Wilder is Adkins mark 2

[CornwallBlade]

Take it you listened to nothing he said?

He said it wasn't good enough before him and it wasn't good enough with him. And yes he's not wrong, the lack of leadership has been telling. The remainder of the season doesn't matter and next season half of these players won't (shouldn't) be here, so again doesn't matter about lambasting them.

Oh, come on. It’s classic Wilder - not good enough this, that and the rest of it. Its your sodding job to sort it it out chum but no, let’s bury everyone when it goes wrong but it’s all down to me if it’s working.
If he’s still here in the summer we’re f**ked

 

[wak1889]

I class myself as a mild mannered person, happy to listen to different opinions…..but to compare Wilder to Adkins is UTTER BOLLOCKS

Unless of course you are comparing their respective records,

 

[reedy63]

What a load of Bollock, we would have never got of league one with Atkins for a start.

 

[Gannon's perm]

Your back again after a loss.

The post is utter bollocks. But if he only came on after a loss, he'd be here permanently

 

[Yoonited]

How many managers would survive this shit show I’ll tell you none but the the truth is we’re stuck with him and the Arab

"The Arab"

 

[Blademan89]

Oh, come on. It’s classic Wilder - not good enough this, that and the rest of it. Its your sodding job to sort it it out chum but no, let’s bury everyone when it goes wrong but it’s all down to me if it’s working.
If he’s still here in the summer we’re f**ked

Yeah he talks a good game, he always has done but he did say its not been good enough under him, yes he's not taking 100% blame and he shouldn't but he has to take some of it.

Well you better buckle up because he is here for next season, have we not just brought in another one of his backroom staff he had before? Who followed him to boro and Watford (analytics).

 

[mattbianco1]

So that makes him exempt from making us the laughing stock of football

Guardiola and Klopp couldn't have kept this team up

 

[mattbianco1]

ThE aRAb.

"The Arab"

I know right. Lovely bit of casual racism on a Sunday evening

 

[Bell4]

Guardiola and Klopp couldn't have kept this team up

Yup

Wouldn’t it be great though to see them try .

 

[mattbianco1]

Yup

Wouldn’t it be great though to see them try .

If Klopp was in charge i'd be torn whether I wanted us to do well, or see him fail miserably

 

[Balti Pie]

Adkins: "endeavour"
Wilder: "narrative"


Oh, and Hecky: "listen...."

 

[1987]

Oh, come on. It’s classic Wilder - not good enough this, that and the rest of it. Its your sodding job to sort it it out chum but no, let’s bury everyone when it goes wrong but it’s all down to me if it’s working.
If he’s still here in the summer we’re f**ked

I think you're just working from how you saw Wilder at the end of his last tenure.

He said what needed to be said, lack of leadership has been a big problem for us. There are clearly some characters at the club who don't care about it, and he's putting them and us on notice. Totally fine with it, I don't mind it.

He speaks pretty clearly about how it's not been good enough under both regimes, which is also correct. We've definitely been more threatening under CW, but we haven't come close to solving the defensive issues, maybe the off season will do that.

I think whatever you say this time around, he's been very mindful of a fragile bunch of players, even when he's been given many, many opportunities to have a whinge.

 

[Bladesman]

I think Wilder is one of those managers that had a good spell for a period of time sometimes with more than 1 club but then runs out of ideas.

See what happens this summer with a clear out but the fact he did nowt at Boro is a worry as he should have done more there. I don't think Watford is a good reflection of any manager as they are a basketcase club and I think Wilder knew he would get the boot and took the money.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Both did really well in league 1 , Adkins took Southampton to back to back promotions from league 1 to prem then got sacked for an indeferent start , wilder took us up from league 1 to prem albeit in 3 seasons, eventually got the sack and both of their careers have nosedived since , 1 gets absolutely hammered on here 1 supports United

Adkins got hammered for being deluded.
He was constantly upbeat and positive, whilst ignoring all the negatives.
In the early days I used to enjoy his upbeat interviews.
However after some disgraceful performances he was still always upbeat and always seemed happy.
The penny dropped that he was like a politician....a total liar.

Wilder is very different, at least he's honest, you can see he genuinely cares. Also he deserves massive respect.
Taking a club from bottom of league 1 (when we were dead and buried) to 6th in the Premier League with some of the same players is a miracle. It's the best achievement I've seen in my 50 years, only exceeded by Brian Clough taking a Championship side to winning the Champions League twice.

Find it weird how one of the greatest managers in our entire history receives so much hate from supposed Blades.
It was similar with Warnock. I suppose it's the build them up...knock them down mentality.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I think Wilder is one of those managers that had a good spell for a period of time sometimes with more than 1 club but then runs out of ideas.

See what happens this summer with a clear out but the fact he did nowt at Boro is a worry as he should have done more there. I don't think Watford is a good reflection of any manager as they are a basketcase club and I think Wilder knew he would get the boot and took the money.

He was initially really good at Boro playing good attacking football.
It all went pear shaped after there were rumours that he was leaving Boro and going to Burnley.
He refused to deny the rumours, inferring there was truth in them. Boro went into a downward spiral after those rumours.

 

[alcoblade]

Oh, come on. It’s classic Wilder - not good enough this, that and the rest of it. Its your sodding job to sort it it out chum but no, let’s bury everyone when it goes wrong but it’s all down to me if it’s working.
If he’s still here in the summer we’re f**ked

So, you think the players are good enough, and somewhere out there there’s a manager who’d have kept us up this year? Really?

 

[Gimli]

70% board, 25% players 5% managers.

Players need to shoulder a good proportion of the blame, some of the goals conceded are that from defending /goalkeeping you'd expect to see on a Sunday morning, not by a "professional" coupled with their mentality.

Small proportion on the managers for the way they set us up and some bizarre substitutions.

And as 99% will agree and say biggest proportion lies at the feet of the worst owner of a premier league club, admitting defeat before a ball was kicked, getting rid of our best players trying to do a Norwich end ended up doing a Derby.

Yep.

Board set us up for failure in the summer.
Players haven’t shown the bollocks to keep fighting in games.
Managers Hecky and Wilder have made some poor and at some times baffling decisions whether personnel, subs or tactics.

The main proportion has to lie with the board, it was laughable how weak our squad was, like going into a gun fight with a plastic spoon.

 

[Bladesman]

He was initially really good at Boro playing good attacking football.
It all went pear shaped after there were rumours that he was leaving Boro and going to Burnley.
He refused to deny the rumours, inferring there was truth in them. Boro went into a downward spiral after those rumours.

Things like that count against him, you could tell at the time that disrupted Boro.

 

[CornwallBlade]

So, you think the players are good enough, and somewhere out there there’s a manager who’d have kept us up this year? Really?

Nope, just that there were plenty of us who didn’t want him back because of his record of lashing out when under pressure. I didn’t think we had much of a chance of staying up but I do expect a degree of humility from the manager. He spouts the same old tosh from the Ron the manger handbook but then blames his players when it doesn’t work. All the while making the same basic tactical errors like bringing Norwood on t0 ensure we ship goals in the last 20 minutes.
He should be moved on and a modern manager given time to build a team. I really don't care if we stay in the Championship for 3 seasons just so long as we play with style that gives us a fighting chance when we do go up.
And before anyone comes back with the “he took us to 9th”. That was a fluke, pure and simple. He’s been found wanting at every step since.

 

[Bell4]

Adkins: "endeavour"
Wilder: "narrative"


Oh, and Hecky: "listen...."

Prince “Dozy”

 

[Rodley]

A very silly OP.

 

[wak1889]

I must have missed Adkins getting this club promoted from league one and the championship, and finishing 9th in the premier league, within the space of 4 years.

What a stupid post.

He didn't get this club promoted but he got Southampton promoted from league 1 to premier League 1 season faster than wilder, did , and prior to that had promotions under his belt at Scunthorpe from league 1, so all in all a very very similar CV to wilder , and both done nothing since, and most Southampton and Scunthorpe fans think Adkins was great for them in a similar way that lots of blades think wilder was great for us , but the clubs he wasn't successful at like united think he was shit , a bit like Watford and Boro fans think of wilder , strange isn't it that clubs supporters have different opinions of managers depending on whether or not they were successful at their particular club and tend to look with nostalgia on bygone times rather than what's staring them in the face

 

[wak1889]

I mean one did it with US.
you want us to praise Adnkins because he was good somewhere else?
That's hillarious even for a Wilder basher.

No I'm saying that both have had the pinnacle of their careers and now on downward trajectories with no real evidence of halting the slide ,but the problem is 1 gets hammered for it the other supports United

 

[Tezza1889]

No I'm saying that both have had the pinnacle of their careers and now on downward trajectories with no real evidence of halting the slide ,but the problem is 1 gets hammered for it the other supports United

Wait till we fucking smash the pigs again next season....wonder how you'll feel about Wilder then...

You probably won't be happy ..ahem..

 

[alcoblade]

Nope, just that there were plenty of us who didn’t want him back because of his record of lashing out when under pressure. I didn’t think we had much of a chance of staying up but I do expect a degree of humility from the manager. He spouts the same old tosh from the Ron the manger handbook but then blames his players when it doesn’t work. All the while making the same basic tactical errors like bringing Norwood on t0 ensure we ship goals in the last 20 minutes.
He should be moved on and a modern manager given time to build a team. I really don't care if we stay in the Championship for 3 seasons just so long as we play with style that gives us a fighting chance when we do go up.
And before anyone comes back with the “he took us to 9th”. That was a fluke, pure and simple. He’s been found wanting at every step since.

I’m not interested in what managers say - it’s all guff. We won’t get anyone with a better track record, though I accept the last few years have removed the gloss,

 

[Bl4desutd]

Unless of course you are comparing their respective records,

Now you really are talking COMPLETE UTTER BOLLOCKS……..Can’t remember Adkins managing us in the Premier League or gaining 2 promotions with us

 

[Bl4desutd]

So that makes him exempt from making us the laughing stock of football

He’s not the reason we’re a laughing stock….its HRH and his gang

 

[Bl4desutd]

I know right. Lovely bit of casual racism on a Sunday evening

Why is it that if you call someone who is from Saudi Arabia an Arab it’s racist?
I’m from Britain and find no offence to someone calling me a Brit.
The world has gone fookin mad

 

[Nagima]

I’m not interested in what managers say - it’s all guff. We won’t get anyone with a better track record, though I accept the last few years have removed the gloss,

What a manager says in an interview does matter. Particularly if he diverts all blame to others. There has to be a bit of shared responsibility here. The transfer policy and signings Mitchell and the Prince. Hecky for what appears to me was accepting his fate. We
bought shit and don't have a hope, morale is low.
Low Energy there. Wilder for picking Grbic. Not improving our defensive shape. Bringing on Norwood. He gets credit for Arblaster.

The players. Its a sad season when Jack Robinson has been one of our better players.
Players giving up and not sticking together.
Now to wrap it all up. Wilder in his interviews has blamed players for performances and not sticking to the plan etc. Seeing as he is in the hot seat since December he needs to put his hand up too and say yeah I got that wrong. The real danger for us is Wilder pissing off some of the players we might want to keep. It's difficult to think he will get us promoted again.

 

[derbysufc]

Both did really well in league 1 , Adkins took Southampton to back to back promotions from league 1 to prem then got sacked for an indeferent start , wilder took us up from league 1 to prem albeit in 3 seasons, eventually got the sack and both of their careers have nosedived since , 1 gets absolutely hammered on here 1 supports United

You seriously are taking the piss