBurnie, Robinson J, Berge, Burke, Brewster, Lowe

Almost everyone else goes at a loss. You can make the argument that some pay for themselves because they gave us a second year. But these weren't 29 year olds who did their bit but age lost them their value. They lost value because they have worse reputations than when we bought them. Where to start?

Freeman, bought for a club record, never picked. Despite JL7 issues, we offloaded him to Forest and found ourselves short of midfield options. Probably leaves on a free next summer.

Robinson C/Burke - moved on at a loss for Burke, who I'd also expect to struggle for takers.

Mousset - for all the piss taking of Jordon Rhodes, here's a player who cost 10m, played ok for a couple of months and has been a liability ever since. Will leave for free in the summer.

Osborn - had done ok but even now 3.5m for a game trier seems a bit much. Players like him are ten a penny and there must have been frees who could achieve the same. Leaves for free in the summer.

Lowe - I'm surprised even Swansea are interested. Won't buy him though.

Robinson J - Bang average mid to low Championship player. Nobody pays no ey for him. Probably leaves whenever his deal expires. Always good for an opposition goal.

McBurnie - for 17m I don't see any goals that he scored that Sharp couldn't have scored whilst Sharp's at Bournemouth and West Brom he certainly wouldn't have scored. Edging towards an almost 1 in 10 goal to appearance ratio.

Berge - looks great on the tin. But not showing it now under his third consecutive manager. Hope we play on his reputation of part of the Norwegian golden generation but it is telling that other teams rate him between 10-17m figures.

Brewster - laughable that we paid 23m for him, didn't strengthen midfield, failed to strengthen left centre back and then by the end a 17 year old Academy player was ahead of him.

That's not forgetting the wasteful free transfers of Jags, who apart from Man U away conceded 3 every time he played and we may as well have kept Stearman on lower wages plus Rav, Rodwell and Foderingham which bordered on desperate to bewildering.

I hope we can offload a few before year end because for the uptick on Rammers plenty are leaving for a loss or in mnay cases nothing at all in the summer.
This is a faultless post which explains in graphic detail how Wilder pissed away virtually all the available money since May 2019.
No wonder he crawled away after the Prince finally gave up persuading him to stay.
Wilder must have been suffering from clinical-grade embarrassment , bordering on mental depression.
And the Prince was still kind enough to give him a substantial payoff despite having no legal obligation to do so.
Presumably out of sympathy & recognition of his achievements 2016-2019.
Cogent evidence that the Prince is a man of honour.
Can anyone imagine Shylock McCabe giving anyone anything which he was not legally obliged to give ?
Feck me , McCabe got top dollar out of the Club for the 5 assets , some of which were questionable to say the least.
McCabe wouldn't have given Wilder the steam off his piss if faced with the same situation as the Prince.
But we have to move on.
Wilder has left us with a shit squad on the slide after spending to the max.
Let's get the only 2 marketable players (Rammers & Berge) sold + give the new manager at least some ability to begin transforming the squad.
 
With the benefit of distance CW's transfer business doesn't look quite so disastrous. McBurnie has taken longer than expected to show us what he's capable of but now looks a bargain or certainly worth £17 million and I wouldn't exchange him for Maupay. JLT good addition. The biggest question mark is over Brewster who was a desperation signing. But a lot of these players were brought in by CW. New regime now. Maybe it took that to get the best out of them. Onwards and upwards.
 
With the benefit of distance CW's transfer business doesn't look quite so disastrous. McBurnie has taken longer than expected to show us what he's capable of but now looks a bargain or certainly worth £17 million and I wouldn't exchange him for Maupay. JLT good addition. The biggest question mark is over Brewster who was a desperation signing. But a lot of these players were brought in by CW. New regime now. Maybe it took that to get the best out of them. Onwards and upwards.
It wasn't disastrous, people just needed something to blame while we were shit. So they say Wilder is washed up and arrogant, Norwood is awful, system's been found out etc.

Brewster wasn't a desperation signing imo. We signed the best young English striker in the country besides Rashford and Greenwood. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
 
With the benefit of distance CW's transfer business doesn't look quite so disastrous. McBurnie has taken longer than expected to show us what he's capable of but now looks a bargain or certainly worth £17 million and I wouldn't exchange him for Maupay. JLT good addition. The biggest question mark is over Brewster who was a desperation signing. But a lot of these players were brought in by CW. New regime now. Maybe it took that to get the best out of them. Onwards and upwards.
Agree with this and said similar earlier this week. If McBurnie gets the goals that win us promotion then it will be time to reevaluate that transfer. And a few others, too.
 
With the benefit of distance CW's transfer business doesn't look quite so disastrous. McBurnie has taken longer than expected to show us what he's capable of but now looks a bargain or certainly worth £17 million and I wouldn't exchange him for Maupay. JLT good addition. The biggest question mark is over Brewster who was a desperation signing. But a lot of these players were brought in by CW. New regime now. Maybe it took that to get the best out of them. Onwards and upwards.
You’re forgetting that those players were brought in to keep us in the Prem and not to do the business in the Champ.
 
You’re forgetting that those players were brought in to keep us in the Prem and not to do the business in the Champ.
Were they? Or were they to make sure we weren't fucked after we went down?
 
It wasn't disastrous, people just needed something to blame while we were shit. So they say Wilder is washed up and arrogant, Norwood is awful, system's been found out etc.

Brewster wasn't a desperation signing imo. We signed the best young English striker in the country besides Rashford and Greenwood. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
Could've been worse. We could've gone for Greenwood
 
Were they? Or were they to make sure we weren't fucked after we went down?
Well seeing as we were a Prem team at the time I hope we were buying players to survive. That’s like saying we are buying players now so we aren’t fucked if get relegated to league one.
 
Well seeing as we were a Prem team at the time I hope we were buying players to survive. That’s like saying we are buying players now so we aren’t fucked if get relegated to league one.
Agree with you in a sense, but our budget isn't tiny for the Championship so to plan for relegation would be strange.

In the Prem we were always going to be an underdog, relegation was always a possibility. If we couldn't sign any players that would improve us in the prem, the next best thing is to sign young talent that might develop into Prem standard players. That's what we did.
 
Well seeing as we were a Prem team at the time I hope we were buying players to survive. That’s like saying we are buying players now so we aren’t fucked if get relegated to league one.

Nothing like the same comparison though is it.

You can set the team up to be stronger long term, rather than just bottom half premier at all costs can't you.

I think this team, injuries aside, is far better that the one that went up under Wilder, which is the point
 
Nothing like the same comparison though is it.

You can set the team up to be stronger long term, rather than just bottom half premier at all costs can't you.

I think this team, injuries aside, is far better that the one that went up under Wilder, which is the point
Ask the Prince what he was aiming for when he sanctioned Wilder to spend 17 million on Mcburnie. “Don’t worry Prince, he will do the business in the Championship when we get relegated”.
 



Ask the Prince what he was aiming for when he sanctioned Wilder to spend 17 million on Mcburnie. “Don’t worry Prince, he will do the business in the Championship when we get relegated”.
Why don't you ask him mate.

I think our transfer vision, although expensive, extended to more than premier league survival.

And we're seeing that now aren't we, as the players improve and grow.
 

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