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Iggledybobittybo said:
Wilder is yesterday's man please go before the legacy is tainted any further. No attempt to win that match today and even less last week at home which is reprehensible.
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FFS. Is this a wind up? The club is in a very difficult position. Tell youi what? Why not make the same calamitous mistake as last season?
 
I’ll be honest I was leaning to the Wilder out camp before the shit hit the fan (thinking about a promotion push) but now we clearly just need to ensure we don’t explode pig style then I would not even think about changing manager at this point.
 
wak1889 said:
Me too and it really annoys me when 95% of our fanbase blame simonsen for the defeat just because he wasn't as popular as some of the players who were actually at fault
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Bit like blaming Don Givens whereas John Matthews gets a free pass even though he should have taken the penalty
 
Berkshire Blade said:
Anti Wilder posters are blinded by their own set agenda and can't even see it.
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I’m anti-Wilder as they come. Have been since the final whistle of the play off final V Sunderland.

There’s no “agenda” here, it’s what every club has in its fanbase when they’re not doing as well as they should do for a club of its size.

I completely understand our situation off the pitch. However, we have players in our squad who are MORE than capable of beating anyone in this division on their day. We just don’t have a tactically astute manager capable of directing them to do so.

On a reflection, my WILDER OUT thread may be a tad early now I know more about our off the pitch happenings BUT I still think Wilder should be doing much more with the players at his disposal. We’re not even having a go which is the least I expect from a United team containing these players. We look devoid of any ideas or creativity or plan - even urgency. That’s on Wilder.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
Anti Wilder posters are blinded by their own set agenda and can't even see it.
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Berkshire, this is part of the problem, 2 extremes, its possible to be in favour of Wilder but also critical of some of his decisions but you then just get labelled as having an agenda.

For instance its clear from his comments that he thinks we need more experience. As a result hes brought in 3 very soon to be thirty plus year old central midfielders who all basically do the same stuff and only one of whom started yesterday. Given our lack of creativity is it unreasonable to point out that some of those wages could been more wisely spent?

We cant blame the board for us having brought all of Rothwell, Jairo and Phillips in (when we already had Peck and Blaster)but us not having a single left winger (which is one area we needed even before Gus left)
 
Bradfordblade said:
FFS. Is this a wind up? The club is in a very difficult position. Tell youi what? Why not make the same calamitous mistake as last season?
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There are still people that believe Selles was the wrong guy that anyone other than Wilder must also be the wrong guy?
 
FriethBlade said:
Berkshire, this is part of the problem, 2 extremes, its possible to be in favour of Wilder but also critical of some of his decisions but you then just get labelled as having an agenda.

For instance its clear from his comments that he thinks we need more experience. As a result hes brought in 3 very soon to be thirty plus year old central midfielders who all basically do the same stuff and only one of whom started yesterday. Given our lack of creativity is it unreasonable to point out that some of those wages could been more wisely spent?

We cant blame the board for us having brought all of Rothwell, Jairo and Phillips in (when we already had Peck and Blaster)but us not having a single left winger (which is one area we needed even before Gus left)
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Which is all fine.

But starting this thread after an okay performance where we could have won it with everything happening in the boardroom, limited incomings and Chong and One who were bright spots last week missing is obviously someone who wanted to moan regardless.
 
Gimli said:
If Simonsen’s penalty was 6ft lower, it might have stayed in the stadium. Still wouldn’t have threatened the goal though…
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I was always disappointed that Simonsen wasn't spelled Semenson as that name would have lent itself to far more inane gags than the penalty miss, the fax machine and kidney punching.
 
Super Furry Blades said:
I didn't want him back ....
However I think we need to keep him now and get behind him ..
Solid if unspectacular start to the season
Lose against Blackburn & another point on rd in Wales....
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Yep I’ve come to the same conclusion as you I need to support him although I can’t see any successful future with him but that’s mainly down to our owners I’ll be glad when/if we reach 50 points I’m praying that the owners will have found some more money or will have ‘exited the club’
 
I think binning Wilder would be a breathtakingly stupid thing to do. I was deeply suspicious of his second coming and didn't remain convinced right through last season's struggle and the previous season's end of campaign failure. We had a poorly assembled squad of pretty lightweight players and zero bite and shake.

This season we are even worse off and patently not going to tear any trees up. If you take the squad player-for-player we look very capable, but under Wilder we aren't. The thing that saves his bacon for me is that we have tried alternatives to him - Slav, Hecky, Selles - and really paid the price and right now, backstage, we are facing a gigantic existential crisis, possibly bigger for us than the pigs faced last year. No manager worth his salt would come to a club where the ownership was so structually damaged (thanks to their own incompetence) and funds to strengthen are never available.

There's a likelihood we might end up with minus twelve (or combinations of) a transfer embargo, or have the owners bankrupted out of existence with HRH chasing his £35m right through the club. I don't buy any of the soft soaping so called experts spoon onto this situation that the crap COH/1919 have bestowed on Sheffield United in that the court action won't touch the football club and is directed elsewhere. When it all boils down to it they are businessmen and not Bladesmen, and rather than go to jail they will break up and sell anything they can if the lawman comes knocking.

In the meantime all United can do is keep playing football. The fifteen million we have trousered from Brooks and Hamer to them is 'dosh', not 'transfer dosh', which is why we have that piss-weak statement (that we get every year) that we will be looking at loans and out-of-contracts rather than hard, solid purchases and why Anel is at Burnley now and Souttar won't be pulling on stripes this season. It was they who squandered last season's last parachute payment on AI slop and it was they who appointed a novice in place of Wilder, who had clearly fell out with them backstage in the close season over their daft 'plans'. I won't be at all surprised if they make attempts to fire-sale the club and we spend most of this season lurking in the lower third praying for some or other miraculous run or wins and draws to propel us into the outer regions of playoff hope. I mean, the utter preposterousness of us even playing in the top flight without a whole-squad change (we don't have one player - even Bamford, who is close to PL standard) or even the vain hope we would beat the curse and get promoted by the playoffs leaves me suspecting some need mental health treatment.

The bottom line is we are stuck in this division now, and won't be even close to thinking about better times and fulfilled ambitions until every current player is paid off, transferred and gone, WIlder isn't our manager any more and the soft-headed shower of deluded individuals have flogged us to someone with real money. And we all know, that isn't ever going to happen. We don't get that kind of fortune. Look at the hope and expectation when HRH came in on 5% with McCabe and then when he ousted him and took the lot. We were all imagining big purchases and us shooting upwards or even staying in the PL. But what happened?

We may as well dig in and plan for survival with our priority and objective set as not to be relegated, especially with a mediocre, underperforming squad and a manager who is just patching up leaks in the hull.
 



Iggledybobittybo said:
Wilder is yesterday's man please go before the legacy is tainted any further. No attempt to win that match today and even less last week at home which is reprehensible.
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Iggledybobittybo said:
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I don't care who we get so long as it's someone who knows how to get the ball in the box and give the strikers half a chance. The last 10 months under Wilder have been abysmal on that front.
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Same old drivel for 5 years.
 
BazWainwright said:
I think binning Wilder would be a breathtakingly stupid thing to do. I was deeply suspicious of his second coming and didn't remain convinced right through last season's struggle and the previous season's end of campaign failure. We had a poorly assembled squad of pretty lightweight players and zero bite and shake.

This season we are even worse off and patently not going to tear any trees up. If you take the squad player-for-player we look very capable, but under Wilder we aren't. The thing that saves his bacon for me is that we have tried alternatives to him - Slav, Hecky, Selles - and really paid the price and right now, backstage, we are facing a gigantic existential crisis, possibly bigger for us than the pigs faced last year. No manager worth his salt would come to a club where the ownership was so structually damaged (thanks to their own incompetence) and funds to strengthen are never available.

There's a likelihood we might end up with minus twelve (or combinations of) a transfer embargo, or have the owners bankrupted out of existence with HRH chasing his £35m right through the club. I don't buy any of the soft soaping so called experts spoon onto this situation that the crap COH/1919 have bestowed on Sheffield United in that the court action won't touch the football club and is directed elsewhere. When it all boils down to it they are businessmen and not Bladesmen, and rather than go to jail they will break up and sell anything they can if the lawman comes knocking.

In the meantime all United can do is keep playing football. The fifteen million we have trousered from Brooks and Hamer to them is 'dosh', not 'transfer dosh', which is why we have that piss-weak statement (that we get every year) that we will be looking at loans and out-of-contracts rather than hard, solid purchases and why Anel is at Burnley now and Souttar won't be pulling on stripes this season. It was they who squandered last season's last parachute payment on AI slop and it was they who appointed a novice in place of Wilder, who had clearly fell out with them backstage in the close season over their daft 'plans'. I won't be at all surprised if they make attempts to fire-sale the club and we spend most of this season lurking in the lower third praying for some or other miraculous run or wins and draws to propel us into the outer regions of playoff hope. I mean, the utter preposterousness of us even playing in the top flight without a whole-squad change (we don't have one player - even Bamford, who is close to PL standard) or even the vain hope we would beat the curse and get promoted by the playoffs leaves me suspecting some need mental health treatment.

The bottom line is we are stuck in this division now, and won't be even close to thinking about better times and fulfilled ambitions until every current player is paid off, transferred and gone, WIlder isn't our manager any more and the soft-headed shower of deluded individuals have flogged us to someone with real money. And we all know, that isn't ever going to happen. We don't get that kind of fortune. Look at the hope and expectation when HRH came in on 5% with McCabe and then when he ousted him and took the lot. We were all imagining big purchases and us shooting upwards or even staying in the PL. But what happened?

We may as well dig in and plan for survival with our priority and objective set as not to be relegated, especially with a mediocre, underperforming squad and a manager who is just patching up leaks in the hull.
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Fair post

But please don’t include Hecky in this - they should build a statue of him imo
 
The Crab said:
Bit like blaming Don Givens whereas John Matthews gets a free pass even though he should have taken the penalty
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spot on never forgiven mathews for 'disapearing' behind a cluster of players when that spot kick was awarded he was our penalty taker that season at least givens had the balls to step up to the plate
 
Says on wiki
Givens stepped up when no other Sheffield United player wanted to take the penalty.
Fair fucks to him ......
Just before my time but interesting none the less
 



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