Wilder - Playing football the old fashioned way

[EmleyMoorBlade]

As I think a lot of us Blades plus many others in La Liga at the moment are wondering just what is the secret of the success that Wilder and Knill have created and we are experiencing at BDBL

Wilder commented in a recent interview ‘ the new way to play football is the old fashioned way ‘

Been thinking about this and there are several things which then follow on in from this
* our squad which is the only one with all British or Irish born players,
* the attitude of actually trying to win every game,
* giving everything for the full 90 minutes and stoppage time,
* getting properly stuck into tackles when needed,
* not rolling around when tackled/ fouled ( Balcock on Friday classic example),
* knowing you will get dropped not only if you don’t play well but also if you don’t give 100%
* the whole group ethic, no one is more valuable than the whole so no star problems

There are many better brains than mine no doubt trying to fathom the secret but I think these factors are all part of the magic dust CW and AK have sprinkled across our club.

I know our lads will not be lacking on a cold wet Tuesday night in February, will the imports at Wolves and the other big spending clubs still be up for the battle then, be interesting to see. Our players all know this is probably their best chance to be playing at the highest level of their careers ( Wright,Fleck,Baldock,Stevens etc) and it could just, if this dream continues get a whole lot better both for them and us as the fans.

Be interested to hear others thoughts

UTB

 

[McGrath]

In many ways I think Wilder is ahead of his time, never mind old school. How many teams have centre halves playing on the over lap or wing backs cutting in to lead the line?

A lot of the points you make above are pre requisites to a successful team in any era, and are just common sense. There's nothing old fashioned about it

 

[BushBlade]

In many ways I think Wilder is ahead of his time, never mind old school. How many teams have centre halves playing on the over lap or wing backs cutting in to lead the line?

A lot of the points you make above are pre requisites to a successful team in any era, and are just common sense. There's nothing old fashioned about it

Exactly, those attributes were the same for Shankly's Liverpool or Fergie's Man U, apart from the nationality thing which is mainly coincidence due to us spending six years in L1 and never scouting beyond our shores. The idea some bloke from Cornwall is naturally going to have more affinity with us than some Dutch or German player is slightly risible.

 

[vorpal blade]

The idea some bloke from Cornwall is naturally going to have more affinity with us than some Dutch or German player is slightly risible.

au cointreau - though the Dutch and Germans are enviously good at English, they usually won't be quite as good as the Cornish. Being able to understand each other is the essence of 'affinity' isn't it?

and football in Cornwall is governed by the FA, the pitches at 'grassroots' level (sorry) will be just as unkempt and muddy as those in Sheffield or Ashington, the academies programme, the scouting etc. etc. will all be far more similar in Cornwall than in Amsterdam or Leipzig.

Anyway, we haven't got an all British Isles born squad have we? (not quite)

I think it obviously helps that all our players are singing from the same hymn sheet and the amount of foreign staff hired in a hurry on the books of so many teams elsewhere is a clear problem to the clubs they play for, its manifestly a problem for the England team too, did you see how well the under 17s did yesterday?

 

[HolmesfieldBlade]

The scary thing is I can’t see us dropping off or losing tempo now. Wilder just doesn’t work like that and, as you said, our team has had to go and grind out wins in some pretty dogged places. Come February we may have pulled away due to this.

 

[BushBlade]

au cointreau - though the Dutch and Germans are enviously good at English, they usually won't be quite as good as the Cornish. Being able to understand each other is the essence of 'affinity' isn't it?

Anyway, we haven't got an all British Isles born squad have we?

I haven't checked because I don't really care. I couldn't disagree with your other point more, understanding each other is about than simply verbal communication. And what do you think players discuss that needs a perfect understanding of the language; nineteenth century philosophy? Quantum physics?

 

[DronnieBlade]

Much of what OP says is bang on IMHO. The mental toughness and strength engendered by the management team is epic.

However.

There is nothing old fashioned about how we pass and move teams around, we close them down quickly denying time and space, and use our quarterback kingpin to such good effect who has the technique, vision and nouse to consistently make the right decisions.

Joyous, and nothing I have seen in over 30 years supporting the Blades comes close.

UTB

 

[John Street West Terrace]

As I think a lot of us Blades plus many others in La Liga at the moment are wondering just what is the secret of the success that Wilder and Knill have created and we are experiencing at BDBL

Wilder commented in a recent interview ‘ the new way to play football is the old fashioned way ‘

Been thinking about this and there are several things which then follow on in from this
* our squad which is the only one with all British or Irish born players,
* the attitude of actually trying to win every game,
* giving everything for the full 90 minutes and stoppage time,
* getting properly stuck into tackles when needed,
* not rolling around when tackled/ fouled ( Balcock on Friday classic example),
* knowing you will get dropped not only if you don’t play well but also if you don’t give 100%
* the whole group ethic, no one is more valuable than the whole so no star problems

There are many better brains than mine no doubt trying to fathom the secret but I think these factors are all part of the magic dust CW and AK have sprinkled across our club.

I know our lads will not be lacking on a cold wet Tuesday night in February, will the imports at Wolves and the other big spending clubs still be up for the battle then, be interesting to see. Our players all know this is probably their best chance to be playing at the highest level of their careers ( Wright,Fleck,Baldock,Stevens etc) and it could just, if this dream continues get a whole lot better both for them and us as the fans.

Be interested to hear others thoughts

UTB

Think you’ve got that spot on EMB ... ,brought back some ‘old fashioned’ standardsv& ethics , I put old fashioned in inverted commas because they should always be there in team sport to have any chance of being successful

CW got the lads he inherited to buy into this , moved on those that were good enough or didn’t ,and been very shrewd in recruiting the right type of players also with balance down either flank and the spine of the team

We play to a set pattern where everybody knows there job and role in the team , and high standards & demands are made right from the top about attitude, commitment and expectation

The 11 that turn out in shirt in any game give 100% playing quality attacking football ,and above all that it’s damn good to watch for the man paying his wages at the turnstiles

Long may it continue, its a pleasure watch

 

[Pinchy]

Much of what OP says is bang on IMHO. The mental toughness and strength engendered by the management team is epic.

However.

There is nothing old fashioned about how we pass and move teams around, we close them down quickly denying time and space, and use our quarterback kingpin to such good effect who has the technique, vision and nouse to consistently make the right decisions.

Joyous, and nothing I have seen in over 30 years supporting the Blades comes close.

UTB

Now you’re back on form! Good to see.

Tuftyball - Proper football; played the right way. Pass and move. Press the ball; Suffocate the opposition; Keep the ball; Pass it to each other; Move intelligently as a unit; If they happen to get it hunt them down; starve them of oxygen. Get the ball; Pass and Move. There’s nothing old or new about it. It’s eternal and it works. You need very good players (comparative to the level at which you play) but by Pele, it works. The significant bonus is that it’s an absolute joy to watch,

Quality management. Quality players. Quality football. Quality Counts. There it is.

 

[vorpal blade]

I haven't checked because I don't really care. I couldn't disagree with your other point more, understanding each other is about than simply verbal communication. And what do you think players discuss that needs a perfect understanding of the language; nineteenth century philosophy? Quantum physics?

Sorry mate, I just thought you'd given the same old 'politically correct' response - you know, the sort of thing Donald Tusk would spit out as a reflex.

Have you woken up with a hangover ?

 

[snootyfenooty]

I haven't checked because I don't really care. I couldn't disagree with your other point more, understanding each other is about than simply verbal communication. And what do you think players discuss that needs a perfect understanding of the language; nineteenth century philosophy? Quantum physics?

You should look at speaking the same language in an idiomatic sense rather than a literal one. Speaking the same language means they will be able to rip the piss out out of each other in that weird British way without taking offence, like Yaya Toure did with his fucking birthday cake. It surely gives us a unique advantage as we must be the only club in the top two divisions in this situation.

 

[McGrath]

I think this thing about us having a squad of British players and it being somehow quaint is frankly a load of bollocks....

There's lots of talent in the British game, it just gets cast a side in favour of clubs signing the finished article from abroad. No one nurtures their talent, because the quick fix is too important.

Wilder and Knill are showing how good coaching works, married up with a tight knit squad who play for each other.

Would we have the same level of team spirit and fight for each other with a bunch of foreign mercenaries.... I doubt it.

 

[BushBlade]

Sorry mate, I just thought you'd given the same old 'politically correct' response - you know, the sort of thing Donald Tusk would spit out as a reflex.

Have you woken up with a hangover ?

No, flu, bad back and the clock going back no longer means I get an extra hour in bed, I just wake up early.

Realistically, we're not going to go out and buy 11 new players who can't speak a word of English, it will be the odd signing from abroad who's been extensively scouted and is considered to be the right kind of character. Think Bergen Blade, not Roberto.

 

[BushBlade]

You should look at speaking the same language in an idiomatic sense rather than a literal one. Speaking the same language means they will be able to rip the piss out out of each other in that weird British way without taking offence, like Yaya Toure did with his fucking birthday cake. It surely gives us a unique advantage as we must be the only club in the top two divisions in this situation.

You think the Spurs players don't rip the piss out of each other? You've been around a bit, you must have come across plenty of non-Brits who 'get it'.
Toure was just being a mard arse, we have those in Sheffield too. Just not at our club. There's some good value to be had abroad if we scout properly, even Burnley sign foreign players. You won't get a better team spirit than Leicester when they won the league and they had Kante and Mahrez (who is a bit of a mard arse), Okasaki, etc.

 

[super_pig]

As I think a lot of us Blades plus many others in La Liga at the moment are wondering just what is the secret of the success that Wilder and Knill have created and we are experiencing at BDBL

Wilder commented in a recent interview ‘ the new way to play football is the old fashioned way ‘

Been thinking about this and there are several things which then follow on in from this
* our squad which is the only one with all British or Irish born players,
* the attitude of actually trying to win every game,
* giving everything for the full 90 minutes and stoppage time,
* getting properly stuck into tackles when needed,
* not rolling around when tackled/ fouled ( Balcock on Friday classic example),
* knowing you will get dropped not only if you don’t play well but also if you don’t give 100%
* the whole group ethic, no one is more valuable than the whole so no star problems

There are many better brains than mine no doubt trying to fathom the secret but I think these factors are all part of the magic dust CW and AK have sprinkled across our club.

I know our lads will not be lacking on a cold wet Tuesday night in February, will the imports at Wolves and the other big spending clubs still be up for the battle then, be interesting to see. Our players all know this is probably their best chance to be playing at the highest level of their careers ( Wright,Fleck,Baldock,Stevens etc) and it could just, if this dream continues get a whole lot better both for them and us as the fans.

Be interested to hear others thoughts

UTB

ccv is technically american..
but yes i get what you mean. my great fear is that if we get to the premiership we will be overrun with don't give a shit second division French players with pushy agents on ridiculous wages. the premiership is snided with them

 

[BushBlade]

ccv is technically american..
but yes i get what you mean. my great fear is that if we get to the premiership we will be overrun with don't give a shit second division French players with pushy agents on ridiculous wages. the premiership is snided with them

He's 'technically' English because he was born in Southend but he's eligible to play for the U.S. as his dad is American.

It will be the odd signing rather than the pushy French agents' players because Wilder won't put up with that kind of shit, same goes for the pushy agents of English players and clubs that try to take the piss like Fleetwood.

Remember the Prince spoke about keeping our identity. The best way to do that is to keep listening to Wilder because we have a Blade in charge and he knows what we want.

 

[super_pig]

He's 'technically' English because he was born in Southend but he's eligible to play for the U.S. as his dad is American.

It will be the odd signing rather than the pushy French agents' players because Wilder won't put up with that kind of shit, same goes for the pushy agents of English players and clubs that try to take the piss like Fleetwood.

Remember the Prince spoke about keeping our identity. The best way to do that is to keep listening to Wilder because we have a Blade in charge and he knows what we want.

re: ccv.. yeah i know.. i was just messin' abart.
i'll probably get pelters for this (racist, fascist anti EU blah blah) but i think an essential part of the spirit of the team is we don't have any foreign players. it will take a special foreign player to fit in this squad.. and i'm not talking about ability

 

[BushBlade]

re: ccv.. yeah i know.. i was just messin' abart.
i'll probably get pelters for this (racist, fascist anti EU blah blah) but i think an essential part of the spirit of the team is we don't have any foreign players. it will take a special foreign player to fit in this squad.. and i'm not talking about ability

There's loads of foreigners; scots, scousers, southerners.

I think first and foremost, it's because Wilder knows how to build team spirit. I think he could take a team that looked like the cast of mind your language and having them singing GCB by the end of the day. Plenty of L1 sides had mainly British players but we still battered them.

 

[Fanny magnet]

I'd love to see lads like Tyler Smith,Sam Graham Ben Whiteman break into the team and be as good or better than what we've got

Rd not bladey bladeness I'd just love to see us benefit from our academy that has produced players like Calvert Lewin (who I think would be a great fit in our team now )
Sharp walker lowton Maguire naughton who've gone on to have great careers at other clubs when if we'd been playing as well as we are now we might have been able to hold on to them as the team and the players in it just seem to enjoy being a part of it and I don't see that same pleasure in playing for the club in other championship teams

For me if someone like Smith were to get in the side and provide that pacy goal threat that gave us the final push over the line to another promotion that would be the cherry on the icing on the cake

I'm just dreaming now of course

 

[super_pig]

There's loads of foreigners; scots, scousers, southerners.

I think first and foremost, it's because Wilder knows how to build team spirit. I think he could take a team that looked like the cast of mind your language and having them singing GCB by the end of the day. Plenty of L1 sides had mainly British players but we still battered them.

fair enough. i just look at some of these unheard ofs that play for the likes of Watford and Crystal Palace and it seems like the agent picked the team. most of them are average at best

 

[flashinblade1889]

I think this thing about us having a squad of British players and it being somehow quaint is frankly a load of bollocks....

There's lots of talent in the British game, it just gets cast a side in favour of clubs signing the finished article from abroad. No one nurtures their talent, because the quick fix is too important.

Wilder and Knill are showing how good coaching works, married up with a tight knit squad who play for each other.

Would we have the same level of team spirit and fight for each other with a bunch of foreign mercenaries.... I doubt it.

This^^^^^^^

I bet that kid from Watford is kicking himself for not joining us in August............good move from his agent the cunt.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

On this day in 1898 (HBJnr tells me) our famous goalkeeper Fatty stood Liverpool forward George Allen on his head.

Conceded a penalty, bizarrely. And lost 2-1.

Proper football in those days.

 

[super_pig]

This^^^^^^^

I bet that kid from Watford is kicking himself for not joining us in August............good move from his agent the cunt.

might be just me but a lot of these 'finished article' players don't look that finished. they knob about in the prem for a year .. go to a champ team for a year and then disappear forever.

 

[northsomersetblade]

I think Wilder has so far just took players from the leagues he knows.

When we are playing regularly in Europe I'm sure he will have no problem picking up the best young talent from there as well