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crooked bladesman said:
Proof is in the pudding. Number of points don't lie. Whatever Wilder achievements, he ain't pulling no trees up here. Results counts and he is simply not changed anything in that perspective. He is totally out of his depth in getting results just like PH. We saw that yesterday against Brighton. All if and buts and we nearly got something don’t mean nothing pal.
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After 14 games hecky got 5 points.
After 7 games wilder has got 5 points.
It could have been 10. But it wasn't.

It works out as double as it's in half the time.

Do you not see this?

As for Brighton let's not forget that wasn't our full starting line up. And let's also not forget Brighton are a really good side.

What are you wanting to achieve?
Wilder is an improvement so far on hecky this season.

We are cut adrift and that was before wilder came in. Unless you chuck alot of money at it now it's nigh on miracle get enough results to stay up.
 
Frank the tank said:
How come you can't read and write properly yet?
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There are a few issues with your grammar here and I’m sure someone will soon be along to let you know.
But you’ve maybe ‘outed’ one here, so let’s not allow insults to spoil it Frank.
 
crooked bladesman said:
Nothing has really changed with Wilder has it really. Results are still shocking . He's no better than PH imo. In fact the first 5 games under PH we looked a lot better than we do now.
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The agenda of the Hecky lovers is coming back after a loss 😂
 
Wilder has improved the players attitude, but not by enough. They are still mostly poor for the standard required in the PL.

Changing the manager makes a minor difference, but I notice some people want a change in recruitment!
That will only happen with a positive financial change in the finances and football knowledge in ownership.
 
Bit late to this thread which has the makings of another forgettable crash and burn but...

crooked bladesman said:
Saw one yesterday pal. We lost and conceded five at home. I remember we used to sack the manager when that happened.
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Losing 8-0 at home wasn't a sacking offence under the Prince.

However, my main contribution is...
crooked bladesman said:
Proof is in the pudding..
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The proof isn't in the pudding. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Here to help.

Bladezz said:
It would have been 5-0 …. Again
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Nah...we'd have probably lost 2-0 at Gillingham under Hecky playing a rigid 5-3-2.
 
We look marginally better under Wilder, as at least we look like scoring.

We need a couple of players still.

Problem is that the players we all knew weren't good enough last year are still here - Lowe, Osborn, Fleck, Norwood.

Plus the jury's out on Brewster, McBurnie, Bogle.

Add to this the new players who haven't been good enough, Larouci, Traore, Slimane, Thomas.

We are carrying a lot of baggage. Too much.

Without a transformation in January (which we haven't had), we'll be relegated still but at least we might reach 20 points.

It's change at the top we need as well I'm afraid, as the Prince can't compete either.

Sad times
 
SouthStandGBlock said:
We look marginally better under Wilder, as at least we look like scoring.

We need a couple of players still.

Problem is that the players we all knew weren't good enough last year are still here - Lowe, Osborn, Fleck, Norwood.

Plus the jury's out on Brewster, McBurnie, Bogle.

Add to this the new players who haven't been good enough, Larouci, Traore, Slimane, Thomas.

We are carrying a lot of baggage. Too much.

Without a transformation in January (which we haven't had), we'll be relegated still but at least we might reach 20 points.

It's change at the top we need as well I'm afraid, as the Prince can't compete either.

Sad times
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Slashing wrist time then I get from that.?
 
I feel Wilder showed a lack of ambition on Saturday. Relegation is assured, even if some teams above suffer points deductions, so the cup is all we had to have a go at. With that in mind the team he picked was never going to win.

Goalie: unless Wilder knows something we don’t the new goalie is no better than Wes. In fact he may not be as good. Having confirmed the signing the day before he should have given the guy more time to settle.

Defence: without Robinson it’s always weaker and never stood a chance.

Midfield: Whatever made him pick Norwood and Osborn. It’s as though he had no interest in winning. These two should have been sat with Fleck. If he wanted to try different players or tactics, he should have played the youngsters. There was absolutely nothing to gain by playing Norwood or Osborn.

Attack: Why the heck did he start with three strikers. Who does that these days against anyone, never mind a top premier league side.

Wilder has his work cut out to show he still has what it takes. I would love for him to succeed but my confidence has taken a huge knock. Losing by the odd goal is acceptable, but conceding 5 goals at home is definitely not, under any circumstances.
 

Edinblade said:
I feel Wilder showed a lack of ambition on Saturday. Relegation is assured, even if some teams above suffer points deductions, so the cup is all we had to have a go at. With that in mind the team he picked was never going to win.

Goalie: unless Wilder knows something we don’t the new goalie is no better than Wes. In fact he may not be as good. Having confirmed the signing the day before he should have given the guy more time to settle.

Defence: without Robinson it’s always weaker and never stood a chance.

Midfield: Whatever made him pick Norwood and Osborn. It’s as though he had no interest in winning. These two should have been sat with Fleck. If he wanted to try different players or tactics, he should have played the youngsters. There was absolutely nothing to gain by playing Norwood or Osborn.

Attack: Why the heck did he start with three strikers. Who does that these days against anyone, never mind a top premier league side.

Wilder has his work cut out to show he still has what it takes. I would love for him to succeed but my confidence has taken a huge knock. Losing by the odd goal is acceptable, but conceding 5 goals at home is definitely not, under any circumstances.
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Still gets me why he came back he will be operating under the same restraints like when he left, shuffling the chairs about trying to get some response out of players what if we're honest are nowhere near prem standard. No money to play with in the window hampers him as well. Forget next season us fans after endure the next 3 months or so watching this side getting pummelled. It must be painful for the players as well as us... onwards to the Palace then😊
 
TJ blade said:
Still gets me why he came back he will be operating under the same restraints like when he left, shuffling the chairs about trying to get some response out of players what if we're honest are nowhere near prem standard. No money to play with in the window hampers him as well. Forget next season us fans after endure the next 3 months or so watching this side getting pummelled. It must be painful for the players as well as us... onwards to the Palace then😊
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Still alive after Slashing my wrist ! 😁
 
Meanwhile the Prince is sunning himself somewhere on this planet laughing at 'those stupid Sheffield idiots' who are arguing about Hecky or Wilder when he knows that this situation is all down to his incompetence.

Over 140 posts and 6 pages and the Prince has been left out of the picture.

Divide and Rule - the Prince is the master.
 
TJ blade said:
Still gets me why he came back he will be operating under the same restraints like when he left, shuffling the chairs about trying to get some response out of players what if we're honest are nowhere near prem standard. No money to play with in the window hampers him as well. Forget next season us fans after endure the next 3 months or so watching this side getting pummelled. It must be painful for the players as well as us... onwards to the Palace then😊
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because it's not worse than when he left. The couple of tough financial years on the back of his previous overspend isn't now an issue.
He won't have aged players on expensive contracts, he's largely got a free hand to refresh the squad.
Finally, the budget for next season hasn't been spent, unlikely last time, so he's got more to rebuild with, be that in wages or in fees.
 
Edinblade said:
I feel Wilder showed a lack of ambition on Saturday. Relegation is assured, even if some teams above suffer points deductions, so the cup is all we had to have a go at. With that in mind the team he picked was never going to win.

Goalie: unless Wilder knows something we don’t the new goalie is no better than Wes. In fact he may not be as good. Having confirmed the signing the day before he should have given the guy more time to settle.

Defence: without Robinson it’s always weaker and never stood a chance.

Midfield: Whatever made him pick Norwood and Osborn. It’s as though he had no interest in winning. These two should have been sat with Fleck. If he wanted to try different players or tactics, he should have played the youngsters. There was absolutely nothing to gain by playing Norwood or Osborn.

Attack: Why the heck did he start with three strikers. Who does that these days against anyone, never mind a top premier league side.

Wilder has his work cut out to show he still has what it takes. I would love for him to succeed but my confidence has taken a huge knock. Losing by the odd goal is acceptable, but conceding 5 goals at home is definitely not, under any circumstances.
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Strange assessment.

Regards attack majority of teams play some form of 443 formation some more fluid than others (with teams also opting for plsyers who can play as a striker as well as out wide). Which we have played since wilder came back, this is why we got BBD who can operate from wide and down the middle. Can only assume you don't watch a lot of football these days.

Regards your Wilder comment, you can no deny that since he has come in our team looks like they want to play and we have become harder to beat. We are also playing better football as oppose to beginning of the season. You mention about conceding 5 goals etc but 2 was penalties and 1 was a wonder strike. The 5th was poor defending and keeps could have done better, we had enough chances of our own to level with Brighton well before 4th and 5th.. that was with a weaker team we put out ( I don't know why he would have put osborn in or Norwood) I think he got that wrong but overall wasn't as if they battered us as the score line suggests nor was it as if the keeper was dogshit either.
 
I think he is planning to do similar in this close season to what he did when he came in after Adkins
 
Edinblade said:
I feel Wilder showed a lack of ambition on Saturday. Relegation is assured, even if some teams above suffer points deductions, so the cup is all we had to have a go at. With that in mind the team he picked was never going to win.

Goalie: unless Wilder knows something we don’t the new goalie is no better than Wes. In fact he may not be as good. Having confirmed the signing the day before he should have given the guy more time to settle.

Defence: without Robinson it’s always weaker and never stood a chance.

Midfield: Whatever made him pick Norwood and Osborn. It’s as though he had no interest in winning. These two should have been sat with Fleck. If he wanted to try different players or tactics, he should have played the youngsters. There was absolutely nothing to gain by playing Norwood or Osborn.

Attack: Why the heck did he start with three strikers. Who does that these days against anyone, never mind a top premier league side.

Wilder has his work cut out to show he still has what it takes. I would love for him to succeed but my confidence has taken a huge knock. Losing by the odd goal is acceptable, but conceding 5 goals at home is definitely not, under any circumstances.
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Maybe, unlike you, he hasn't given up on coming 17th ?
 
The Crab said:
It’s better but still not good enough to make the difference that was needed, but that’s not on Wilder. It’s on poor recruitment previously in my opinion
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"Poor" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there buddy... I'm struggling to think of a worse Summer of (in) activity...

By comparison the last two Summers of Wilder's first reign look like golden days!!!
 
Unless by some crazy gift of FFP Everton and Forest are thrown right in the mixer with a points deduction (2nd one of Everton) we have to get 6 points from the next 3 games and then build on that. Although sounds hard (ooh err) Palace away, Villa Home and Luton away it isn't impossible to do that to put us on 16 points. We almost have to look at a segment of games as a mini season. In bold are possibly the "easiest" of wins if we took 6 points from each of the remaining "Segments" of games. With another win in there, I have put this in the last 5 fixtures it would give us a further 27 points finishing on 37. Although a huge ask, if the clubs wants to remain in the Premier League this is the type of "task" it needs to achieve. 37 was enough last season. Otherwise I can genuinely see us down after the Luton game if we don't win any of the next 3.

Palace (Away)
Villa (Home)
Luton (Away)

Brighton (Home)
Wolves (Away)
Bournemouth (Away)
Man United (Away)

Fulham (Home)
Liverpool (Away)
Chelsea (Home)
Brentford (Away)

Burnley (Home)
Newcastle (Away)
Forest (Home)
Everton (Away)
Tottenham (Home)
 
LBA_Blade said:
Unless by some crazy gift of FFP Everton and Forest are thrown right in the mixer with a points deduction (2nd one of Everton) we have to get 6 points from the next 3 games and then build on that. Although sounds hard (ooh err) Palace away, Villa Home and Luton away it isn't impossible to do that to put us on 16 points. We almost have to look at a segment of games as a mini season. In bold are possibly the "easiest" of wins if we took 6 points from each of the remaining "Segments" of games. With another win in there, I have put this in the last 5 fixtures it would give us a further 27 points finishing on 37. Although a huge ask, if the clubs wants to remain in the Premier League this is the type of "task" it needs to achieve. 37 was enough last season. Otherwise I can genuinely see us down after the Luton game if we don't win any of the next 3.

Palace (Away)
Villa (Home)
Luton (Away)

Brighton (Home)
Wolves (Away)
Bournemouth (Away)
Man United (Away)

Fulham (Home)
Liverpool (Away)
Chelsea (Home)
Brentford (Away)

Burnley (Home)
Newcastle (Away)
Forest (Home)
Everton (Away)
Tottenham (Home)
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Winning one would be a struggle!
 
LBA_Blade said:
Unless by some crazy gift of FFP Everton and Forest are thrown right in the mixer with a points deduction (2nd one of Everton) we have to get 6 points from the next 3 games and then build on that. Although sounds hard (ooh err) Palace away, Villa Home and Luton away it isn't impossible to do that to put us on 16 points. We almost have to look at a segment of games as a mini season. In bold are possibly the "easiest" of wins if we took 6 points from each of the remaining "Segments" of games. With another win in there, I have put this in the last 5 fixtures it would give us a further 27 points finishing on 37. Although a huge ask, if the clubs wants to remain in the Premier League this is the type of "task" it needs to achieve. 37 was enough last season. Otherwise I can genuinely see us down after the Luton game if we don't win any of the next 3.

Palace (Away)
Villa (Home)
Luton (Away)

Brighton (Home)
Wolves (Away)
Bournemouth (Away)
Man United (Away)

Fulham (Home)
Liverpool (Away)
Chelsea (Home)
Brentford (Away)

Burnley (Home)
Newcastle (Away)
Forest (Home)
Everton (Away)
Tottenham (Home)
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We were down when we played Palace......in August!
 

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