Wilder to Sunderland?

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Can't be a coincidence Wilder made his speech last week, the day before the Sunderland takeover was announced, has he been tapped up?

He says he wants it sorting quickly, the legal process means this is an impossibility.

Go figure....

It looks ominous Treeton. I think this time next week we'll know where we stand as to whether the Sunderland interest becomes firmed up. I think their takeover will be confirmed very soon and I guess they'll make their move. I can see Wilder wants to talk to them at the very least.
 

Just trying to equate this to how it would be if it had happened to me in my own working life. So McCabe and the Prince are my employers and I am their key employee, and I have just massively overachieved in my last two years and got them out of a shit situation. Now they indicate that there are some changes afoot but they won't talk to me. Other employers seem interested in me as they know what I have achieved and I could probably get a big salary increase and a bigger budget to work with. What would I do?
 
Personally, I think Wilder is playing a risky game. Lighting a fire under the owners is one thing but doing it by publicly flirting with walking out on the club is something else.

CW knows he has the backing of 99.9% of the fanbase but leveraging it to attempt to force the owners to give him what he wants, even though they're in the middle of negotiation / litigation (depending on which version you believe) and therefore unlikely / unable to conform, even if they would like to, could backfire.

Depending on his priorities (his career versus the club he supports) he might see himself in a no lose situation - no matter what happens he has enhanced his reputation and I'd likely to be offered bigger and better roles (whether Sunderland counts as either is another question).

My issue is that he has done it so publicly. He might see it as his only option but I feel he risks losing the backing of the owners by attempting to strong arm them and parts of the fanbase who once they get over their desperation that he mustn't be allowed to leave may start to look at it more rationally.

With things as they are (and not a million miles away from the circumstances under which he left Oxford) I suspect he'll go over the summer and I wish him well if he does but the club will remain and I will continue to support them even if the don't do as well next season and worst case, even get relegated.

Football is an odd business and one of very few that people expect or even demand you put your loyalty to a club above personal ambition. I don't blame CW for wanting clarity on what's going on at Utd or if he feels he'll be better off elsewhere but there are ways and means and CW actions over the last couple of weeks are not how I'd have played it.
 
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Personally, I think Wilder is playing a risky game. Lighting a fire under the owners is one thing but doing it by publicly flirting with walking out on the club is something else.

CW knows he has the backing of 99.9% of the fanbase but leveraging it to attempt to force the owners to give him what he wants, even though they're in the middle of negotiation / litigation (depending on which version you believe) and therefore unlikely / unable to conform, even if they would like to, could backfire.

Depending on his priorities (his career versus the club he supports) he might see himself in a no lose situation - no matter what happens he has enhanced his reputation and I'd likely to be offered bigger and better roles (whether Sunderland counts as either is another question).

My issue is that he has done it so publicly. He might see it as his only option but I feel he risks losing the backing of the owners by attempting to strong arm them and parts of the fanbase who once they get over their desperation that he mustn't be allowed to leave may start to look at it more rationally.

With things as they are (and not a million miles away from the circumstances under which he left Oxford) I suspect he'll go over the summer and I wish him well if he does but the club will remain and I will continue to support them even if the don't do as well next season and worst case, even get relegated.

Football is an odd business and one of very few that people expect or even demand you put your loyalty to a club above personal ambition. I don't blame CW for wanting clarity on what's going on at Utd or if he feels he'll be better off elsewhere but there are ways and means and CW actions over the last couple of weeks are not how I'd have played it.

Wonder how he, or we, would react if a player did the same?
 
Just trying to equate this to how it would be if it had happened to me in my own working life. So McCabe and the Prince are my employers and I am their key employee, and I have just massively overachieved in my last two years and got them out of a shit situation. Now they indicate that there are some changes afoot but they won't talk to me. Other employers seem interested in me as they know what I have achieved and I could probably get a big salary increase and a bigger budget to work with. What would I do?
Not really the same though. I doubt you grew dreaming of joining the company and then rising to senior managerial level, or the company has thousands of loyal customers who will be upset if you left.
Football doesn't equate to 'normal' life. We would never take our custom to another company, and will continue to pay hundreds of pounds ever year even when we know the product is sub standard.
 
Not really the same though. I doubt you grew dreaming of joining the company and then rising to senior managerial level, or the company has thousands of loyal customers who will be upset if you left.
Football doesn't equate to 'normal' life. We would never take our custom to another company, and will continue to pay hundreds of pounds ever year even when we know the product is sub standard.

Some fair points but he does have his career to think of as well. It may well be the job he grew up dreaming about but if the board are taking the piss and not even talking to him that won't bode well the longer it continues. He'll be wanting to draw up his retain/release list and crack on with planning for next season, that doesn't look at all possible at the moment.
 
Wonder how he, or we, would react if a player did the same?

Knowing you HB, you'd take the bugger over your knee, pull down his shorts, and slap his arse 'til it was a rosey hue. That'd teach the anarcho streak in any player and send out a message that the old ways are the best ways.

Too many players have seen the scene from 'Oliver' where the young boy timidly asks if he can have more. That be the route to chaos and heresy.
 
I am still struggling with the idea that a good career move for Wilder is to move to a club in a state of chaos that is a division lower, which has players on huge wages it can't shift and who've shown themselves to be completely hopeless, on the basis that they've got a few bob to spend.
 
Personally, I think Wilder is playing a risky game. Lighting a fire under the owners is one thing but doing it by publicly flirting with walking out on the club is something else.

CW knows he has the backing of 99.9% of the fanbase but leveraging it to attempt to force the owners to give him what he wants, even though they're in the middle of negotiation / litigation (depending on which version you believe) and therefore unlikely / unable to conform, even if they would like to, could backfire.

Depending on his priorities (his career versus the club he supports) he might see himself in a no lose situation - no matter what happens he has enhanced his reputation and I'd likely to be offered bigger and better roles (whether Sunderland counts as either is another question).

My issue is that he has done it so publicly. He might see it as his only option but I feel he risks losing the backing of the owners by attempting to strong arm them and parts of the fanbase who once they get over their desperation that he mustn't be allowed to leave may start to look at it more rationally.

With things as they are (and not a million miles away from the circumstances under which he left Oxford) I suspect he'll go over the summer and I wish him well if he does but the club will remain and I will continue to support them even if the don't do as well next season and worst case, even get relegated.

Football is an odd business and one of very few that people expect or even demand you put your loyalty to a club above personal ambition. I don't blame CW for wanting clarity on what's going on at Utd or if he feels he'll be better off elsewhere but there are ways and means and CW actions over the last couple of weeks are not how I'd have played it.

Great post, I agree with all of it. I don't blame Wilder at all for how he has handled it, but it wouldn't have been my way either. Not to the extent he has done. I was fully behind in after the PNE match and I still am very much so after his last interview but at the end of the day I don't like hearing my club's manager non committal about his future. As Wilder has always said about his own players - if you don't want to be there then go. Now I know he would say that the job is being made near impossible but if i was him I would wait longer than he seems prepared to. Its easy for me today that of course.

I notice that Mick McCarthy has distanced himself from rumours he was interested in the job. That's not to say he might not be but his recent visit up to Sunderland was merely a coincidence. I get the impression that Stuart Donald wants Wilder and if not then Appleton - both have Oxford connections of course. Ironically I can see McCarthy coming to us, which I wouldn't mind if Wilder sadly leaves but many probably wouldn't want. But his record is very good.
 
If wilder does go and I hope he doesn't let me throw a name out there Brian Dean did a good job in Norway with a small crowd of club when he was there for 2 years they improved each year
 
He’s the favourite with short odds for the next Sunderland job. Twitter says there is a connection from CW Oxford days to their new chairman?

The new chairman has also made them debt free which is suppose be close to £100million!

Should we be worried?
No
 

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