Wilder Rattled

[Nick Jansky]

Not necessarily saying you're doing this, but many fans seem to think if we just make the "right" decisions as a club, we'll stay up and consolidate.

Loads of well run clubs get promoted, hire progressive, tactically astute managers, sign plenty of good players and still get relegated. We didn't do anything badly wrong last time, it's just that someone has to go down and half the teams have unlimited money.

I would say the transfer business last time was very badly wrong. Just take a look at our lineup for the opening match v Palace, and it didn’t get dramatically better after that.

 

[AWetFlannel]

I would say the transfer business last time was very badly wrong. Just take a look at our lineup for the opening match v Palace, and it didn’t get dramatically better after that.

Apologies, by last time I meant last time under Wilder. Hecky's squad had absolutely no hope, but tbf I don't think the money we had available could've possibly kept us up. I see that as being due to the owner being skint, rather than poor decision making.

 

[finlaytheblade]

It’s undeniably a very impressive resume for the EFL. He’s another Warnock & there’s nothing wrong with that. 2019/20 was an outlier when many planets aligned in a way unlikely to be repeated. It was never going to be sustainable. Do you really think he’d achieve something similar to that next season? Hopefully we’ll soon find out. He will or he won’t. My money’s on won’t.

Yes but we want to have a go don't we ? No point in playing football without a goal to acheave!
Bring it on !

 

[Nick Jansky]

Yes but we want to have a go don't we ? No point in playing football without a goal to acheave!
Bring it on !

Yes, I agree. But “having a go” means doing whatever gives you the best chance of success (whatever “success” actually looks like in that vile league). Money, and using what you have well, is a big part of that, and so is making sure that everything off the pitch, including the coaching set up, is as good as it can be.

 

[Yoonited]

Not many managers that would come to us with this kind of resume. Love how you brused over the 19/20 best manager in the country award though.View attachment 204068

I like how you've brushed over no awards in the Prem for Wilder.
I thought his post clearly said "Horses for courses"
In other words,Wilder is very well suited to Championship and below,but not good enough for managing long term in the prem.
Time may tell but I'd rather we had a more balanced and less reactionary manager whose honest with his fellow Blades.
I don't deny he's achieved,but backs to the wall underdog football,which he often paints us as,isn't a recipe for a sustained premier league spot.
It's his mindset that I struggle with.

 

[finlaytheblade]

How do you square the circle !
Almost impossible to do it and stay within the rules.
Forest did it and I feel there was sympathy within the game for them for doing it ! with an owner who gambled big time and got away with it! Just.
They set a template there !/will any other club try that way.
No doubt it worked for them are the rules strong enough to stop any other club doing it that way.
As it stands no!)
Maybe the playing field will level out a bit with a government regulator.
The genie was let out of the bottle with the premier league ! The genie turned into the devil with money driving or lack of it driving clubs to the wall ! Clubs without wealthy owners are finding it harder and harder to compete !outside the premiership of course.

 

[FTPE]

I like how you've brushed over no awards in the Prem for Wilder.
I thought his post clearly said "Horses for courses"
In other words,Wilder is very well suited to Championship and below,but not good enough for managing long term in the prem.
Time may tell but I'd rather we had a more balanced and less reactionary manager whose honest with his fellow Blades.
I don't deny he's achieved,but backs to the wall underdog football,which he often paints us as,isn't a recipe for a sustained premier league spot.
It's his mindset that I struggle with.

I just don't understand how you can finish 9th with our budget and not be good enough for the Premier League?
There's genuinely people that would swap Wilder for Rohl if we went up and that absolutely blows my mind!

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I like how you've brushed over no awards in the Prem for Wilder.

120 million prize money first season plus 100 million for the next absolutely coming in is a far better prize for this club than winning manager of the month for a good spell in October tbh!

 

[Yoonited]

I just don't understand how you can finish 9th with our budget and not be good enough for the Premier League?
There's genuinely people that would swap Wilder for Rohl if we went up and that absolutely blows my mind!

It wasn't sustained though,despite all the money.
I don't think Wilder keeps us in prem long term.

 

[FTPE]

It wasn't sustained though,despite all the money.
I don't think Wilder keeps us in prem long term.

I don't think anyone does personally.
And if anyone can it won't be the first manager we choose. It'd take Chris getting us up, chris keeping us up, Chris stabilising us. Then we'll probably get a couple of new managers that'll either slightly push us on, or more likely undo Wilders work and get us relegated.
You don't go up, sack Wilder, bring in a 31 yr old Fabian Hürzeler and automatically make top 10.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I don't think anyone does personally.
And if anyone can it won't be the first manager we choose. It'd take Chris getting us up, chris keeping us up, Chris stabilising us. Then we'll probably get a couple of new managers that'll either slightly push us on, or more likely undo Wilders work and get us relegated.
You don't go up, sack Wilder, bring in a 31 yr old Fabian Hürzeler and automatically make top 10.

Bournemouth are currently showing exactly what a combination of smart manager and player recruitment can achieve. Iraola was on nobody’s radar when he arrived there. Look at where they are today, with a net transfer spend of £32m last summer. They, more so than Brighton or Brentford, should be the model that our new ownership should, and I think will, seek to emulate. If we stick with parochialism we will never succeed.

 

[bonobo]

I think not being good enough for the Premier league and not keeping a team up are two different things. I think you could take all 20 managers give them a season in charge of Southampton and maybe 2 might keep them up. Does not make them all not good enough. That doesn't mean conceding 100 plus goals is acceptable either. But the task is just getting more and more acceptable

 

[Chimpan-A]

Before anyone starts buying what Weds fans are spouting about Rohl, remember that he is in that enviable position where nothing is his fault and everything is his achievement. If they win, he is a genius on a budget, if they lose, Chansiri is making it impossible for him. His famous “in game management” in reality means he gets it wrong a hell of a lot in the first half. He keeps persisting with a misfiring Ugbo, and benching Smith, their only real goal scorer. He moans about refs more than Wilder but because he is softly spoken and young, everyone ignores it.
The reality is he is one of a group of decent managers hovering around the middle of the Championship. He may go on to great things, or we may be saying “whatever happened to …” in a few years.
Meanwhile we have a manager who has been there, done it and seems to be doing it again. Just because he looks like a bag of builder’s rubble and sounds like a factory worker, he is dismissed as a dinosaur. Well if he is one, he’s one of the clever ones that can open doors and outsmart his human prey!

 

[FTPE]

Bournemouth are currently showing exactly what a combination of smart manager and player recruitment can achieve. Iraola was on nobody’s radar when he arrived there. Look at where they are today, with a net transfer spend of £32m last summer. They, more so than Brighton or Brentford, should be the model that our new ownership should, and I think will, seek to emulate. If we stick with parochialism we will never succeed.

They are a complete one off though, and I wouldn't say they are full established up there just yet. If they went down last season would anyone really be that shocked.
They're doing amazing, admittedly, and this is their first foreign manager for as long as I can remember, but its been a huge building process.

What I will say though is, it's think being Southern helps. It helps a lot.
I can't imagine a Wigan, Huddersfield, Blackburn etc doing what Brighton and Brentford are.

 

[FriethBlade]

All those foaming at the mouth after the Pompey game saying wait till Boro batter us seem to have gone a bit quiet following another 6 points and a great performance against Boro!

At half time all those around me at Luton including me were bemoaning the team selection and performance but AGAIN we came away with 3 points. At some point Wilder has to be given a lot of credit by the none believers for how he's turned this squad around. Hopefully that will be at full time on Monday night.

 

[Yoonited]

I don't think anyone does personally.
And if anyone can it won't be the first manager we choose. It'd take Chris getting us up, chris keeping us up, Chris stabilising us. Then we'll probably get a couple of new managers that'll either slightly push us on, or more likely undo Wilders work and get us relegated.
You don't go up, sack Wilder, bring in a 31 yr old Fabian Hürzeler and automatically make top 10.

I don't think anyone does personally.
And if anyone can it won't be the first manager we choose. It'd take Chris getting us up, chris keeping us up, Chris stabilising us. Then we'll probably get a couple of new managers that'll either slightly push us on, or more likely undo Wilders work and get us relegated.
You don't go up, sack Wilder, bring in a 31 yr old Fabian Hürzeler and automatically make top 10.

I'd like a Thomas Frank-esque manager misen.Not happening.
I'm not overly fussed which division.My priority is being entertained much more often than not.
I don't see the point otherwise.
Surpassing our city rivals whilst enjoyable is for me a small bonus,where for others it can appear to be a key driver.
Not on here so much as in the workplace.
I do wonder how we'd fare being a one club city.
Red n white of course

 

[Zeblades34]

I'd like a Thomas Frank-esque manager misen.Not happening.
I'm not overly fussed which division.My priority is being entertained much more often than not.
I don't see the point otherwise.
Surpassing our city rivals whilst enjoyable is for me a small bonus,where for others it can appear to be a key driver.
Not on here so much as in the workplace.
I do wonder how we'd fare being a one club city.
Red n white of course

I'd sooner us win 1-0 every week playing shite football tbh

 

[Zeblades34]

I'd sooner us win 1-0 every week playing shite football tbh

Not a dig at wilder or team currently btw just meant generally

 

[Yoonited]

I just don't understand how you can finish 9th with our budget and not be good enough for the Premier League?
There's genuinely people that would swap Wilder for Rohl if we went up and that absolutely blows my mind!

I can see some merits for Rohl in that if he had players with our quality they'd be competing in the top 6.They do progress the ball quicker and with more intent.
They can't defend for shit.
He's doing well considering he has Chancer at the helm.

 

[Yoonited]

I'd sooner us win 1-0 every week playing shite football tbh

Fair enough mateChoice is key.
We'll never all be simultaneously satisfied.

 

[Zeblades34]

Fair enough mateChoice is key.
We'll never all be simultaneously satisfied.

Agreed mate! nowadays it is becoming more of a thing with managers that the performance comes first which to an extent is right but 3 points always main thing for me. Just wanna beat them lot monday play well or not after last nights party on pitch they had

 

[Keen Blade]

They are a complete one off though, and I wouldn't say they are full established up there just yet. If they went down last season would anyone really be that shocked.
They're doing amazing, admittedly, and this is their first foreign manager for as long as I can remember, but its been a huge building process.

What I will say though is, it's think being Southern helps. It helps a lot.
I can't imagine a Wigan, Huddersfield, Blackburn etc doing what Brighton and Brentford are.

Blackburn won the PL ...

But I get your point

The 3 little southern Bs are able to attract talented foreign players to a better climate , pretty old English soft countryside and/or proximity to London

 

[Yoonited]

Agreed mate! nowadays it is becoming more of a thing with managers that the performance comes first which to an extent is right but 3 points always main thing for me. Just wanna beat them lot monday play well or not after last nights party on pitch they had

I'd rather we focus on how we can hurt teams from the off,instead of setting up to negate the oppo.
Seen far too much of it.
Hamer to rifle in our 3rd on 93 mins in a close exciting encounter,won by the odd goal.
We still "all fuckin hate Leeds"

 

[Zeblades34]

I'd rather we focus on how we can hurt teams from the off,instead of setting up to negate the oppo.
Seen far too much of it.
Hamer to rifle in our 3rd on 93 mins in a close exciting encounter,won by the odd goal.
We still "all fuckin hate Leeds"

Agree, the set up at the reverse fixture were proper negative. Need to have a go at them monday night get crowd on side and push us on. At this rate i'll take an ampadu OG

 

[Nick Jansky]

They are a complete one off though, and I wouldn't say they are full established up there just yet. If they went down last season would anyone really be that shocked.
They're doing amazing, admittedly, and this is their first foreign manager for as long as I can remember, but its been a huge building process.

What I will say though is, it's think being Southern helps. It helps a lot.
I can't imagine a Wigan, Huddersfield, Blackburn etc doing what Brighton and Brentford are.

I’m not buying much of that. They are far from a complete one off. They do set a great example for other clubs who are fortunate enough to attract a decent level of investment, though.

When I watch Bournemouth this season, which I really enjoy, I see the result of appointing the guy who I believe is currently the best manager in the PL, pound for pound. There are some very smart and progressive coaches with new ideas out there & they are gettable.

They are right up there on player recruitment, too. You are correct that they’ve been a project, but we also need to embark on exactly that, and the change in ownership will be the catalyst for that.

I think our next few years will be very interesting and those who aren’t rooted in parochialism and terrified of change will hopefully enjoy it. With the new ownership I expect change and progress and if they learn lessons from other clubs I find that exciting.

 

[Tony Currie]

It wasn't sustained though,despite all the money.
I don't think Wilder keeps us in prem long term.

Totally unfair! The club employed a policy of buying the best young Championship players and see if they can step up. If we go up this time we should learn from this and strengthen with a some premiership pedigree - especially defence.

 

[Yoonited]

I’m not buying much of that. They are far from a complete one off. They do set a great example for other clubs who are fortunate enough to attract a decent level of investment, though.

When I watch Bournemouth this season, which I really enjoy, I see the result of appointing the guy who I believe is currently the best manager in the PL, pound for pound. There are some very smart and progressive coaches with new ideas out there & they are gettable.

They are right up there on player recruitment, too. You are correct that they’ve been a project, but we also need to embark on exactly that, and the change in ownership will be the catalyst for that.

I think our next few years will be very interesting and those who aren’t rooted in parochialism and terrified of change will hopefully enjoy it. With the new ownership I expect change and progress and if they learn lessons from other clubs I find that exciting.

Progressive on and off the pitch would be delightful to see.
Starting next Monday.

 

[Yoonited]

Totally unfair! The club employed a policy of buying the best young Championship players and see if they can step up. If we go up this time we should learn from this and strengthen with a some premiership pedigree - especially defence.

I'm not convinced Wilder is capable of learning from mistakes.
Not a fan of "Should " either

 

[Nick Jansky]

Totally unfair! The club employed a policy of buying the best young Championship players and see if they can step up. If we go up this time we should learn from this and strengthen with a some premiership pedigree - especially defence.

And realistically a lot of that premiership pedigree will have to come from abroad. If the manager is resistant to that then we have the wrong manager. Hopefully he’s learned.

 

[Bell4]

I agree that if we play as we have been lately they will beat us. If we approach it as we did the game at the Riverside they will beat us. But maybe we’ll come out flying, have them on the back foot and get a statement win. Either way, these are the games on which Wilder needs to be judged.

How the fuck did you do that ?

Respect